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UNC feeling impact of budget cuts

Sunday, August 28, 2011
(Updated 3:05 am)

— Days into the start of classes for UNC students, and the fears of $414 million in cuts to the university system have been realized.

Nearly all of the system’s 17 campuses have reported fewer faculty members and fewer classes, UNC President Tom Ross said. Instructors are teaching more courses and students.

Ross said the campuses are managing because of good planning by chancellors, whom he warned in December to prepare for the worst.
Still, he said, these serious cuts have the system reconsidering the way it does business.

UNC’s priorities remain the same, he said: to provide the highest quality education, the best faculty in the classroom, and research that enhances learning and spurs economic activity.

“Our mission is clear, and it is not changing,” Ross said. “There are going to be shifts in the way we do things. We’re already seeing that, where we’re going to have to be more efficient.”

One way in which the system is trying to reduce costs is to look at the programs it offers on its campuses.

The UNC governing board will soon get recommendations on how to proceed with eliminating or consolidating some of its academic programs, an effort Ross announced within days of starting as president.

Ross said he expects one of the recommendations will be to cut programs where there is not what he called a substantial demand.

But Ross said he’d like to see more collaboration among the campuses than cutting. Combining programs would reduce costs, but not the opportunities available to students.

“We’re going to have to do a whole lot more partnering between institutions,” he said, which includes looking for ways to centralize operational services so money can be redirected to academics.

For example, as a way of managing cuts on its campus, the UNC School of the Arts now contracts with Winston-Salem State to perform its internal audits.

As for academic programs, Ross said the system will have to rely more on technology to reach students.

He wants to see an increase in online programs that let students earn credits across the system, reducing the need to develop online programs on every campus.

Enrollment cap?

Whether putting a cap on campus enrollment will factor into how the UNC system controls its costs remains to be seen, but Ross hopes it doesn’t come to that.

He doesn’t like the idea of telling students who have worked hard and done well in school that there’s not a place for them at one of the UNC campuses.

“I’m sure there will be some discussion of limiting enrollment, but I hope that it’s not something that we have to do formally,” he said.

But, informally, it is already happening.

The system, over time, is increasing its admission standards —  a way of using financial resources wisely while making sure campuses are admitting students who are in a good place to be successful, Ross said.

Both UNCG and N.C. A&T raised minimum admissions standards this year; UNCG’s provost said earlier this month that it contributed to a drop in the university’s freshman numbers.

Cuts in state and federal aid are also making it harder for some students to finish their education.

Ross said campuses have reported that some students who didn’t return have cited financial circumstances as the reason.

'Still a model’

The system has lost more than $1 billion over the past five years.

Ross said he worries the larger classes mean students are getting less attention, that some needs are not being met at the registrar and financial aid offices, and that universities are not able to do as much work in the community.

But what he doesn’t want parents to worry about is whether their child will get a great education.

The UNC system is still held up as a model for many states, Ross said.

“The University of North Carolina remains — if not the premier — certainly one of the very top university systems in America.”

Contact Jonnelle Davis at 373-7080 or jonnelle.davis@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: Tom Ross

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igliigli

August 28, 2011 - 7:57 am EDT

The UNC System should fire all the coaches and sports teams and use the money for academics.

DaveW

August 28, 2011 - 8:06 am EDT

The whole UNC system is not corrupt like it is in Chapel Hill.
igliigli is PARTIALLY CORRECT. Chapel Hill should cut back on athletics due to abuses, but the other UNC system schools can continue to play.When a known sports agent is allowed to teach a class at UNC while the school is under NCAA investigation for illegal agent activity just plain reeks of arrogance and corruption.Are there any adults running things in Chapel Hill?

igliigli

August 28, 2011 - 9:12 am EDT

UNC-CH has been corrupt for decades but most of the UNC Schools are equally corrupt. It is long past time for the UNC System to remember its mission is education, not sports and fire all the coaches.

DaveW

August 28, 2011 - 12:53 pm EDT

The athletics abuses are only in the news at one UNC system school.
I graduated 30+ years ago from App and was a walk on athlete. I had classes with football players and other athletes.We were all held accountable for our academics and I can honestly say that I knew of ZERO athletes in any class I took failing to do their schoolwork. Stating that all UNC system schools should fire coaches and drop athletics is absurd.Just because there is a blatent lack of institutional control in athletics on one campus of the UNC System does not mean it happens at all of them.Academics is the number one reason schools exist and I do not at all disagree with that. However, athletics has had many a positive impact on individual students over time on both the collegiate level and the scholastic level as well.It has helped both of my children recently and years ago it helped me.

retiree

August 28, 2011 - 3:20 pm EDT

I surmise that igliigli failed PE in his childhood, or was not athletic enough to be picked on a little league team . . or maybe his meds need changing. He really has a "thing" against athletics and has a way to weave it into the discussion, even if the discussion is not about athletics.

DaveW

August 28, 2011 - 3:43 pm EDT

I have also seen him drop the same drivel on the Charlotte Observer site as well.

Interested

August 28, 2011 - 4:30 pm EDT

And the Moore county newspaper as well.

