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It’s a shame not to use the word 'Christmas’

Thursday, December 15, 2011
(Updated 3:00 am)

It was great to read former Mayor Jim Melvin’s Letter to the Editor (“Last weekend featured the city at its very best,” Dec. 10) where he thanked those involved for the Dec. 2 festivities in downtown Greensboro.

In his letter he referred to the lighting of a “Christmas tree” in Center City Park. It seems that most who were involved referred to it as a “Community Tree Lighting” event.

It is really a shame that in order to be politically correct the word “Christmas” has been absent from most advertising promoting the event. What would be wrong with Community Christmas Tree Lighting?

Isn’t it the Christmas holiday season? Why else are we having a holiday?

Let’s do better next year.

C. R. Hendrix
Colfax

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nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 7:36 am EST

Oh yeah -- it never feels like Christmas any more unless there are some people going around whining about a "war on Christmas." Obviously, anyone who isn't Christian couldn't POSSIBLY be celebrating some other holidays or festivals at this time of year, so anyone who tries to include those imaginary people are just spitting in the face of the only legitimate celebration around.

Seriously.. with all the crap going on in the world today, you feel it's necessary to complain that someone calls a pagan tree display a "community holiday tree"?

And to the N&R staff: why do you encourage such pettiness by posting this drivel? I know you're a community service, but can't you find some way to help encourage people to grow up?

retiree

December 15, 2011 - 8:34 am EST

Nemo, I guess the only posts you provide are those filled with hate for those with whom you disagree. As a Christian, I will be praying for you.

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 9:35 am EST

Hate? Who said anything about or "filled with hate"? I find the ideas of the letter writer here annoying... I AM allowed to feel a negative reaction to ideas, I hope. And really, it's too bad you haven't noted my other posts that agreed with others. I guess you're just falling prey to your confirmation bias. Enjoy your prayers. They're bound to be a passive-aggressive bonanza for you.

destinys mother in law

December 15, 2011 - 10:31 am EST

long live deforestation

Interested

December 15, 2011 - 8:38 am EST

Nemo - I am so with you on this. How wonderful for the writer that this is the most disconcerting issue in life he/she could find to write about. Perhaps next year advertising will be different as a result - I'm sure that little change will make a huge difference in the season for so many.

terrier2003

December 15, 2011 - 9:05 am EST

There is nothing wrong with having passion for something. . . Weren't we just celebrating people who protest? and I think I saw Nemo on that thread championing the protester...

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 9:40 am EST

See? I CAN post stuff that's not filled with hate for those I disagree with. I also post stuff with love for those I agree with, which is the opposite. HAH! :-)

itsjustron

December 15, 2011 - 8:56 am EST

Nemo:

" And to the N&R staff: why do you encourage such pettiness by posting this drivel? I know you're a community service, but can't you find some way to help encourage people to grow up? "

And yet, here you are responding to this drivel.

terrier2003

December 15, 2011 - 9:04 am EST

They post Bill Burnett... now that is drivel...

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 9:42 am EST

I'll point out that drivel needs to be responded to. I personally prefer not to send drivel in for printing in the newpaper if I can avoid it.

thinkingman

December 15, 2011 - 8:18 am EST

"Isn’t it the Christmas holiday season? Why else are we having a holiday?"

Are people really that ignorant?

Here's a brief list of other holidays this season, several of which predate Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice#Observances

DaveW

December 15, 2011 - 9:09 am EST

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL THAT POST HERE!

thinkingman

December 15, 2011 - 9:14 am EST

May you have a pleasant solstice. :)

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 9:42 am EST

AND a Happy New Year. FWIW...

itsjustron

December 15, 2011 - 9:20 am EST

As a professing christian, it doesnt matter to me what they call the tree, it is irrelevant to the celebration I am enjoying on that day. While I do say "Christmas tree" It just as easy a Pine tree to me.
We christians seem to get too wrapped up (no pun intended) at Christmas over this and that.
Christmas has never been proven to be the day that the Christ was born,and has roots to paganism. It is just the day it that his birth is is celebrated . And if that is your reason for enjoying the holiday, as it should be, Then A bunch of idolistic ornaments, should be of no concern. My concern on christmas (and any other day), as is relevant in the christian faith, is that families have food to eat, shelter, and warmth. That my family be together, as many of us as possible.. Give prayers and thanks, enjoy a few surprises..

thinkingman

December 15, 2011 - 9:53 am EST

Good post.

