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It's a right some want to protect

Wednesday, July 7, 2010
(Updated 5:13 pm)

It’s nothing for 21-year-old Jay Jay Eldridge to strap his .40-caliber handgun to his right hip, whether it’s to go eat a barbecue plate at Stamey’s or just stroll down the street.

But a resident in his High Point neighborhood didn’t know that and recently called the police on him.

“You know, when the cops get a call that there’s a guy walking around with a gun, a few of them show up,” Eldridge said. “So, three cops show up. They just asked me questions — 'Are you 21?’ and stuff like that.

“The first thing the cop said to me was, 'I know you’re not doing anything wrong. I got a call, so I got to check you out.’ ”

Eldridge isn’t out to hurt anyone. He openly carries a gun for his own protection and because, well, it’s lawful.

In North Carolina, state law does not prohibit carrying firearms in the open.

Dozens of “open carriers” like Eldridge are expected next month at the Restore the Constitution Rally at the Guilford Courthouse National Military Park to make people more aware of such gun laws.

Minding the adage of “use it or lose it,” participants at the Aug. 14 event will display their loaded pistols and unloaded rifles to exercise their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

'Read the Constitution’

Randy Dye, a co-organizer of the rally and author of the conservative blog “Randy’s Right,” said he has owned guns nearly all his 58 years. He has openly carried for three years.

Dye, a retired trauma nurse living in Pittsboro, advocates for gun rights and opposes what he considers the federal government’s encroachment of state and individual rights, citing the bank bailout and health care reform as recent examples. The rally’s purpose is to remind people of their right to have guns for self-defense and “to preserve individual freedom.”

The Supreme Court’s 5-4 decision last week that the right to bear arms cannot be violated by state and local governments was “excellent,” Dye said.

“My whole thought is it shows how easily we can lose our constitutional rights,” he said. “That should have never made it to the Supreme Court. The Second Amendment said that right shall never be infringed on.”

When people see Dye with his gun and ask if he’s a police officer, he tells them that he is an armed civilian and that he carries a gun for his protection. He also suggests they read the Constitution.

“The Constitution was specifically written to protect us from the government,” he said. “They foresaw a lot of what’s going on today.”

“Again, the whole idea is to make them more aware and to make this a more open-carry friendly country.”

Open-carry friendly

Dye considers North Carolina one of the more “friendly” states for open-carry advocates. No permits or licenses are required for people in North Carolina to carry a holstered handgun in plain sight.

Most state firearm laws refer to carrying concealed guns. The highly regulated process of getting a concealed-carry permit can take up to 90 days. It requires applicants to meet with their sheriff’s office, undergo a background check, complete a safety training course and pay a $90 fee.

State law does not permit anyone to carry a weapon — concealed or in the open — in bars or restaurants that serve alcohol.

It doesn’t allow guns, rifles or pistols in schools, law enforcement agencies, correctional facilities or state and federal offices, or at parades, funerals or demonstrations.

Maj. Tom Sheppard of the Guilford County Sheriff’s Office said deputies don’t bother open carriers unless they are “going armed to the terror of the people.”

That means people can’t arm themselves with any unusual or dangerous weapon for the purpose of terrifying others.

For the most part, open-carry is not prevalent in the county or Greensboro, he said.

“You have a few that walk down the street like they’re in Tombstone, Ariz., in 1880, but not that many,” he said.

Charles Cranfield, superintendent of the Guilford Courthouse National Military Park, said a federal law that went into effect Feb. 22 allows people who can legally possess firearms to carry guns in the park.

That’s the main reason organizers chose the park.

Rally organizers have imposed strict rules on participants about how they should carry firearms because of the novelty of the event and the attention it could receive from law enforcement and the media.

Participants can carry concealed weapons if they have a valid permit.

If they carry openly, then the rules state: “Pistol loaded, openly carried. Rifle unloaded, slung to rear.”

Organizers warn participants that the rally could shape future events.

Protecting the rally

The park issued Dye and partner Tom Green a First Amendment permit that allows them to express their views while not interfering with normal park operations.

A roster of mostly conservative speakers will discuss the First and Second amendments in any manner of their choosing. Between 200 and 3,000 people might attend.

The rally will be peaceful, but anti-gun protesters could show up to voice opposition, he said.

Cranfield said four Guilford County park rangers will provide security, along with up to four others requested from the Blue Ridge Parkway and Great Smoky Mountains National Park.

The park will notify the Guilford County Sheriff’s Office and the Greensboro Police Department about the event, Cranfield said.

“We will be contacting them just to let them know we expect that there could be an issue or something that happens,” Cranfield said. “There probably will be citizens concerned about people carrying guns around, and 911 will be called several times that day, so they need to be aware of it.”

