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Reaction to arts center is mixed

Saturday, January 28, 2012
(Updated 8:09 am)

GREENSBORO — The latest effort to secure funding for a performing arts center for the Gate City has left downtown leaders surprised, confused, concerned, seeking answers and looking for direction.

“It came from out of nowhere,” Milton Kern, a downtown developer, said of the effort to put an arts center bond referendum on the November ballot. “I was not expecting it this soon.”

What’s more, the information presented so far has left some searching for more specifics.

“Clarity is needed about all of this,” Ed Wolverton, president and CEO of Downtown Greensboro Inc., said of the proposal. “This is very confusing.”

But beyond those frustrations, the possibility of building a performing arts center downtown has left center-city leaders exhilarated.

Here’s a chance, they say, to pull off a project that the city has debated for more than a decade.

“A performing arts center is a catalytic event for downtown,” said Walker Sanders, president of the Community Foundation of Greater Greensboro. “It’s a watershed opportunity for this community.”

City officials said they appreciate what’s at stake, but they also ask for a measure of public patience.

“This project didn’t exist two weeks ago,” Mayor Robbie Perkins said. “This is an evolving process. We have moved it forward more in the past two weeks than we have in the past 10 years.”

Since 2006, voters have twice turned down bond referendums to pay for replacing the aging War Memorial Auditorium at the Greensboro Coliseum Complex.

The issue came up again in mid-January, primarily because of need and because on Dec. 1, the city retired all $56.4 million in debt for coliseum complex improvements, some dating to 1991.

That month, the coliseum’s managing director Matt Brown asked city officials to consider a $36 million performing arts center to replace Memorial Auditorium. The project would be financed using $11 million in hotel/ motel taxes and $25 million in bonds.

Asked for additional details about his plan, Brown said, “It’s way too early to get that specific. We haven’t even designed it.”

At a retreat Tuesday, the City Council said it supports the need to replace Memorial Auditorium, but it wants the new performing arts center downtown, and council members want Brown to run it. But the council wasn’t yet prepared to put a referendum on the fall ballot.

The council said it wants a downtown project evaluated against the cost of one at the coliseum.

City officials estimate the cost of a coliseum performing arts center at $32 million to $43 million. The estimate for one downtown ran from $49 million to $72 million.

“I definitely challenge that conclusion,” Wolverton said. “They made an assumption that to go downtown you would have to have a 6-acre site and that you would have to buy it. They totally ignored city land that might be available.

“They made an assumption that 1,500 parking spaces would be needed, totally ignoring that there might be a site near parking where this expense is not needed.”

Interim City Manager Denise Roth said, “They were very, very rough estimates. ... The council asked for a ballpark or sense of cost, and that was what we were trying to fulfill.”

The council said downtown advocates would have to make up the difference between a downtown site and a coliseum site by raising private dollars.

Since the retreat, city officials said, a plan for getting support for a performing arts center downtown has begun to emerge.

Roth said that plan will have several parts, including an economic impact and feasibility study, an effort to raise private money, a financing plan and a series of community meetings.

“I want to make clear that this process and decision making will not happen in a vacuum,” Roth said. “The process that we are going to go through over the next few months will allow for a more thorough review.”

By the end of April or early May, Roth said, the city will have to determine if the plan will work downtown. That’s because of a June 30 deadline for submitting the referendum request to the Local Government Commission in Raleigh and the U.S. Department of Justice for approval.

Downtown leaders wonder if that allows sufficient time to do all that needs to be done to insure the referendum passes.

“It’s going to be very difficult,” Wolverton said.

Still others wonder about the timing of another bond referendum.

While the economy is improving, unemployment in Greensboro remains high at 9.3 percent, and the Guilford County Board of Commissioners is likely to raise taxes in fiscal year 2012-13.

“Timing is a big piece of it,” said Keith Holliday, CEO of the 1,100-seat Carolina Theatre downtown. “You don’t want a third strike. You don’t want a third failed bond referendum.”

Holliday said he has delayed a capital campaign to add seats at his theater because of the economy.

“It’s a big red flag,” he said.

But Perkins offered a more optimistic outlook. “I am not looking at this as something we are going to fail on,” the mayor said. “We are going to make it work.”

Asked if Brown’s coliseum concept might be an alternative, Perkins said, “I think it is going to be downtown. ... This city doesn’t need a backup plan.”