As an atheist, I'm in full agreement. It wouldn't bother me one bit if they did call it a Christmas tree...I'm not fool enough to pretend that most people who decorate a big pine tree and put a star on top aren't celebrating Christmas. Heck, there's a tree in my house, covered in lights, with presents underneath, which I plan to open on December 25th. I was raised in a mixed Jewish-Christian household and as a family we never talked about Christ or any other religious figure, but we did talk about the importance of family, generosity, and good will towards others.

So whether you're lighting up a menorah, decorating a tree, or just hoping for snow, I think we should all try to be a little less sensitive, accept each other's beliefs, and enjoy the season.

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 10:09 am EST

On a more general train of thought: here's a quote from another Christmas complaint letter today, that they didn't allow comments on:

"What has happened to this country? The majority should rule.

Merry Christmas."

These writers yearn for conformity, as if having everyone follow their direction, life would be better. That's a fantasy, of course. Conflicts will arise, even within the same religion. Why, I'm sure few Americans are aware that Christmas was never celebrated here before the Civil War, not even with a day off from work. And for the record, the Pilgrims considered celebrating Christ's birth as blasphemy. And there are Christian sects today that have the same view.

But what is this desire to have everyone conforming to social celebration conventions? Sure, the society needs to have rules that everyone follows to operate with a minimum of chaos. But holidays don't need to be in that mix; certainly they don't need to be in a society that has a basic rule allowing religious freedom.

I was struck by a statement from a news item on NPR the other morning, about ethnic tensions in northern Iraq. The reporter was talking about the American forces leaving and the declining influence of Americans to keep the peace between Iraqi Muslims (of both major flavors) and Kurds. The reporter said "When guns are drawn in the future, no one knows whether peace will be maintained." As if these groups will inevitably come to blows. And I wondered "Why must these different groups come into conflict?" Their differences should only be superficial, but too many of them prefer conflict, and deadly conflict at that. That's no way to live.

We see similar problems here. People see those around them who differ from them religiously and they get upset, start talking about "political correctness" and how THEIR religion is under attack and in danger of being wiped out. All because they see people who disagree with them? For crying out loud, people... stop making a big deal about it and enjoy your holiday however you want. And if you WANT to enjoy your holiday by whining over the fact that *I* don't celebrate the hoiday your way... I suggest you re-think what you find "enjoyment."

itsjustron

December 15, 2011 - 10:41 am EST

So many whine of conformity. Think as I think, do As I do.. It goes far beyond the christmas discussions here and religion.
It carries on to subjects such as landfills, city councils, OWS protests, racial harmony, etc..
I believe deep down in everyone, it is easier to believe as you always have, than to take some elses opinion and say. " You know what, that makes sense to me, I may have to adjust my thinking."
The time comes when you grow up, and realize that, its not all about you, and your beliefs or preferences, or even 10 peoples beliefs or preferences. This letter writer carries the opinion, of a very large portion of our country.
Anytime, someone feels their belief or preference is being trampled on, regardless of the issue, then they respond, often enthusiastically, and then get people like us to sit her and debate it, defend it, curse it, etc.

my personal belief as a christian, is that there is a Heaven and Hell, I most assuredly will end up in one or the other, hopefully not the other. HOWEVER, my belief and preference would not stop me from having lunch with "thinkingman" who professed he is an aethiest just because his belief differs from mine, or a muslim. My understanding of the Bible tells me to embrace those different from myself, not to hate, not point fingers and shout them down, Just ,well, Live and let live.

Hmm, Im sorry, this in response to a post by Nemo, that seems to have disappeared.

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 11:15 am EST

Yeah, Ron -- we're "off topic" it seems. I appreciate your thoughts... hope you enjoy Christmas over the coming week or so. I'll be busy celebrating Winter Veil in Warcraft. :-)

itsjustron

December 15, 2011 - 11:23 am EST

LOL.. Same to you Nemo!