Interested

August 28, 2011 - 4:32 pm EDT

To igliigli-

As we all know, entire athletic programs will not be dropped. So perhaps it's time for you to come to the table with a realistic alternative or just drop your call.

tghdobro

August 28, 2011 - 8:50 am EDT

As someone who loves universities and higher learning, it is time to rethink the truly unnecessary coursework (often much of the first 2 years) that has nothing to do with a student's intended career or interests and focus on a system that is more efficient and targets the student's goals and passions. I am sorry, it is not the role of a university to produce "well-rounded" graduates who are forced to take classes that can be meaningless and/or a waste of their hard-earned/loaned money. That is the role of parents and the students themselves. As a science major, I had to take: 3 PE's, 6 liberal/social arts variances and 2 electives (and more) that were nothing more than 2 years of non-science filler. Maybe some people like and want this? That is fine. I would have preferred a track that thrusted me right into hard science and fieldwork.

Bilbo

August 28, 2011 - 11:52 am EDT

..then you should have gone to a technical school or a community college to begin with if all you wanted was to learn a trade...the set up of a four year liberal arts major has served this country and the world well for centuries...to go to your model..would make us more like the Soviet bloc countries of the cold-war era..where every child was studied and prodded and then herded into what it was they determined that they should do...and for those that scream for less government...this would seem to be an unacceptable direction...

tghdobro

August 28, 2011 - 2:01 pm EDT

Sorry, you missed my point completely. Is it important to take volleyball and bowling, the history of American Indian Culture, Impressionist Art or Greek Literature if your focus is to become a doctor, nurse, marine biologist, physicist, computer programmer, whatever. The system is inefficient and there is a valid argument that money and time is wasted on things that someone else deems important but not you! Trade school is a different argument.

Interested

August 28, 2011 - 4:49 pm EDT

And as Bilbo pointed out, for those who are certain of the direction they are headed, perhaps they should not choose a liberal arts school. Of course, shall we hazard a guess as to how many children knew what they wanted to major in yet, in the end, did not graduate with a degree in that field? How many times has a student taken a class to fulfill a GenEd requirement only to discover a new passion?

And is any student worse off for receiving an education not initially a part of their plan? I have a child at UNC-CH. She has had a number of classes that have had little to do with her initial choice for major. She will be the first to admit these same classes have opened her eyes and will serve her well in life, in addition to leading her to a second major that she never considered.

As a MechE major in an Ivy engineering school, I had few arts/literature/cultural requirements to fulfill. But again, mine was not a liberal arts education. I can say that, after watching both children choose electives to fulfill GenEd requirements, I wish I'd had more opportunities to explore. Being well-rounded hurts no one.

tghdobro

August 28, 2011 - 7:28 pm EDT

So, well-rounded is based on college classes? We rely on institutions now to become well-rounded? If that is what a student wants, great. More power to you and feel free to pay for it. But in lean times, budget cuts and many college atmospheres that do not encourage well-rounded thinking but rather very narrow thinking in terms of life, politics, progress and the real world outside of academia, then it makes absolute sense to allow focused and directional students to accelerate their skills and passions and skip the many things they can learn on their own. After 20 years removed from college, I look back at much of what I was taught as either wrong in terms of scientific philosophy and have become more well-rounded through life-experience, broader thinking and context with the real world. Again, as I originally said, I love academics and universities. I just think new ways of thinking and re-invention are good things.

Interested

August 28, 2011 - 8:14 pm EDT

And I believe what we are pointing out is that you can do what you are suggesting at the community college.

Also, I would agree that it is possible for one to become well-rounded with life experience. But how long does it take a twenty-something year old to figure out some basic psychology or sociology principles? Reading these comments quickly shows that quite a few adults don't have an understanding of basic economic principles. Or accounting principles. Or legal principles. Psych 101, Soc 101, and Econ 101 would help quite a few folks.

robotskeleton

August 28, 2011 - 8:22 pm EDT

Agreed. There is more to education than in learning one particular skill which (possibly for now) will get you a decent job.

Panacea

August 28, 2011 - 6:32 pm EDT

As a nurse educator, I can tell you many great nursing educators (Nightingale, Rogers, Orr, others) believed that a well rounded education was very important.

A liberal education is not about learning Greek mythology, or appreciating Impressionist Art (though those are fine side benefits).

It is about learning to think critically. When you learn how to observe details and styles in a painting, and interpret the meaning and intention of the artist, you are critically thinking. That's really important for outside of the box thinking, which ability is the cornerstone of outstanding work in any field.

My ability to view a scene, take in details, and understand the meaning of what I see is the first step in the Nursing Process.

Trade school is an apt argument. If students are attending solely to learn a skill but not how to think, then they really don't understand why they are there, nor do they really understand what they have gained.