Contact Donald W. Patterson at 373-7027 or don.patterson@news-record.com  

Accompanying Photos

File photo (News & Record)

Photo Caption: A previous performance The Magic Flute by the Greensboro Opera

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DonMoore

January 28, 2012 - 7:10 am EST

Jerry Rowe's article on the Durham facility was great. I often wonder what Matt Brown could do if he was told to make a profit, like the Durham facility. Downtown would be great location. The Auditorium at the coliseum could be removed to help with parking deficits.

tuffi

January 28, 2012 - 11:15 am EST

Where wopuld you park downtown?

RandolphBloke

January 28, 2012 - 2:33 pm EST

In case you've never noticed, there are plenty of parking decks in town that are well lit.

Vernonsg

January 28, 2012 - 8:08 am EST

I agree that an Art Center would be nice, but what priority should it be when we have fellow citizens "on the street" without assistance other than begging? Shouldn't we find the excess money or put a bond issue out to assist those facilities and organizations that could help our citizens in dire need. I believe we should and why provide a facility for a small portion of our population to enjoy when we have so many in need. Lets help our neighbors.

destinys mother in law

January 28, 2012 - 8:14 am EST

Having a first class performing arts center and a first class safety net are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are complementary.

sparkeysig

January 28, 2012 - 10:01 am EST

There are already of plethora of well funded governmental and non-governmental programs out there to help the homeless or those in need with housing, food and other basic needs. Additionally the panhandlers are often times not quite as homeless as they would have you believe. They will frequently work a particular intersections in teams, these panhandling teams will often share the use of that intersection on alternating days with other panhandling teams.

As to the construction of a New Performing Arts Center, I think that Greensboro would greatly benefit from a first class performance facility. I believe however, that such a facility should be built as part of a coalition between the local theater and performance groups and the coliseum.

Traveler

January 28, 2012 - 5:16 pm EST

Your request sounds like that of a caring, sharing person. Unfortunately there are those who use caring, sharing people.

In my opinion, if we were to build a facility that housed every homeless person in Greensboro today, by sundown tomorrow, "the word" would have gotten around and many more homeless would be here to take advantage of the freebies.

Unfortunately, there are those who would rather use the generosity of others instead of working. There are jobs, not the greatest of jobs, but jobs out there for anyone who wants to work.

polaroid

January 28, 2012 - 8:28 am EST

So the debt for the Coliseum is paid off now it can finally be profitable but wait, instead of giving the taxpayers a break let's borrow some more. You know you can't raise taxes if your paying off debt which is exactly what politicians want, more power and money for their pet projects.
When do they ever say no to spending money and when do the taxpayers who voted down this project twice get what they want. This last Council election proves the taxpayers have no idea what a bond is.
Let me clue you in it's a tax, there is no free money.

NRay

January 28, 2012 - 9:18 am EST

Building a new facility is long overdue,and I'm excited that it's again a possibility. There is little about War Memorial that is not embarrassing for a city of our size. Both the exterior and interior appearances are uninspiring, nearly industrial treatments. The acoustics are horrible, the lobby and mezzanine areas are shabby and inadequate, and the concessions and dressing facilities are a joke. The last time I was there as a spectator, I was thirsty by intermissionbut was put off by the disorganized scrum around the little portable concessions tables propped up against the walls. I opted for the water fountain but, alas, it was out of order. It speaks volumes to any cultured visitor that we tolerate this building as the venue for the best offerings of our culture.

And it's not supposed to produce a "profit". What a shabby concept when discussing the display of art! A performing arts center profits all of us by making Greensboro a more civilised city. And why have a city anyway, if your group of roads and structures is that in name only? It gives us a chance to be just a bit more than the location for a concentration of sprawling strip malls down anywhere boulevards of traffic. Let's approve this long overdue facility wherever we can most affordably put it. Let's just get it done this time.

InventorNC

January 28, 2012 - 9:32 am EST

Were movie theaters built with public money? No?

I wonder why any other entertainment center needs your and my tax money. What are we missing? Should the public not pay for its entertainment like back in the days of movie theaters?

US News and World Report has rated UNCG "Third Tier." Folks, that is the bottom rating. It is worse than several thousand colleges and universities in the US. Can't get worse. What fledgling tech company wants to locate in this educational wasteland? And our politicians want entertainment? Yeah, as Greensboro becomes less and less attractive to intelligent people.

