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School board uneasy with principals' short tenure

Friday, January 20, 2012

— Blame district leadership, poor hiring practices or a stronger economy. Whatever the cause, principal turnover in Guilford County Schools was once alarming.

Sixty-one percent of principals led their schools for a year or less from 2006 to 2008, according to district figures.

Less than 1 in 3 principals worked at the same school for at least three years during that time.

The numbers have improved since then, but school officials worry that too many principals hinder academic progress at a school by leaving too soon.

“There are a number of members of the board, including myself, who believe we’ve got to keep leadership at our schools in place,” said Paul Daniels, a Board of Education member. “We can’t continue to have the musical chairs.”

The board plans to discuss principal hiring at its retreat Saturday. Discussion likely will cover turnover rates, hiring practices and salaries, said Nora Carr, the district’s chief of staff.

“I don’t think that there’s any one issue,” she said. “There’s concern that there’s been too much movement in Guilford County Schools, and the improvements that have been made in that regard have not been enough.”

District figures show that 66 percent of principals working at a school in 2010-11 had been there for at least three years.

But Carr said the data belie perceptions about what is occurring.

“This data looks a lot better than what it feels like when we’re working on the issues internally,” she said.

Those perceptions have some validity. Data sent to board members in October show that turnover rates began to climb slightly during the first part of this school year. At that time, 48 percent of principals were in the same position for at least three years.

Nonetheless, district administrators and Board of Education members believe fewer principals are leaving their schools because of the economic recession, better support for school leaders, and stronger employee morale since the hiring of Superintendent Maurice “Mo” Green.

Rhonda Copeland, principal of Fairview Elementary in High Point, said her school benefits from the regional offices and the services for low-performing schools that Green put in place three years ago. Fairview, where most students qualify for subsidized meals, gets a paid principal coach and priority access to other district resources.

But Copeland emphasized the importance of stable school-based leadership. She became Fairview’s principal in 2005 but didn’t hit her stride until three or four years later, she said.

“I have to agree with them,” Copeland said, referring to school board members. “At highly impacted schools, it takes time to build trust and relationships. As a principal, you may be making decisions that parents don’t agree with.”

It’s unclear what the district can do to keep principals in place for at least three to five years. Several board members want to reduce the number of principals changing schools midyear, and Daniels suggested suing principals or other employers who break their contract.

“We’ve got these contracts with these folks, and they say they’re going to be in place with us four years,” Daniels said. “They certainly hold us to that contract. Why can’t we hold them to these contracts?”

Board member Nancy Routh said she is more concerned about the experience level of all principals than their movement between schools. Principals had an average 3.3 years of experience at the school level, but an average 6.6 years of experience as a whole, according to the fall figures.

Limiting movement within the district has its drawbacks, Carr said. She previously worked for Charlotte-Mecklenburg Schools and remembers how a policy that limited transfers to certain schools led to resentment among teachers.

“I don’t know that there’s a perfect solution,” she said. “It’s one of those things you have to constantly manage.”

Contact Morgan Josey Glover at 373-7078 or morgan.josey@news-record.com

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On the agenda

What: Guilford County Board of Education retreat

When: 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Saturday

Where: Guilford County Schools Central Office, 712 N. Eugene St., Greensboro

What’s going on? The board will discuss converting McNair and Irving Park elementary schools into magnet schools, updating policies for booster clubs and fundraisers, and adding sewer lines to the site for the new southeast-area elementary school.

The meeting is open to the public but will not have a public comment period. View the full agenda here.

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Jeff Armstrong

January 20, 2012 - 7:07 am EST

Really? I was an employee of Guilford Co. Schools during that time, and one of our favorite things to do was read in updates from central office what principals the former superintendent was moving this week. I remember weekly conversations about who moved where, and small wagers being made over who was moving this month as a result of (1) the superintendent's bizarre whims or (2) the principals' failure to play politics to the central office's satisfaction.

angie123

January 20, 2012 - 7:35 am EST

Terry Grier's reputation was to play musical chairs with principals. Principals who had been successful at a school for a few years knew it was only a matter of time before he/she would be moved to another school. Parents dreaded it too. Grier seemed to love the instability it created. I'm pleased that Mo Green has not had the same practice and school board members are finally speaking up about this and trying to do something.

One principal's stats are glaringly different from all others - the principal at Ragsdale has been there for 19 years! People in Jamestown have always commented that the Ragsdale family controls that school and it's also rumored that what happens at Ragsdale stays at Ragsdale.

JackK

January 20, 2012 - 12:19 pm EST

Mr. Grier moved people around on a 2-3 year rotation to avoid the very situation you have at Ragsdale. First, he didn't want any principal to build up a political base so there would be resistance to them being moved . . . even for the best of reasons. Second, it takes parents about that long to figure out that someone is an awful principal; given the size of the district, moving people just when their true abilities become known to a distant place gives you three more years with someone before they must be moved again. Under either scenario, Mr. Grier kept all the power and control in his hands; not that that's what he was after. Right!

AirDoc

January 20, 2012 - 7:51 am EST

I am very surprised at the lack of investigative reporting here. Ask a teacher or a principal if you want to know the reasons for the brief principal assignments. It's a lot simplier than this article suggests. If a principal has a "difficult" school, his/her seniority should give them first dibs when an opening becomes available in a less difficult location. This, along with the unexplained transfers mentioned above, should give readers a better idea of the real issues. A simple report on district figures does nothing to explain this dilemma - it just raises more questions.

jayson

January 20, 2012 - 8:49 am EST

I do agree with the article about the hiring practices. They are horrible. I've seen it happen so many times where the district has passed over many good canidates to recycle Principals that were'nt getting the job done. That practice still seems to exist today. When Grier left he should have taken his HR people with him. One other thing I can't understand is the promotion of some of these Principals to executive positions. If you are leaving your school in bad shape then how can you be promoted to an executive position? That's a head scratcher there.

rooster8786

January 20, 2012 - 9:20 am EST

As I've always heard: Those who cannot do teach and those who cannot even teach "lead". I think we can safely change lead with administrate....

turkey

January 20, 2012 - 10:03 am EST

Just like another poster said principals get moved when they do a good job, ie. clean up and get rid of school trash and discipline kids properly, which I promise is against all school policy as the higher ups would view it. Also we need to take a look at how many teachers and principals leave this county for others just because the GC school district is ran so horribly and teachers have lost almost all hope of ever being able to do their jobs correctly.

DocF

January 20, 2012 - 10:13 am EST

It has been pointed out that the biggest cause of the instability in the ranks of Guilford County principals was Terry Grier and his policies of shuffling these people to create instability and to allow him to bring in his cronies from outside the system. He is gone and the people of San Diego have to deal with him now. Guilford County will have to survive some more time with principals being moved or ousted to get rid of the riff-raff the Grier brought in.

I spent more than 25 years as an outside contractor for the school system. I was in every one of the schools several times each school year. I do know what was going on and how it affected both staff and students. Believe me, it was not pretty.

Dman94

January 20, 2012 - 8:48 pm EST

Grier was only in San Diego for one year. I think he went to Texas after that. Not sure where he went from there. Maybe he should take a similar position with a school district in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, or Iran!

I guess Grier forgot that San Diego is the home base of BOTH the US Navy and USMC! He could not battle that and win! It would be a better world had he attempted this!

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