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Occupy, civil rights groups join at Greensboro event

Thursday, December 29, 2011
(Updated 3:11 pm)

RALEIGH (AP) — Members of a traveling Occupy group are meeting with civil rights leaders in Greensboro in an unusual confluence of interests of the mostly white anti-Wall Street movement and blacks.

The so-called Walkupy marched Thursday in Greensboro from a campus statue on North Carolina A&T State University to the International Civil Rights Museum, where the museum's co-founders planned to meet them for a news conference about plans for a mass action in the spring.

The February One statue honors the four young A&T students who led the lunch-counter sit-in at Woolworth's that began Feb. 1, 1960, and led to the desegregation of the counter and to other non-violent protests across the South.

The Occupy Wall Street movement has been noted for its lack of minority support, although some cities, such as Detroit, have a lot of minority support. Others, such as Washington, have far less.

"I'm not sure where the disconnect might have started from the beginning, but better late than never," said museum co-founder Melvin "Skip" Alston. "Their cause is addressing the things that African-Americans are concerned with — more than just African-Americans, 99 percent of Americans as a whole."

The Rev. Jesse Jackson addressed the Occupy group in Atlanta, for example, while singer Kanye West visited protesters in New York's Zucotti Park. Hip hop artists also have shown up at Occupy Oakland protests in California.

But minorities haven't embraced the movement as much as some whites, even though the unemployment among blacks was 15.5 percent in November, more than twice that of whites — 7.6 percent. And the Pew Research Center found that from 2005 to 2009, inflation-adjusted median wealth fell by 66 percent among Hispanic households and 53 percent among black households, compared with just 16 percent among white households.

Museum co-founder Earl Jones said the Occupy protests have touched a populist nerve and will resonate in the black community. "The issue of the 20th century was race," Jones said. "The issue of the 21st century is going to be class. And you're beginning to see that."

Blacks and the Occupy protesters share common goals, Alston said.

"You can ask that of a lot of people: Where were they?" he said. "They're here now and we should appreciate that and build on it. We don't have the time and luxury to point fingers now at people trying to help our causes."

Nathan Stueve, who's marching with Walkupy, said he believes there's some validity to criticism about the lack of minority support for the Occupy movement. The march into Greensboro isn't focused on civil rights but on a national call for action for all Americans, he said.

"We're seeking to unite all Americans on issues of economic inequality," Stueve said. "African-American communities have borne the brunt much harder and much longer. This is an opportunity for all Americans to recognize we have a common cause and we're suffering from common injustices and can change things for the better."

The walk itself, however, draws on the protests of civil rights actions, he said. "This is an echo of what happened in the civil rights movement as far as Selma," said Stueve, 32, of Springfield, Mo. "The idea of holding it at Greensboro is create an echo of the past and form of link of continuity into the future."

The Occupy Wall Street protests began with general complaints include income inequality and the role that banks and big businesses played in the global financial crisis. Alston said he likes that the Occupy movement seems to be trying to define its message and focus on inequalities in the economic system but says its supporters have more work to do if they hope to emulate the successes of the civil rights movement.

"Now you've got the country's attention," he said. "What do you want us to do?"


 

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b-logical

December 29, 2011 - 6:37 am EST

The walkupy should stay in DC where the real causing problems are. They could march around in circles for years and protest their little heart outs if they think it would actually accomplish something.

OR - since they have so much time - they could volunteer at a food bank, help the salvation army, help in a soup kitchen, get involved with big brother/big sister, drive cancer patients to treatments, donate blood, volunteer at hopsital, a school or a church.

Those that are "healthy" and able should be out there helping those that are not. People are hurting and suffering all over this country and we should be INVOLVED helping. Your time would be better spent and appreciated. Please don't "walk" past the ones that need you.

nemo0037

December 29, 2011 - 3:25 pm EST

Helping the poor, mentoring youths who are at risk, and so forth ARE great things to do, but so far as the society as a whole are concerned, they are mere bandages and splints in response to cancer. They will only postpone by a little while the inevitable collapse. What good will helping at a food kitchen do if the wealthiest people in the country are given free rein to take all the money they want and not pay any taxes on it? We'll end up with no government and about 250 million people will end up on the food lines then.