General Greensboro

December 15, 2011 - 12:04 pm EST

OK, nemo. I un-deleted your earlier comment. I tripped over the "another Christmas complaint letter today, that they didn't allow comments on" sentence and didn't process the rest. Sorry about that.

And a happy Feast of Winter Veil to you, too. Hope you enjoy the sweater.

GG

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 2:48 pm EST

Cheers, General!

sperbypinerjr

December 15, 2011 - 10:17 am EST

It's called CHRISTmas. It is a time to celebrate the birth of Christ. It you want to celebrate something other, then why not find another time during the year to celebrate whatever it is you want and we won't impose our beliefs on you at that time as you try to do to us. Maybe sometime in May, you can have a "holiday celebration".

itsjustron

December 15, 2011 - 10:30 am EST

Yes, that is it.. Celebrate his Birth.. Dont celebrate a tree. Myself, I used to be on the otherside of this debate, however Because of such things as people beginning to call the tree the holiday tree, or taking down town decorations because of perceived constitutional violations, etc.. I reevaluated my position by simply asking,

What is important?

thinkingman

December 15, 2011 - 10:43 am EST

sperby....I respect your right to enjoy your Holiday, with your religious affiliation. However, you don't own the entire season. There are other holidays celebrated during the winter, including the secular "New Year". Are they less valid because they occur in close proximity to a holiday that is important to you? So yes, let us celebrate "the holidays", and for those who choose to celebrate it, have a merry Christmas. For the substantial Jewish population in America, Happy Hannukah. For anyone not celebrating a religious holiday, enjoy the time off work to spend with family and friends. Is that really so hard? Does it make you angry that I'm happy in December without tying my happiness to Christ?

sperbypinerjr

December 15, 2011 - 3:56 pm EST

Was just wondering what it is that makes you happier in December than any other time of the year? Must be the "new year holiday" which you were referring which is a new one to me. No, I am not angry but it is CHRISTmas time of the year. I guess next we will be celebrating "Labor Day" in December for it seems we keep "inventing" or trying to "incorporate" holidays during this time of the year.

thinkingman

December 15, 2011 - 4:33 pm EST

You've never heard of New Year's? Wow...you're missing out. They have fireworks, and champagne, and people usually get the day off, too. You should talk to your employer.

I non-theistically celebrate Christmas, as I already stated elsewhere. Presents and food and family make me happy. But even if I didn't do Christmas, there are other holidays during this season. You don't own it. Give it up. Unless you've never heard of Hannukah, either (it lasts for 8 nights, and some families give out presents every night!!!). It starts in 5 days, and will actually be going on before, during, and after Christmas. I hope that doesn't infringe on your enjoyment of Christ.

Get your candles ready.

General Greensboro

December 15, 2011 - 10:31 am EST

Some housekeeping notes:

* To paraphrase a former U.S. Secy of Defense, you go to print with the letters you have, not the letters you want. Today was one of those days.

* @ nemo: Please stay on topic. If that other LTE was open for comment, you could comment on it. But it's not, so you can't. In the meantime, please enjoy one of the other several dozen stories that are open to comments.

* @ Dave: I think your Caps Lock key is broken. Might want to get Santa to hook you up with a new one.

GG

nemo0037

December 15, 2011 - 10:59 am EST

I rather thought that my last post WAS on topic, General, sir. Only in more depth than some others might have used. So you got a whole bunch of notes decrying the lack of Christmas celebrations again? Sorry to hear it,.

Abruti

December 15, 2011 - 11:57 am EST

Here's my take:

The Christmas Tree has been associated with Christmas for as long as anyone can remember. Calling it something else is blatantly censoring the word Christmas in fear of offending somebody. Most people, believers or not, could care less what you call the tree.

There are several different celebrations that happen at this time of the year. But let's face it, without Christmas being at the center, there likely wouldn't be a parade.

I do not have a problem recognizing other holidays when appropriate. Whether it's hannukah or even Kwanzaa( which in my opinion is probably the least historical of holidays). Display the menorrah and respect other people's beliefs. But I feel the censoring of the mention of the word Christmas is an attack on Christian beliefs.

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