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High Point University poll shows Obama would lose

Wednesday, February 15, 2012
(Updated 7:34 am)

HIGH POINT — A poll conducted by High Point University found that President Barack Obama would have lost the state by 5 percentage points, 47-42, to an unnamed Republican opponent if the presidential election had been held earlier this month.

The poll also found that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney led his Republican challengers Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Ron Paul in the state's Republican primary.

Thirty percent of registered voters in the survey said they would vote for Romney, 19 percent would vote for Gingrich, 13 percent for Santorum and 11 percent for Paul. Twenty-six percent were undecided or didn't answer.

Read more at Journalnow.com.

Accompanying Photos

Pablo Martinez Monsivais (Associated Press)

Photo Caption: President Barack Obama speaks at the White House on Tuesday.

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nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 7:42 am EST

Wow. Who knew that many North Carolinians don't want health care coverage, or for people like Mitt Romney to pay no federal taxes at all?

Guilfresident

February 15, 2012 - 8:26 am EST

Get the facts right. Mitt paid regular taxes on his income. Now he is paying on what he withdraws which is a 15% rate.

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 8:32 am EST

The facts are that the Republican candidates are proposing to completely eliminate capital gains taxes. Mitt makes nearly all of his money through capital gains (other than a mere pittance via speaking fees) so if he and the Republicans were elected, he'd stop having to pay federal taxes. THAT is a fact that is straight.

They also plan to repeal the health care reform that would do away with health care coverage for millions of people, myself (being a cancer survivor) included. My facts are straight. Deal with it.

beachrat

February 15, 2012 - 8:44 am EST

ok fair enough.

However your beloved Democracts talk about taxing the rich more to offset the costs to the middle class. But if they are so conserned about your taxes then why is this tax on the wealthy not tax nuetral to the middle class. I dont hear them asking congress to reduce the tax rate to the middle class. It is suppose to be about reducing the burden not collecting more taxes!!!

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 8:53 am EST

I'm not overly fond of Democrats, personally. They've betrayed the working people too many times over the past couple of decades. My PREFERENCE would be to see a truly liberal party rise to replace the Democrats... and a truly conservative party come up to replace the Republicans. Sadly, you need money for that sort of thing and only the wealthiest 1% control the funds needed for that. Guess how likely any of THEM are likely to allow that to happen.

beachrat

February 15, 2012 - 9:21 am EST

you can't blame them for wanting to hold onto control of our govt. Its the people who hold the power not a select few. This is the problem in my opinion we need to stop blaming 1% for the 99%'s incompetency to make educated decisions when voting. If we the people decided collectively to shut down all work for 2 hrs in protest of the govts BS, that is a powerful statement that could not be ignored. Think of the impact that would make to financials, construction and everyday deals. This occupy garbage wont work because there is no cost to anyone only talking and camping in parks.

I.e Netflix- went from big business to almost out of business with CEO apoligy. Bank of America dropping debit card fee, their decisions caused effects that their businesses could not afford.

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 9:33 am EST

If I thought the PEOPLE were intelligent, critically-thinking, and well-informed, I would agree that they have the ultimate say in what goes on in the country. However, that is not the case. Political ads are a great indicator of this. Negative ads, efforts to stir up hatred or fear in voters, are the main tool of electioneering. This indicates that no politician respects voters' mental acuity. Politicians only care about what the people think when they need votes. And when they need votes, what do they do? They STEER the voting public like a herd of cattle, using cash from the people with the real power.

If the people of this country were to try and demand meaningful changes to the way government does business, there would be real trouble here, probably worse than what is going on in Greece. But I expect the likelihood of that happening is pretty small, considering how much critical thought one sees in the world around us, don't you?

beachrat

February 15, 2012 - 11:03 am EST

I see your point. But, so are you saying that we as a people of this country should consider the fact that we are unwilling to educate ourselves and accept our fate? Because that is depressing!

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 1:03 pm EST

I feel depressed every time I see a negative ad, or every time I see a news show playing a clip of a "spinmiester" at work. Taken as a whole, the voting public has displayed no discernible sign of intelligence during my nearly 60 years of life. Should we accept this status quo? No way. But how we should go about correcting this problem, THAT's a Gordian Knot of epic proportion.

madisonman

February 15, 2012 - 7:52 am EST

Hoping that Emperor Obama is dethroned in November.

buzzman

February 15, 2012 - 9:06 am EST

It's amazing how many folks think Obama is doing a good job. The job he's doing is destroying this country.
The Republican candidates need to stop beating up on each other and start telling us how they will fix the mess that we're in.
If you think the economy is bad now, wait until gasoline hits $4.50 - 5.00

snapandwhistle

February 15, 2012 - 10:13 am EST

The problem is not just Obama. The problem is that the centrist majority has felt the need to appeal to the far left and far right factions of their parties. The most successful periods in our country have been those when our Congress has been willing to negotiate and compromise. I disagree with what nemo said earlier in the discussion. We don't need new conservative and new liberal parties. We need the moderates to rise up and create their own party.