Educate first. Protect our citizens from harm. Entertain afterwards. In that order, please.

Do we wish to be Austin, Texa,s or Buffalo, New York???

God gave us brains. Let's start using them.

RandolphBloke

January 28, 2012 - 2:38 pm EST

I don't disagree with all that you say; however, I would note that many, MANY younger people and professionals steer clear of GSO because there's very little here that can compete with similarly sized cities. The population is generally not as educated, the arts/cultural scene isn't as well developed, the entertainment locally isn't as deep, etc.

So we can't totally ignore initiatives that help improve the things that younger people as well as more professional people would like to have. Not all of us are keen on driving 50-80 miles away in order to get a little mental stimulation.

(And before people pounce, I'm not saying GSO is devoid of everything, but we really aren't too competitive.)

Tall_Guy

January 28, 2012 - 10:45 pm EST

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Please go review 2012 US News and World Reports college rankings. I think you will see that UNCG is Tier 1. It is ranked #108 in Public Colleges and # 190 of ALL colleges.

Worse than several thousand schools? I'll bet the school you went to is ranked FAR lower than UNCG b/c you couldn't even research accurate stats to post here.

Traveler

January 28, 2012 - 9:49 am EST

Very simple. This is the plan by Matt Brown, Robbie, and Yvonne, to build a new Performing Arts Center at the coliseum.

Voters have twice turned down bonds for a new or refurbished facility at the coliseum.

By talking about having the facility downtown, supporters of downtown will help turn out the vote. I know that several volunteers have signed on during the past week. These are good people who can influence several hundred, if not several thousand votes.

Now, here is the tricky part.

The downtown cost is estimated to be around $20,000,000 more than the cost to build at the coliseum. Robbie has stated that the additional money must come from private funds. It will be hard for downtown leaders to raise $20,000,000.

At the retreat, Robbie asked the question, and was assured that the bond issue would be worded so that the PAC could be built at the coliseum, if the downtown locations "didn't work out".

Used car salesmen used this tactic, "bait and switch".

It's Matt Brown, Robbie, and Yvonne planning to get enough votes to pass a bond issue that will result in a new PAC at the coliseum. It's a trick. Simple as that.

Panacea

January 28, 2012 - 10:37 am EST

Much like the swim center being put in a P&R bond, then moved over to guess where? The coliseum.

Good catch, Traveler.

Let's not get fooled again by Matt Brown's ambitions.

Copper1

January 28, 2012 - 5:53 pm EST

You are correct, Traveler.....the dye is cast in stone....the performing arts center will be built no matter the cost. All thanks to Matt Brown the lovable and almost superhuman greaser, cheap version of Fonzie. This guy should have been canned years ago along with many others at the white elephant.

rooster8786

January 28, 2012 - 10:44 am EST

“This project didn’t exist two weeks ago,” Mayor Robbie Perkins said. “This is an evolving process. We have moved it forward more in the past two weeks than we have in the past 10 years.”
Please, please, PLEASE, read that statement carefully! If you do you will see Robbie Perkins talking out both ends. It didn't exist 2 weeks ago, yet they moved it forward more in 2 weeks than the previous 10 years. Which is it Robbie, 2 weeks or 10 years? Also, if it didn't exist 2 weeks ago, why have the voters turned down TWO bond referendums in the recent past. Robbie, while seemingly polished, has yet to master talking out both ends of his ____. You the voter can fill in the blank...

1234

January 28, 2012 - 4:56 pm EST

Lets recall this spender!

honestcitizen

January 28, 2012 - 11:24 am EST

This council is all about spending, let the ones that want this Performing art center pay for it,. This not the time
for another bond issue, the taxpayers are paying enough already.

goodtoknow

January 28, 2012 - 11:31 am EST

I come from an area in upstate NY which is much like Buffalo, NY. The city turned an old movie theater like the Carolina Theater into a performing Arts Theater downtown. They get 1st. class entertainment in that middle of no where city. I say middle of no where because that's how I have heard it described. Stars like Tony Bennett have most recently come there to perform. It can happen at the Carolina Theater if they just made improvements.