Traveler

December 29, 2011 - 4:57 pm EST

What are you proposing to help make things better?

veteran

December 30, 2011 - 1:42 am EST

INQUIRY: Which candidates have been / are endorsed by the Occupy Movement for election / re-election? Why?

1234

December 29, 2011 - 7:49 am EST

Dittos to the above comment, as well...I would like to add: The financial crisis that messed up the banks was created by the housing bubble that Barney and Company help create by making loans to those that did not need to be home owners...my own parents had to pay 25% down to buy a home in the 50's, and they were teachers! The give me generation is at fault for the crisis that we are in, how about the personal responsibility plan?

tledford

December 29, 2011 - 3:31 pm EST

The mortgage bubble was caused primarily by *private* morgage lenders writing bad mortgages and not by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. And since 2009, the mortgage crisis hasn't been with SUB-prime mortgages, anyway, but is part of the fact that the middle class is being wiped out by Republican class warfare.

http://crisis.lenderwatch.org/news/554#more-554

Anything you hear on Fox News is either incorrect or an outright lie.

itsjustron

December 29, 2011 - 4:21 pm EST

" the middle class is being wiped out by republican class warfare"

Biggest problem right there is that statement

Until republicans find fault in republicans and democrats find fault in democrats instead of blindly following the party of choice like some little lovestruck puppy, nothing will ever get better.

Traveler

December 29, 2011 - 5:00 pm EST

I believe Fanny and Freddie share much of the responsibility. They allowed "lax" underwriting such as the pick-a-pay programs, where people did not have to verify their income, were able to borrow over 100% value of the property, and were able to choose when to make interest only payments.

The ratings firms were also contributors. They rated those mortgages as AAA.

As a result there was too much money available, and it was too easy to get.

Red9skins

December 30, 2011 - 8:35 am EST

Fannie and Freddie played a HUGE role. Their decisioning engines (used to determine what loans they would buy) loosened considerably over the last several years leading up to the crisis. As long as Fannie and Freddie would buy the loans, lenders kept making them.

gsonc214

December 29, 2011 - 3:43 pm EST

Agree 100%...you can't blame the government or the rich for personal decisions. This is a nation of choices, some good, some bad. If you made the choice to sign a loan that you couldnt afford to make payments on it was your bad choice, why should the government have to hold your hand and decide that for you? If you ran up credit card debt paying for your smartphone, dinner out, flat screen tv, chrome rims, etc it was your bad choice. If you waste your money on alcohol, drugs, cigarettes, etc it is your poor choice. Kids out of wedlock with no money to raise them with? Your choice again. Too many people make their decisions based on what looks or feels good today without looking down the road at the results of their actions, then expect someone else (the government, aka me/you/etc) to be responsible for them when they get in trouble.

Traveler

December 29, 2011 - 5:15 pm EST

Why is it that articles like this seem to lump all African Americans in one group?

I dare say the educated African American workers have similar employment percentages as whites and Asians.

Uneducated people: white, black, brown, etc. have much much higher rates of unemployment. Why? Because they did not take advantages of the educational opportunities. Why? Because the wellfare system encourages people who shouldn't be parents to have children. Why? So those children will grow up to be dependent upon the government so they will vote to keep the liberal big government in power. Why? So those liberal big government supporters can have well paying jobs with excellent benefits working in government doing nothing.

2012 will see a lot of vote buying by the left leaning politicians. Meaning, those left leaning politicians will try their best to get money to the uneducated through "government programs". That and the promise of more money to follow will buy a lot of votes.

I don't understand why more people don't understand that they are being bought.

goodtoknow

December 29, 2011 - 6:05 pm EST

Traveler...They don't understand because of everything you just stated.

Fanny and Freddie Mac ARE part of the blame because they lied when asked about these mortgages. They said everything was good, then they packaged all the bad mortgages up with the good and that's how we got here.

Also, I saw the interview with Barney Frank when he said we did not have to reign in Freddie and Fannie. He said in the interview that "everything is good." I believe this interview was dated in 2004. Nancy Pelosi also said that everyone has a RIGHT to own a home. I always thought it was a prize for working hard and saving for a down payment and affording the monthly payments. That's the way I got my homes.