Obama came in and thought he was going to be the great mediator; negotiating and compromising with the republicans. All he did was let them step all over him. Our nation's current predicament is the result of bone-headed republicans' one-track agenda of making Obama fail, and Obama's inability to respond to that at the beginning of his presidency. Our only hope was John Huntsman, and the negative republican elite took care of him.

bbzeus14

February 15, 2012 - 9:16 am EST

And then there are recent national polls that show:

CBS News/ NY Times -- Obama 48, Romney 42; Rasmussen Tracking -- Obama 49, Romney 42; PPP(D) -- Obama 49, Romney 42; PEW Research -- Obama 52, Romney 44; and FOX News -- Obama 47, Romney 42.

Suggesting that it's just taking a little more time for some North Carolinians to "catch-up." Or something like that.

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 9:23 am EST

Myself, I think it's way too early to determine what November will look like. The conventions and at least 4 months of actual campaigns/debates are still on tap. An there's no telling what will happen in that time on the world stage and in the economy. I know that based on what I know today, I'll vote for Obama as the least harmful of the top candidates. But that might change, for all I know, between now and November.

beachrat

February 15, 2012 - 9:28 am EST

Considering that NC has picked the last 5-6 presidents including Obama, in past elections suggest to me that perhaps we are leading the way not catching up! But what do I know, I'm still picking tobacco and making furniture, Yee Haw.

Traveler

February 15, 2012 - 9:25 am EST

Obama inherited a mess.

His policies have done little to make the economic situation better.

His constantly attacking those who disagree with his policies at "fat cats" and other name calling, is not the action of a leader.

He has surrounded himself with people with little business experience or success.

His appointees have initated regulation after regulation, which have caused businesses to fail, or struggle to succeed.

The current shortage of vital cancer medications is in part his responsibility.

The current polarization of government is in large part his responsibility.

He believes himself to be among the four best president, ever.

Over and over he proposed increasing taxes, increasing the size of the federal government, and taking away the powers and responsibilities of local government.

Obama is in over his head, and must be replaced before this great nation can return to prosperity.

tuffi

February 15, 2012 - 11:14 am EST

The Democratic controlled Congress and Senate that took over in 2007 (Obama was a part of this) were responsible for the great "mess" that Obama inherited. Obama is in over his head. He has never run a real business or done anything to give him preparation to run the USA. He is an excellent orator and that alone made him electable.He is a huge mistake. The Czar's need to go as well.

The_Doctor

February 15, 2012 - 10:15 am EST

Vote for Richard Nixon this fall. At least he's dead and can't do any more harm, unlike the living candidates.

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 10:32 am EST

ROFL! I'd vote for a dead president, normally, only then I'd be worried that his cabinet officers might NOT be similarly dead, and end up fouling things up anyway!

beachrat

February 15, 2012 - 11:13 am EST

Maybe not Nixon, but Ronald Reagon for sure. He scared the crap out of everyone!! The only thing that registers with the extremists is to be more extreme in your handling of it. And what better way to show our craziness than elect a dead president. You just prop him up in front of podium and after 5 mins of silence, the news reporters will start writing their stories, It's genius !

nemo0037

February 15, 2012 - 1:04 pm EST

Ah -- another fan of Lewis Black I see. LOL!

arnie

February 15, 2012 - 11:11 am EST

That same University 4 years ago put out a poll that reported results of Mcain winning hands down.

When are people ever going to get it. Obama is not the problem here. He can only suggest legislation. There are, including him, 543 members of the Senate and Hosue who do all the voting, and taxing, and spending, and lying, and the list goes on. The US is the only country I know where a politicain creates a problem, then campaigns to fix it!
And nobody, and I mean NOBODY on the Hill ever takes blame for anything! I quite frankly am sick and tired of it. There are allot better places to live in this world than the US. And our Government knows this as the number of expats moving from the US have tripled in 5 years.

Traveler

February 15, 2012 - 11:26 am EST

I disagree that the only thing Obama can do is propose legislation.

What Obama and his administration have done is to impliment regulation after regulation that has hurt business and cost jobs. These are regulations that Obama and his appointed officials have created on their own, no imput from Congress.

