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Council opposes marriage amendment

Wednesday, February 8, 2012

— After more than an hour of passionate testimony from faith leaders, lesbian moms, students and other advocates, City Council members voted to oppose a proposed state marriage amendment.

Council members said the issue is about equality.

“Allowing Amendment One to go unchallenged is equal to us sitting by while a segment of our population is marginalized by our legislature,” Councilwoman Nancy Vaughan said.

Councilwoman Trudy Wade was the lone vote against the resolution.

Councilwoman T. Dianne Bellamy-Small’s vote was technically registered as a yes, although she refused to vote on the issue. Bellamy-Small, like Wade, said it should be up to voters to decide whether to support the amendment.

The amendment would change the state constitution to ensure that marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic union the state can recognize. State law already prohibits same-sex unions. Legal experts have said the amendment would go further than that, including preventing cities like Greensboro from offering benefits to homosexual partners of employees.

Wade asked council members to delay considering the discussion for two weeks to give the city time to hold a public hearing. They turned her down.

The council still heard from 20 speakers on the issue.

Opponents argued that the amendment would enshrine discrimination in the constitution.

“To me, to say you are for Amendment One is to say I am not equal to the other citizens in Greensboro,” said Amber Alexander, who attended the meeting with her partner, Regina, and their 2-year old daughter, Emery.

Proponents of the amendment disagreed.

“It doesn’t have anything to do with discrimination or not wanting her to stay here in the city. It’s to uphold the integrity and foundation of our society: marriage between one man and one woman,” resident Joanne Wittenborn said.

The majority of the speakers were against the state amendment.

“Gay people, for the past 100 years, have been trying to be accepted by the wider culture,” said the Rev. Randall Kenney of St. Barnabas Episcopal Church. “They have worked. They have contributed to our society and many times they have been pushed in the dark. They refuse to sit there anymore.”

Some council members agreed with opponents, who said the amendment could have broad repercussions.

Councilwoman Yvonne Johnson said it goes beyond the definition of marriage and could interfere with child custody issues, end-of-life decisions and domestic violence prosecution.

Other council members framed the issue as one about discrimination.

“I can take a stand in support of our resolution and against this amendment because my life has been blessed by touching a lot of other folks that just happened to be different from me,” Mayor Robbie Perkins said.

“The richness and strength of our diversity makes us a much better community and a much better state.”

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Lynn Hey (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Anthony Stewart (foreground) listens Sept. 12 as Rabbi Fred Guttman of Temple Emanuel addresses the crowd in Greensboro during a gathering of opponents of the amendment. 

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bottechia

February 8, 2012 - 1:00 am EST

So the council must be worried about how the citizens of NC would vote yes for the marriage amendment.
So to all Greensboro citizens dont waste your time casting a vote the coucil has decided for all of us.

Panacea

February 8, 2012 - 10:58 am EST

Nonsense. This is more about the benefits the council currently extends to domestic partners, benefits which will go away with the amendment passes. That could cost the city valuable employees who may decide to leave if they lose their benefits.

rmacz

February 8, 2012 - 2:40 pm EST

Let them leave.

Panacea

February 8, 2012 - 7:07 pm EST

You're such a nice guy /sarcasm.

I doubt the city wants to see its civil service disrupted. It costs a lot of money to replace an employee.

whatamessumade

February 9, 2012 - 10:16 am EST

Our Lawmakers say this will NOT be a problem. Your hysteria is a made up selling point to try and get what you want. This issue has been dealt with before. 30 States already have constitutional amendments banning legal recognition of same-sex unions. We are not breaking new ground here.

Panacea

February 9, 2012 - 3:12 pm EST

That doesn't make it right, nor does it mean North Carolina should embrace it.

At one point in time many things that are now legal, were illegal . . . such as women voting.

Pointing out why the city is opposing this amendment is not hysteria (nice try on the ad hominem attack, but major fail on your part).

whatamessumade

February 9, 2012 - 4:14 pm EST

But unlike voting rights, the trend is moving towards constitutional amendment bans to stop activist judges. (California being a prime example) And that does make it right, and 70% of North Carolina will embrace it.

Panacea

February 9, 2012 - 9:35 pm EST

Activist judges is a label for judges who make rulings the other party doesn't like.

North Carolina may pass this amendment, but it won't be by a landslide. It'll be narrowly decided, just like Prop 8 was in California.

whatamessumade

February 10, 2012 - 10:20 pm EST

And that’s a catch phrase for people who like Judges to legislate from the bench.

retiree

February 8, 2012 - 4:49 pm EST

Those benefits won't go away if the amendment passes. The City can provide benefits to their employees and the partners of employees whether they are married or are cohabitating as a couple . . .even if there is no legal "union" for their arrangement. This is just another example of scare tactics.

Panacea

February 8, 2012 - 7:07 pm EST

If the city thought that were true, they wouldn't be making a statement on this.

whatamessumade

February 9, 2012 - 12:05 pm EST

There are many political reasons to make this statement. And they probably made it for a number of them.

