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Taking aim today at bank fees, bailouts

Saturday, November 5, 2011
(Updated 6:51 am)

— At 11 a.m. today, look for Ken Knight outside the offices of Bank of America and Wells Fargo on Green Valley Road.

But rest assured, Knight won’t be there to open an account. He’ll be there to protest.

Knight and those who join him will carry signs that say “Make Wall Street Pay,” “Bail Out the 99%” and “Do You Want to Change Banks?”

“I am very excited that people are finally waking up and finding out that they are being left out of the game,” said Knight, a retired social worker and organizer for the Guilford County MoveOn Council. “(We’re) reminding lots and lots of people that this is their country and that these banks are here to service the public and not just their shareholders.”

Today’s protest will be one of more than 280 such events put on around the country by MoveOn, a national movement.
And it will be one of several loosely related events planned in Greensboro this weekend aimed at customers unhappy with bank bailouts and fee increases.

The events are aimed at getting people to move their money to smaller banks or credit unions.

The Occupy Wall Street movement, which has spread to cities nationwide, has designated this as “Bank Transfer Day.”

The city’s most unusual protest got called off late Friday afternoon because of the weather. Occupy Greensboro, which sprang up at the end of September, planned what it called a Zombie March Against Banks.

According to the movement’s website, people dressed as zombies had planned “to protest corporate 'zombies’ who are feeding on our resources.”

Occupy Greensboro will hold a more sedate event from 1 to 3 p.m. today at the central library on Church Street.

Participants will learn how credit unions work and how they differ from banks.

“Tell the big banks, enough!” said the group’s promotional material. “Move your money.”

Credit union officials say that’s already begun.

On its website, Credit Union National Association in Washington says that since Sept. 29, when Bank of America announced plans to charge a $5 debit card fee, 650,000 customers have joined credit unions. That equals the additions for all of 2010.

The website says those members transferred $4.5 billion in new accounts.

In addition, a Harris Interactive poll says more than 70 percent of credit union customers describe themselves as highly satisfied. That compares to 27 percent for Bank of America, 31 percent for JPMorgan Chase & Co. and 34 percent for Wells Fargo & Co.

All three wanted to raise debit card fees, but ultimately abandoned the idea.

“We have listened to our customers very closely over the last few weeks and recognize their concern with our proposed debit usage fee,” David Darnell, Bank of America’s co-chief operating officer, said in a prepared statement. “Our customers voices are most important to us.”

But local participants said this weekend’s events go far beyond the issue of higher fees.

“The impetus is the bailout of the banks,” said Audrey Berlowitz, a local educator and member of Occupy Greensboro.

"This thing about the fee hikes just put more fuel on the fire. It actually plays to our advantage.”

But should banks be worried about the growing consumer backlash?

Officials at Harris Interactive said yes.

“People know that banks are looking for new ways to make up the revenue gap,” Carol Gstadler, an executive vice president at Harris, told Bloomberg Businessweek. “This may be the start of a tipping point where long term, we may see numbers of people making a move.”

Others are less certain. “Much like Occupy Wall Street movement, Bank Transfer Day feels like it wants to be a full-blown revolution,” Jeffry Pilcher of Financial Brand wrote in a recent blog post.

“But in the annals of history, this event will probably be regarded as little more than a minor customer uprising.”

Others have more practical ambitions for the day.

“I think what people are hoping is that banks are going to start getting their practices in line with credit union practices,” said Will Shuford, an organizer of Occupy Greensboro and a mortgage loan officer at Self Help Credit Union. “Hopefully, that will translate to lower fees, higher interest rates on deposits and lower rates on loans.”

But Shuford added, “If banks don’t see this as serious, we could see a migration.”

Contact Donald W. Patterson at 373-7027 or don.patterson@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Abbe Pass of Greensboro joins other demonstrators during an Occupy Greensboro march through downtown in October.

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ravencottage

November 5, 2011 - 7:09 am EDT

No one forced Abbe Pass to borrow $60,000. No one is forced to be a customer at BOA or WF. These OWS folks come across as utter fools and I'm so happy the N-R keeps running this pic because it's worth easily a thousand words!

mamaboilermaker

November 5, 2011 - 7:36 am EDT

Indeed! I would be embarassed to be holding her sign. 2 years at GTCC and 2 years at A&T would have cost her considerably less than $60K, so she obviously chose to get schooling she could not afford. I'm not bailing her out, because anyone who's really smart enough to go to college is smart enough to do it affordably. That $60k degree isn't really worth more than a $10K degree.

College is supposed to be a means to an end, not a place to live off borrowed money for years until you feel like growing up. Just listen to all the people who call Dave Ramsey's show and say "I have $90K of student loans from my degree in ancient Egyptian women's studies and now I'm unemployed and can't make my $500 car payment."

retiree

November 5, 2011 - 7:37 am EDT

AMEN! Ms. Pass apparently expects the world to turn according to her needs, or wants. She and others who believe having one degree or another (or two or more) is somehow the key to having a great job with high pay and no worries . . . as if it were a requirement for society to make sure she was employed with $80,000 a year and no bills. And, if I were an employer looking at her that would give me tons of reasons not to hire her.

