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High Point wary of planned mental hospital

Monday, November 14, 2011
(Updated 3:45 pm)

— A Florida company wants to build a 90-bed mental hospital in High Point as part of the effort to replace the Raleigh’s Dorthea Dix campus.

Geo Care, based in Boca Raton, Fla., is negotiating to buy the Evergreens site near the High Point-Jamestown border. An official with Geo Care said the facility will be a forensic mental health hospital, housing psychiatric patients who have been ordered detained by a court.

However, High Point has scheduled hearings to rezone the property for Dec. 13 and Dec. 16. If the land’s legal designation is changed, the hospital would be unable to open.

Tom Terrell, a lawyer working for Geo Care, described the rezoning effort “as defensive” and said it was designed specifically to thwart the hospital.

“Some council members have tried to down-zone it so that these 185 jobs will not come to High Point,” Terrell said.

Read full coverage of this story in Tuesday’s News & Record.

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rooster8786

November 14, 2011 - 2:25 pm EST

maybe the first patients should be these looney politicians...

Mialamasoul

November 14, 2011 - 2:56 pm EST

Touche....
I encourage the city leaders of High Point to look to the Americans with Disabilities Act for cases against municipalities that attempt to zone out properties designed to house the disabled. THEN rethink their re-zoning plans. Don't make an uninformed choice because "you can" folks in power!

nippded twistle

November 14, 2011 - 4:07 pm EST

So does this mean you'd like it in your back yard?

Panacea

November 14, 2011 - 4:31 pm EST

If you live near High Point Regional, it's already in your "back yard." High Point Regional has an inpatient psychiatric unit.

I see no reason for this facility not to be built on the old Evergreens site. What's the difference between a mental hospital and a long term care facility? Very little, and both are necessary to the community.

ChinaCatSunflower

November 14, 2011 - 4:35 pm EST

This isn't just your run of a mill psychiatric center though- it's a forensic psychiatric center, which means it's for the "Criminally insane" which is the place people who plead insanity to things like murder go to hang out cause they can't be sent to "real" jail.

thinkingman

November 14, 2011 - 4:54 pm EST

That's not really clear from this article. It says it will house inmates with mental illness who have been ordered detained by the court. That could mean they are waiting for a forensic psychiatric evaluation, or are on suicide watch, are incompetent to stand trial...it doesn't necessarily indicate that they are there for long-term placement due to a finding of "not guilty by reason of insanity".

Forensic psychiatric evaluations are not easy to obtain. It would be good to have another facility capable of providing that service. If you look at the link I posted below, there are also other services that we desperately need. Unless you think it's ok to let someone sit naked on a bedframe with no mattress while the floor is pooled with urine and feces, because the prison doesn't have enough staff to attend to someone with mental illness.

Panacea

November 14, 2011 - 7:53 pm EST

Well, first you should understand that most people with psychotic disorders are not dangerous. Scary. Uncomfortable to be around. Loud. Disruptive. But not dangerous in the sense you would imply with "criminally insane."

Hospitals are places where patients are treated, not "hang out". These patients would get mental health care that is sorely lacking in prisons. Prisons have become the defacto mental health centers, and that's not good for anyone: not the patient, not the officers, not other inmates, and certainly not society at large. A center like this would segregate the mentally ill from criminals who would abuse or manipulate them, and that's a good thing.

But a mental hospital is no kiddie camp. They're not fun places to be. They're safe places: safe for the patient, and safe for the community at large.

Also remember, most of these patients are pre-trial detainees. As in, innocent until proven guilty. "Real jail" is not where they belong if they need mental health care, nor is the community assuming they could make bail. A facility like this can confine a patient too ill to be on the streets but with the capacity to make traditional bail (though that has its own pitfalls).

Once the mental illness is stablized, they can be transferred to jail if that's the appropriate place for them to be.

I used to work as a correctional nurse. I knew how to spot malingerer's trying to use their mental illness to get to the state hospital instead of jail. So did the jail psychiatrist.

thinkingman

November 14, 2011 - 2:48 pm EST

Interesting news considering the article printed yesterday regarding the treatment of mentally ill inmates in NC prisons (link: http://www.news-record.com/content/2011/11/13/article/neglect_may_have_l...). Sounds to me like we need a place exactly like this, a place that's more capable of handling the specialized needs of criminals with mental illness.

Panacea

November 14, 2011 - 4:32 pm EST

Absolutely, although it does not sound like this facility will provide long term care, which is what we need with the closure of Dix.

ravencottage

November 14, 2011 - 5:17 pm EST

How about right next door to your house?

rmacz

November 14, 2011 - 5:59 pm EST

Kudos....ha!

Panacea

November 14, 2011 - 7:55 pm EST

I would not have a problem with that. Such persons are supervised whereas the untreated psychotic living anonymously in the community is not.

thinkingman

November 15, 2011 - 9:22 am EST

If they do their job right, this facility wouldn't be a problem for any of its neighbors. I'm fine with the thought of having a treatment center for mental illness in my neighborhood. In fact, I already do. I live a few blocks away from the Guilford Center. They serve voluntary and involuntary clients in crisis as well as more stable individuals who just need a place to get maintenance treatment. Whatever picture you have in your head of "mental illness", I doubt it really matches up with the reality. A treatment center that's run properly benefits the clients and the community.

Long term care for mentally ill inmates who have been convicted of violent crimes might be a different situation. It would require more security and hopefully be more insulated from the community at large. But it doesn't sound to me like that's what is being proposed.

Dogwood

November 14, 2011 - 4:56 pm EST

Folks in Raleigh had Dix Hill in their backyard for years without major excapee problems. I think High Point residents will be just fine. Evergreens is near businesses and highways with only a few close neighborhoods nearby. Most of the Dix inmates are controlled with medications and simply exist.

Copper1

November 14, 2011 - 7:04 pm EST

The North Carolina Department of Corrections is building a new mental health hospital and prison medical center at central prison in Raleigh. At a cost of 160 MILLION taxpayers dollars that hasn't been completed. Now, we need to build another one with private dollars in high point? Will the spending ever end.........

Panacea

November 14, 2011 - 7:59 pm EST

It's a question of how to best spend the dollars.

Bear in mind, the DOC facility will house convicted criminals who happen to be severely mentally ill. These prisoners are disruptive to the general population, are at high risk of victimization, and need treatment while incarcerated. We've been using prisons as de facto mental hospitals, and it makes these people worse not better.

The High Point facility will be for pre-trial detainees, and possibly those with very short sentences. It makes much more sense to stabilize the mentally before releasing them back into society, and that requires professional help, not jail.

It's cheaper, too, in the long run to treat the problem and prevent recidivism and relapse than to just throw people into holes knowing they will never change or get better.

Katbyrd

November 15, 2011 - 5:10 am EST

Rarely do I agree with Panacea, but in this case, Panacea is spot on. Working in the health benefits arena, there is a huge need for this facility, as well as a need for more than just a floor at HP Regional or the Moses Cone Health System for psychiatric patients. The first knee-jerk reaction from any community is "not in MY neighborhood"! But honestly, I would welcome this facility next door to my house. Matter of fact, it might be a welcome change from some of the "neighbors" I have now!

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