Panacea

February 9, 2012 - 3:13 pm EST

They have every right to make a statement if they believe it in the best interests of the city. In fact, it's their job.

whatamessumade

February 9, 2012 - 4:15 pm EST

THEY have every right, but you don’t have the right to speak for them (above at 7:07). Political posturing and that’s all. If council cared about city employees and their benefits then why haven’t they made a motion ordering the manager and attorney to find a solution for benefits when this passes? Answer- they don’t care, it’s a non-issue.

Panacea

February 9, 2012 - 9:35 pm EST

I didn't speak for them. I merely interpreted what I believe they are doing.

rightwingnemesis

February 8, 2012 - 11:04 am EST

Trudy, Trudy, Trudy.....you of all people. Surely you jest?

factsonly

February 8, 2012 - 3:28 am EST

God instituted marriage between one man and one woman, then God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. Now, if you want a State of Sodomites than put a man with a man or a woman with a woman and see how many generations they last.
There is only One God and His laws apply to All. You violate the Laws of God and you will suffer the consequences.
We should discriminate between good and bad, right and wrong, moral and immoral if we are to have law and liberty in our society.
All of your foolish talk does not make Sodomites right, it is still an abomination before GOD.

1234

February 8, 2012 - 6:19 am EST

Our liberal Mayor can't handle the FACTS...and when is local GOVCO getting into the State's business. It will be voted on the State ballot, so why are they sticking their noses where they do not need to be? The voters will speak in this issue soon!

hgals01

February 8, 2012 - 6:55 am EST

Excellent comment!!! I think people will wake up in Greensboro when it comes to mayoral and council races!!! This town and state does not want to be run by a bunch of libs!!!

forcefieldnc

February 8, 2012 - 10:27 am EST

I do.

retiree

February 8, 2012 - 4:51 pm EST

The problem is the Libs won the last election . . .even with pretend Republican Perkins. If the conservatives of this City don;t stand up, it will continue to be that way. Then again, GBO is pretty much a liberal city anyway so it's not a surprise.

RandolphBloke

February 8, 2012 - 5:05 pm EST

Have you ever lived in a liberal city? If so, I hardly thing you'd feel that Greensboro even remotely qualifies.

nemo0037

February 8, 2012 - 7:39 am EST

So God set up the "one man, one woman" marriage deal huh? Then why do we read in the Old Testament about Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon having MULTIPLE wives? Maybe THEY didn't get God's message? Or perhaps Jewish society CHANGED the definition over the course of its history, and just SAID that God told them to do it that way?

gsonc214

February 8, 2012 - 8:28 am EST

It can make for an interesting discussion but if you read the overall scripture you'll see that God never approved of any of those situations. He created one man and one woman and He doesn't change His mind. Abraham has one recorded wife that I have seen mentioned until after Sarah died, when he married again to Keturah. His adultery with Hagar is seen as the root of the Arab/Jew struggle today and God viewed it as sin. David and Solomon were living in direct sin against God, which they repented from. Nobody ever claimed that any of these people were perfect and free from sin. The Bible differs from most writings at the time in that even the faults of the "heroes" are exposed instead of just the positive things. Moses is a little more complicated in that we do not have the same level of detail. His sisters condemned his marriage to the Ethiopian woman however so it is possibly another instance of sin. I can give you several other Old Testament men (Adam, Noah, Job...) along with the writings of the New Testament to say that one man, one woman was God's intent.

As an aside, New Testament writings would not have reflected Jewish society but Christian society, as the Jewish leadership was obviously sharply in contrast with the Christian movement.

nemo0037

February 8, 2012 - 9:25 am EST

David and Solomon had multiple wives and concubines, and the religious authorities of their day allowed it. Plenty of other Hebrew figures throughout their stories found having harems "natural." As did the prophets. The point is that their society changed their definition of marriage over time, for whatever reason, and there was no declaration from any revealing prophet that stated "no, no.. you got it all WRONG!"

Regarding social changes that we see today as normal, there are several items that have been opposed using the Bible: universal suffrage, civil rights and slavery come to mind. Using the Bible to resist this change makes no real sense. If God truly doesn't want gays to marry, I'd have thought that he would have already been visiting earthquakes and brimstone on the states and nations where their marriages are legal. Haven't seen anything of that sort in the news lately, have you?

rmacz

February 8, 2012 - 9:52 am EST

Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind, and that ain't funny.
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm

nemo0037

February 8, 2012 - 10:11 am EST

Riiiiight. And there's a legend of Atlantis too... As I said, point out a god-made disaster that has befallen ANY state or nation that has allowed gays to be married.

Besides that, the story of Sodom never states that the destruction was related exclusively to gay sex. The homophobia of later theologians have layered that interpretation onto the actual story. Means less than nothing in terms of a rational reason to pass this referendum.

rmacz

February 8, 2012 - 10:30 am EST

Your premise of Atlantis is in left field (not apples and oranges). Google the meaning of Sodom (sodomy). If you can't see our society spiraling downward, even G-d can't help you.

nemo0037

February 8, 2012 - 10:42 am EST

On the contrary, Atlantis is the same quality of history as Sodom. The meaning of the word "sodomy" is rooted in bad theology, as is your stance on the matter.

rmacz

February 8, 2012 - 11:08 am EST

Then blame G-d, not me. He said it, that settles it.

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