goodtoknow

January 28, 2012 - 11:40 am EST

Just checked...A Tony Award winning Broadway musical is playing in that theater now. This theater, like the Carolina Theater, I went to watch movies as a kid. It CAN happen at the Carolina Theater rather than showing old movies.

rooster8786

January 28, 2012 - 12:29 pm EST

Isn't former mayor Holliday the President of Carolina Theater? Why haven't we heard from him on this subject? Seems to me, he should have some "input" and insight on this issue...

newtogso

January 28, 2012 - 11:24 pm EST

He has chimed in. Search Fox 8 and 99blocksmagazine.com.

versailles

January 28, 2012 - 12:09 pm EST

Just forget about a 'performing arts center' in Greensboro, if you want some culture just drive over to Winston-Salem.

Tall_Guy

January 28, 2012 - 10:36 pm EST

I live in Greensboro for a reason...b/c Winston sucks. Culture? Ok.

Dogwood

January 28, 2012 - 8:46 pm EST

I believe a modern downtown theater would be successful. Greensboro residents have always been strong theater supporters especially enjoying the Aycock, Taylor and Robinson theaters. We are blest with strong colleges and universities.
Matt Brown was a guest on one of the cable channel 8 programs the other night (Bellamy-Small suggested he appear on this community program) and he spoke of the importance of quickly putting the bond on this November ballot. College students can probably help pass this bond and maybe they will stay in town, find good jobs. enjoy performances and help pay the arts center off.
Matt said it will take three years to design and build this center and he wants to start quickly. ?Too quickly.
Why not find a sponsor that wants the naming rights first, raise some private money second and then ask the people to support a clear plan in a year or two when the economy is not in the cellar.

Traveler

January 28, 2012 - 8:56 pm EST

I agree that a Performing Arts Center downtown would be good for downtown Greensboro.

Trouble is, there will never be a Performing Arts Center built downtown.

This is a trick by Matt Brown, Robbie, Yvonne, et al to get enough supporters to pass the bonds. Then, when the downtown leaders can't come up with the $20,000,000 in private funding for the difference in cost, the facility will be built at the coliseum.

citywatcher

January 28, 2012 - 9:21 pm EST

I think its a bait and switch scheme. A few city leaders thought up a scheme to get downtown advocates hopes up and vote for the bond only to find out later the private money won't be available so it will end up at the coliseum. There are some red flags here like the inflated cost estimates of putting it downtown. There are at least two big sites near parking decks. The city owns one of those sites (no need to purchase land). Another site is owned by the Weaver Foundation (which was land banked for development). So its a stretch to believe its going to cost an additional $20 to $30 million to put it downtown. Even if the city had to purchase land and build another deck, I doubt very seriously its going to add up to $30 million. The land purchase and construction of the ballpark didn't cost that much. All other infrastructure is already in place. Somebody is scheming here. Remember confusion is a sign of deception. While I supported the Aquatic Center, the way it was put in the Parks & Rec bond was wrong and it was done on purpose to trick the voters. Just a warning to the tax payers. This PAC is going to find its way at the coliseum some how if voters approve the bonds.

newtogso

January 28, 2012 - 11:28 pm EST

I fully understand the skepticism about this ending up downtown and about Matt Brown's intentions. Our local politics have a bad legacy of not being honest and upfront about these sorts of things so we are always looking behind the current. I dare say that I do believe this time is different. I'm hopeful it will be on in November, but I'm also okay if it's not until next year. We need to take the time to make sure it's right. Mayor Perkins gets the downtown rationale and we can choose to doubt intentions and expect failure or get behind a good idea and push as hard as we can for its success.

Traveler

January 29, 2012 - 1:26 am EST

If you are so sure Robbie and that group are "telling the truth" this time, why did Robbie make sure the bond issue would be phrased so that the Performing Arts Center would be built at the coliseum if the downtown site "didn't work out"?

If they were being honest, the proposed bond would state that the PAC would be built downtown, and that if things "didn't work out", the bonds would not be issued and the facility would not be built.

Kind of like telling a girl that you are interested in marriage so that she will have sex with you, then telling her that you're "not ready" for marriage the next day.

goodtoknow

January 29, 2012 - 9:11 am EST

I believe you're right on Traveler. An earlier post mentioned that the college students could get behind this. Well, in my opinion the college students got behind the 640 million dollar school bonds and this last election that got Robbie and Yvonne elected.

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