And to Ms. Pass and others, have you looked into welding and plumbing? Off-shore welders make over $100,000 a year.

b-logical

November 5, 2011 - 8:02 am EDT

THIS is what dependency on governement money has created.

YOU chose the college and YOU chose the major-why in the world should anyone ELSE be responsible for YOUR debt?

Get two jobs-get rid of the cell phone-do without-cook at home-cut coupons-carpool-mow yards-babysit-have a yard sell -get off of facebook-stop talking and start doing- that's what the TAXPAYERS are having to do.

For heavens sake - be ACCOUNTABLE - I have enough issues of my own and do not want to pay for yours too!!

mamaboilermaker

November 5, 2011 - 8:32 am EDT

Amen! When people are accustomed to other people making their decisions for them and accepting all their consequences for them, they eventually lose (or never develop) the ability to make wise decisions or to accept the consequences.

jstevenh1952

November 5, 2011 - 8:14 am EDT

Tempest in a tea pot. Full of sound and fury representing nothing.

polaroid

November 5, 2011 - 8:21 am EDT

The OWS are looking for a hand out like every one else. Pay my college loan, my mortgage, my rent, my car. Did they not realize when this nation stopped producing skilled laborers ie: machinists, tool and die makers, instrument makers, draftsman we lost the ability to produce anything.
When you went to college by the millions did you not know you would sooon compete with every other student sitting next to you. Come on wake up. If MoveOn would like 100 % employment there a place called North Korea that would welcome you.

mamaboilermaker

November 5, 2011 - 8:36 am EDT

I would be more sympathetic to a sign that said "Worked 2 jobs and paid all my bills for 30 years. Got laid off." Student loans are a voluntary thing--unless somebody held a gun to your head and forced you to sign the promissory note. Do these kids know what "promissory" even means? Do they know that most of us pay back money that we borrow? Do they ever teach kids about Abe Lincoln walking miles to borrow a book to educate himself? What if he'd chosen instead to hold a sign that said he was entitled to free books?

RonaldusMagnus

November 5, 2011 - 9:01 am EDT

These people are protesting at the wrong place. They need to be protesting the government who is the cause of 90% of the problems.

whyus

November 5, 2011 - 9:03 am EDT

I recently returned from a trip to New York and the OWS should stand for Obama Willing Supporters based on the collection of individuals I observed. As people walked by, I could see them laughing and musing this was nothing more than another site to see in NY.

Panacea

November 5, 2011 - 10:14 am EDT

You guys aren't thinking this through.

We NEED an educated middle class. These are the people who manage the businesses, run public service, educate our children, do logistics to move goods to point of sale, find energy resources, invent new products, provide us with health care, solve crimes, and so much more.

Not only that, but you not only need a bachelor's degree but a master's. And graduate education costs 3 times what under graduate education does.

You can't get a good job without a college degree or an uber specialized trade. There's something wrong with the picture of people going 30-40K into debt to make 28K to start teaching kindergarten.

I still owe 40K for my Master's in Nursing. I had to have that degree in order to teach nursing, something I very much wanted to do, have done for six years now, and absolutely love doing. I was still in grad school when I started teaching (back then they'd hire you before you finished, not anymore). After I graduated I got a raise. $1000/year. At that rate, I'd have to work 40 years just to pay off the principal . . . I won't have broken even. And since I'm in academia, I make about 10K less than what I would if I still worked on the floor in the hospital . . . and about 25K less than if I got a Master's level job in the private sector.

Don't get me wrong; I'm not complaining. I love what I do enough to eat the financial loss. I own the consequences of my decisions and don't want a bailout (not that I need one).

But I do understand where these young people are coming from. They were sold a bucket of swill: go to college, don't worry about the cost, the job you will get after graduation will pay it off quickly and you will have your Golden Ticket to the good life.

The current economy has exposed the lie too late to do these people any good and now they're stuck, and many of them don't have degrees in career fields with job security like nursing.

mamaboilermaker

November 5, 2011 - 10:35 am EDT

I told my kids they probably should go to college, but I never said "don't worry about the cost." I say "count the cost." I do agree, however, that kids are given unrealistic expectations about the magic of a college degree and NOT enough financial education.

It is better, IMO, to be unemployed with a BS and no debt than to be unemployed with an MS and tens of thousands of debt. In this economy, a Master's degree is just a more expensive way to be unemployed. If the country recovers, those degrees may pay off eventually--but in the meantime the interest is compounding. Better to wait tables with a BS for a while before going into hock for grad school.