That's not to say that the course requirements couldn't be adjusted a bit. One school I went to required me to take a course in the Native American (this was in another state). While I enjoyed the course and got a lot out of it, I think students taking courses out of their majors would be better served with the ability to make their own choices.

revee

August 28, 2011 - 1:50 pm EDT

1. Set the academic standard for athletes as high as for any other student enrolling so we don't end up wasting taxpayer money at the state-supported schools. 2. Award athletic scholarships only to students who meet the academic standards (and don't use that "only way out of the neighborhood" argument to give money to students who can't even pass the EOGs let alone the SATs.) 3. Scholar/Athletes must complete the 4-year degree and if they leave early for the pros, must repay the money. 4. No athletic scholarships to out-of-state students unless it comes straight from the Boosters.

retiree

August 28, 2011 - 3:27 pm EDT

Good suggestions, but No.2 will get you in court fighting the NAACP and the ACLU and you'll have every neighborhood mother and father fighting you as well. When I was in high school you had to have a C average to play.

That said, it is really a sad situation that our "esteemed" universities (UNC, et al) have had to resort to lowering their entrance standards just so they can claim to have a "big time" college football or basketball operation (e.g, just so the boosters can buy the big sky boxes and luxury suites). Wonder what the comparison would be for Duke versus UNC as it pertains to athlete entrance scores, and graduation rates (in 4 and 5 yrs), and the percent of those who go on to the pros versus those that do not.

Panacea

August 28, 2011 - 6:38 pm EDT

I agree you'd have the NAACP and ACLU try to fight it. But I think they'd lose.

It's hard to argue to a judge that a student has a civil right to attend a university not being able to meet basic entry requirements just because he can play a sport that is not part of the academic mission.

robotskeleton

August 28, 2011 - 2:24 pm EDT

No, no, no. Admitting "needy" students (intellectually and financially) actually brings in MORE money than bringing in bright, well-off students. There is no other standard for the federal government awarding a student financial aid than attending at least one of their courses ONCE per semester. These horrible students who have no hope of every doing anything (just look at the HBCUs graduation rates) are used to fund what makes the UNC system great, i.e. the medical and other professional schools. One hand feeds the other--and in this case the worst of the worst of society are used to help the best of the best get a decent education.

Panacea

August 28, 2011 - 6:42 pm EDT

Actually, there is a standard. Students must make progress in their course of academic study. No progress (IE D or better), no money. I have had students lose financial aid because they made an F in a course.

Also, financial aid is pro rated for students who are less than full time. Less than half time, no financial aid.

Finally, you cannot pad your schedule to get full time hours. One of the biggest arguments I have with students trying to register (usually new students) is they can't take PE to get a full time schedule because the courses they need for their program are filled up. (This only changed a couple of years ago, so they get bad advice from former students who WERE able to do this).

robotskeleton

August 28, 2011 - 8:25 pm EDT

Yes but for the approximately 50% of students at the non-top-tier UNC institutions who really never get into their sophomore/junior level coursework--their money brings quite a lot into the system. That's one reason why 100% retention is just ridiculous and financially impossible.

Panacea

August 28, 2011 - 8:59 pm EDT

Retention is primarily an issue of poor preparation for college level work. Remember the UNC system is obligated to educate every North Carolinian who wants an education (though they do have limited enrollment programs like medicine and nursing).

Yes, it brings a lot of money into the system. The State decides how most of that money is spent, not the UNC system. Some fees like the athletic fee do support sports directly. Tuition supports it some, but not to the extent you'd think or big tier schools wouldn't need boosters.

If tuition money for sports were really the driver you say it is, we'd see much higher retention rates just to keep the money flowing.

laserguidedloogie

August 28, 2011 - 2:26 pm EDT

You want to get rid of all the sports and coaches?

Good luck with that.

The idiot sports fans around here may not care that their country is turning into a police state. They may not care that their country is bankrupt, they may not care that their country has been taken over by a military-banking-marxist cartel bent on turning society into a giant anthill (with themselves at the top of course).

But by GOD they CARE who won the last meaningless contest between two ball teams.

"WOOT! Get 'em boys! We're NUMBER 1"

They wont fight for their lives, their livelyhoods or their families, but if you try to take away their mindless games, then you have a good chance of experiencing the Zombie Apocalypse first hand.

-Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

jdspringer

August 28, 2011 - 4:34 pm EDT

Cool. Gigli or Get Jiggy With It or whatever he calls himself has more than one sign-on and possibly multiple personalities.

Any mention of interscholastic athletics and/or academics is like chum in the water with this clown (or is it these clowns?). When you cut the band and the other extracurricular activities that also are geared toward the few rather than the many, then you can cut interscholastic sports, too. Until then, get a life.

The real scandal in the UNC case is the professor of African-American Studies at the heart of this scandal who thinks he's untouchable for political reasons. He's looked the other way on plagiarism and he hired an agent to teach a class.

Panacea

August 28, 2011 - 6:46 pm EDT

Ken is being sarcastic. He is not igliigli. igliigli is a well known sports crank who only posts calls to remove sports and complains that the N&R never covers anything else the universities do (false, btw).

Ken is a local blogger whose posts may sometimes border on being that of a crank, but cover a wide variety of topics and often have very good points.

DaveW

August 28, 2011 - 8:50 pm EDT

Hey all of y'all need to see the 60 second video on lackofinstitutionalcontrol.com. Very funny and very sad and very to the point on UNC Chapel Hill priorities.

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