The NAACP is another Socialist organization. The Occupiers need to get a job. The jobs are out there, I know people getting them. But the Dems love to buy votes anyway they can like extended unemployment benefits and illegals getting insurance and Social Security. Granted, there are people who need these things, but I have a relative in Human Resources interviewing and hiring people, and it keeps her busy.

It has been reported that the woman running for Senate in Mass., a Dem, is respnsible for the idea of the Occupiers while she was working for Obama.

Doug Johnson

December 29, 2011 - 7:25 pm EST

Good to know, I fully believe what you say about a HR person keeping busy.
There are jobs, maybe not what you want, however they do provide a pay check, to something else comes along.
For some of you younger people, the house I live in, we had to pay 10% down, plus closing cost.

Traveler

December 29, 2011 - 7:50 pm EST

I live and work downtown and spent some time talking to the occupy crowd. The original group were mostly genY, college kids and kids starting (or trying to start) out in the work force. When I asked them what their goals were, the one thing I heard most often was that they wanted their college loans forgiven.

Later the occupy crowd seemed to be made up more of the homeless who joined for the safety of a place to stay, and good, plentiful food. What they wanted seemed to be a free place to stay, free food, and free pot.

Skip doesn't represent all of the African American community. He doesn't have influence with the educated, hard working, tax paying segment of the African American community. Who he does seem to represent are the uneducated people who don't like to work. What they seem to want is someone to give them money and other stuff.

I guess that's what the occupy crowd and Skip's crowd have in common, they want someone to give them something.

We never heard an accounting of what the taxpayers spent to police the occupy crowd. Everytime I went to their site, there were one or more police guarding them. I remember a reporter blogged that he would find out what the cost was. Never heard that figure. I'm guessing north of $100,000.

bigdog2

December 29, 2011 - 10:29 pm EST

I wonder why all of you white folks try to speak bad of black folks. Most of you are so blind to your own race who do not give a dam about you. The bankers do not give a dam about you but you all are always trying to protect them. If you are not rich you are to them just like blacks folks nothing. You all are playing right into their hands.Look at the circus going on in the republican party its a joke.

Traveler

December 30, 2011 - 1:36 am EST

Dudette,

Stop being a whinny girl.

It isn't about race. It's about socio-economics. Plenty of blacks work hard, pay taxes, and totally oppose the Obama lead thought of "give money to people who sit on their a**".

I am curious, what do you do for a living? Hair dresser? On government assistance? Work for a good income and paying for Obama's give aways?

bigdog2

December 30, 2011 - 9:09 am EST

32 years on same job dude and how long have you been receiving government assistance?

northoftheboro

December 30, 2011 - 4:04 am EST

I wish the News and Record would conduct some investigative journalism and find out more about who these Occupiers truly are. The left-wing, "grassroots" movement (funded in part by millions from pro-Democratic unions, George Soros-supported entities, and other liberal organizations) claims that a majority of its activists work, but judging by the length of time that these groups and individuals have been on the streets over the last two months, one has to question if they are actually employed, if they pay THEIR fair share in taxes, are supported with government entitlements (at taxpayers' expense), or if they donate any time or money to charities in the community instead of causing violence/destruction and diverting local funds to security and housing for those thousands of Occupiers who have so far been arrested in their "peaceful" events. Inquiring minds, and the majority of citizens and taxpayers who now oppose this pathetic populist movement, want to know!

Red9skins

December 30, 2011 - 8:37 am EST

Bottom line. If you want to succeed in life, roll up your sleeves and work hard. Don't wait, or want, anyone to give you anything. Go earn it.

The_Doctor

December 30, 2011 - 6:45 pm EST

The Tea Party is mostly white, and that fact drew widespread accusations of racism. The Occupy folks are mostly white, but there are virtually no accusations of racism. There have also been a lot of videos made showing that the Occupy people have some problems with anti-Semetism, but no one in the media seems to care.

I am not endorsing the Tea Party, either. I am pointing out the skewed media coverage they can receive. But to an honest observer, it is clear that both Tea Party and the Occupy movement both are blind in one eye. The Tea Party is blind in the "Right" eye, and Occupy is blind in the "Left" eye, if you will.

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