1234

November 5, 2011 - 12:53 pm EDT

Education...is OVER RATED...look at the German economy, the strongest in the World...and they have a HUGE trade school structure for building trades, manufacturing workers and HIGHLY PAID blue collar workers. Colleges have done a huge sales job on kids today to keep getting degrees and get degrees in worthless fields...we do not need tens of thousands with humanities degrees with $40,000+ in debt! The OWS crowds prove that there will always be folks that want to such the rest of us dry! A bunch of whiners...grow up and find a job...pay your bills and move on and become a taxpayer! Oh, and guess what the German Corporate tax rate us....15%! Oh, and if you make $8,000 a year in Germany you still pay income tax 15% on top of a 19% VAT! It is called skin in the game!

Ferb

November 5, 2011 - 12:54 pm EDT

Panacea, thanks for your balancing words.

It is difficult to reason with people who think there is a simple answer to everything. The you-took-out-a-college-loan-that-you-can't-pay-so-it's-your-problem mentality is soooo short-sighted. Many of these protesters are not looking for a handout. (Sure, many probably are; who doesn't like free stuff?) But these people played the game as our society teaches. Go to school and get a good job. It's not their fault the job market crashed in a big way.

There are hardly easy fixes in real life.

1234

November 5, 2011 - 1:02 pm EDT

The game...jobs and what you want to do in life is not a game...my own step daughter was going to go get another degree, until she found out there were no more "freebies" called pell grants and such and she was going to have to pony up and sign on the dotted line...she changed her tune I think. You have to chart you own course, my degree from hard knocks school has paid me well...as I charted a course. I was not born with a sliver spoon either! Oh, what kind of a degree did Steve Jobs have? hmmmm It does not matter what you want in life, when you sign on the bottom line, plan on paying it back...a boat, a home, cars...a degree, all life choices.

Traveler

November 5, 2011 - 4:13 pm EDT

I agree with some of what you way. These students were sold a bill of goods: go to college, don't worry about the cost. Whoever started that was wrong. Yes, go to college, but get a degree with a future career. Things like a doctorate in mid-eastern women's studies (or most liberal arts degrees), is not worth very much.

You seem to believe that government needs to take care of people. OK, here, have government tell people to live within their means, to plan for the future, and to learn a skill that is in demand.

You can do that affordably.

I agree with the comments that students who have large student loans for "worthless" degrees do not need to be "bailed out" by forgiving those loans.

katei

November 5, 2011 - 10:19 am EDT

hey N&R... please get a new stock photo when referring to occupy greensboro. this one doesn't accurately reflect the movement or the people involved and gets people all in a tizzy over the wrong aspects of your stories.

all they see is the $60,000 and begin stereotyping all the activists as lazy debt-squelchers--which is far from the truth.

crimany.

Ferb

November 6, 2011 - 2:42 pm EST

Well said, katei!

I'm tired of hearing most interesting half of the story. Please, N & R, present the whole story or none at all.

Waldo Leidecker

November 5, 2011 - 12:25 pm EDT

OWS must be doing something right, judging by the Republinazi-Teanut postings here. Reward the rich, punish the poor - vote Republican!

1234

November 5, 2011 - 12:40 pm EDT

Something right....I hope they keep this up all they way until next November! The Slumdog-lazyaires that are part of this movement will push more and more over to the Conservative side as liberalism does not work in Cuba, most of South America, Spain, Portugal, Italy AND GREECE! It really does not work in China and Russa...with eyes wide open, people will have memories of these OWS and how they would effect our lives if the rest of us will have to pay for their ROTTEN choices!

The_Doctor

November 5, 2011 - 8:24 pm EDT

Waldo, by insulting your opponents as Nazis and nuts, you only make yourself look utterly stupid. Furthermore, you trivialize and cheapen the memory of the people who died at the hands of the Nazis and all those who sacrificed to defeat them. Your fellow citizens are NOT Nazis, and you would better serve your cause by avoiding such idiotic, moronic, and downright stupid and inaccurate labels. You sir, need to sit down and shut up until you mature.

sparkeysig

November 6, 2011 - 12:13 am EDT

I took your advice today Waldo and voted conservative (Tea Party) Republican. I could not have been happier with this choice. I also plan on occupying Wall Street with my investment dollars, another choice that I suspect will reward me with great happiness in the future.

hgals01

November 6, 2011 - 6:34 am EST

Please read the Durbin Amendment and Dodd-Frank Bill!!! The democrats passed these two bills and now this is the world we live in! Be careful on where you direct the protests!!!

greenT

November 7, 2011 - 10:55 am EST

To all the Teapublicrats here who are talking about personal responsibility. Protesting is a personal responsibility of an American when there are powerful forces that keep 99% (that's you too) of the public from ever being able to achieve the American Dream. What are you advocating for? An America that stays complacently at the bottom of the ladder no matter how many jobs we have (like there are any to be had)?

The battles in the class war have been won by the 1% for 30 years. We are all on the same side, you just don't see it yet. Wake up, stand up with us.

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