An example is regulations that were intended to make the medications we take safer. As I understand, the old regulations created a manucaturing environment that was 99% safe. The new regulations were estimated to make the medical manufaturing environment 99.5% safe. What it did was create millions of dollars of additional cost, and opened the manufacturers to additional lawsuites. As a result several companies stopped manufacturing some drugs. Those drugs were very expensive, fought special forms of cancer, and had a relatively small market (thank God). Now hospitals and doctors are almost out of many specialty drugs, and prices on the secondary market have doubled or more.

Excessive regulation is one of the four big failures of Obama.

It's all on Obama, just his regulators doing what he says. No imput from Congress.

arnie

February 15, 2012 - 12:01 pm EST

Having sid that lets go back to Bush. After 911 he used his administration in this current economic recession to create jobs. In 2002 there were was one person in the DOT who made over $150,000 a year. Today there are 1,850. In 2003 there were 1,625 people in the defense department making over $125,000 a year. Today? 10, 300. And the patriot act made all of this possible.Look at the TSA. Immigration, Customs. They all created jobs in a recession. From 2001-2011 the private sector created 1.5% job growth. Our Government? 15%+. The problem with that is that most of those people make up the voting electorate. So if we have let's say 30,000 new employees you basically have 60,000 more electoral votes. Why because they will have a spouse or friend who will vote the way they do. Do you think that they will vote "change" to lose their jobs?

The point is, it no longer matters who our figure head is. The control and manipultion and lies are spread among everyone on the hill. If it were not such a good job why do we have people staying 30, 40, years. They do liitle work, get rich from lobbyyists, get the best health care in the world, the best pensionsm vote themselves raises, then blame the other party. This has been going on for over 50 years now and getting worse. Party affiliation has very very little impact on decision making anymore. Whether it is drug manufacturing, or banking. We are are at the mercy of those people, and we will continue to be. If you do not believe it you are living in a fantasy land. Government is not getting bigger it is getting ENORMOUS. And we, the average American taxpayer, are the ones suffering. So the argument that Bush, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, created a problem is just not true. It is the degradation and corruptness of our Government .

Traveler

February 15, 2012 - 12:13 pm EST

I agree that Bush was a very bad president.

Those who believe that all Obama can do is "propose legislation" are totally wrong.

What Obama and his regulations and regulators have done has hurt this country and cost jobs.

infolit

February 15, 2012 - 1:45 pm EST

The extreme right wing is the problem here folks. Their ideological screaming has pushed mainstream debate to the extreme edge of the electorate. This is not healthy for a democracy. I'm sorry but anyone advocating for creationism to be taught in the public schools in addition to promoting bigotry against gays and minorities cannot be given serious consideration. Most of the tea party ideologues running for office don't even have college degrees. How are we expected to have intelligent discourse on serious issues with these types of people running the show?

The_Doctor

February 15, 2012 - 3:46 pm EST

You're half right. But you forgot the extreme Leftwingers. They're just as bad as the extreme Rightwingers. Extremists rarely have the answers, if ever. We need reasonable people in the mainstream Right and Left to get extremists under control.

drewwes01

February 15, 2012 - 5:03 pm EST

"The extreme right wing is the problem here folks. Their ideological screaming has pushed mainstream debate to the extreme edge of the electorate. This is not healthy for a democracy. I'm sorry but anyone advocating for creationism to be taught in the public schools in addition to promoting bigotry against gays and minorities cannot be given serious consideration. Most of the tea party ideologues running for office don't even have college degrees. How are we expected to have intelligent discourse on serious issues with these types of people running the show?"

It's just the rightwing extremists, right? They've pushed the debate to the extreme edge. That's why the federal government is bigger than ever and we are approaching $16 trillion in national debt because of run away federal spending. That's why the federal government is now telling religiously affiliated employers what to do. That's why there is never serious debate about entitlement reform to insure the country doesn't go off the financial cliff in the not-so-distant future.

How could anyone claim that rightwing extremists have pushed the debate to the fringe? No one can deny that the United States is a much more liberal country today that it was 50 years ago, 20 years ago, even 5 years ago.

And who are you to determine what is and what is not "healthy for democracy"? I suppose view points varying from your own pose a threat to democracy.

Who is promoting bigotry against gays and minorities? I suppose you think opposition to same-sex marriage = bigotry, and opposition to affirmative action = bigotry. That smacks of liberal absolutism where opposition to a view point is automatically labeled as racist, bigotry, homophobic, yada yada yada...

And most tea party folks running for office do not have college degrees? Document that please.

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