“We expect it to be a peaceful rally. I don’t want more police than protesters or ralliers.”

Fighting misconceptions

Some adults — with eyes and mouths gaped — express shock when they see Eldridge’s gun.

But they shouldn’t be afraid, he said, because the bad guys aren’t likely to carry openly.

He’s not confrontational and fears the day that something bad happens, he said.

“A lot of people are like, 'I bet you can’t wait to use that thing,’ ” Eldridge said, referring to his gun.

“That’s another misconception. That’s the last thing I want to do.

“I will exhaust all other resources before I even think about using the gun with force. It’s kind of scary.”

Contact Dioni L. Wise at 373-7090 or dioni.wise@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Jay Jay Eldridge, 21, eats barbecue with his sister, Jennifer Eldridge, at Stamey’s in Greensboro. 

Want to go?

What: Restore the Constitution Rally

When: 1-4 p.m. Aug. 14

Where: Guilford Courthouse National Military Park, 2332 New Garden Road, Greensboro

More online: http://muster814rtc.wordpress.com

http://opencarry.org

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beach35

July 7, 2010 - 3:43 am EDT

If the law says he can carry, it is what it is, I'd just like a definitive explanation as to what an "open carry" is. It seems pretty pointless to bring a gun to a restaraunt when you are having lunch. There is a difference between the right to bear arms, and taking your weapon everywhere as if we live in a place so violent that it necessitates packing heat.

onbe1kanoby

July 7, 2010 - 6:57 am EDT

Thanks BEACH35...
Thats the hold point.. do you really need to have it?

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 7:19 am EDT

Maybe you should pose that question to Suzanna Hupp. Tragic tale, that one. Seems that on 16 October 1991, Suzanna and her parents were dining at the Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas when a lunatic drove into the restaurant and ended up gunning down a bunch of people, including her parents. Her legally owned firearm was in her vehicle and not in her purse because concealed carry wasn't a legal option at the time. It can happen anywhere at any time.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 8:53 am EDT

Open carry was an option in Texas at that time.

Let's not mix apples and oranges. The subject is open carry, not concealed carry.

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 9:55 am EDT

Texas is not a traditional open carry state, believe it or not. That comes from their own site on open carry regulations. The Luby's incident came about because Luby's, as I recall, didn't allow weapons in their restaurant, open or concealed, with or without a permit.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 9:59 am EDT

In which case, Luby's could not have been prevented. Private businesses have the right to set their own rules, so your original point is moot.

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 10:27 am EDT

Back to the if's. Luby's could have been prevented or minimized if Texas had the same open carry laws that North Carolina has and, under those conditions, if the subject of our debate was eating barbecue in Killeen instead of Greensboro and if Luby's had the same attitude about open or concealed carry that Stamey's has. Open carry, in this case and in potentially more cases, would have been and can be a positive element of public safety.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 10:37 am EDT

I believe open carry, and concealed carry laws such as the one in Texas, can and do have a positive impact on public safety by making criminals more cautious about their targets.

I'm not so sure that a nut like the one at Luby's can be stopped even by honest citizens carrying guns because such attacks are so abnormal and sudden, it takes people too long to react. Even in instances where unarmed citizens have stopped such tragedies, it has not been before people were seriously hurt or killed.

My best friend was a hostage of such a nut, who took over her high school. The whole incident happened very quickly. She watched a friend get his head blown off before he even knew what was happening.

I think people who believe that open or concealed carry will stop people like this are kidding themselves. There is no evidence to support the contention.

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 11:05 am EDT

I'm sorry that your friend had to witness such an event. The thing is, history is always there to show us what happens if a firearm isn't immediately available to the defenders. It can not show us the results of having an available weapon to drive off an attacker because, of course, the event didn't unfold that way. Another if: If someone at Luby's had been armed, five people might have died instead of twenty. If someone at Va. Tech had had a weapon, the casualty count might have been much lower. From personal experience, I have had a family member that has disuaded two potential attackers (on our property) with just the display of a firearm without discharging it. Open or concealed carry may not be able to stop a sudden attack, but it can give the attacker(s) the opportunity to reconsider their position or, at least, to minimize a tragedy.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 8:52 am EDT

Private businesses can choose to ask open carry folks to leave. Some probably do; that's not addressed in this article.

shadow operator

July 7, 2010 - 5:01 am EDT

It is quite offensive in today's society to openly carry a gun. Modern American cowardice has influenced how we perceive guns. The rudeness one displays is far greater than any criminal deterrence that the open carry may have. Proper etiquette dictates that one must conceal their weapons, as to not intimidate the helpless masses, eagerly awaiting their chance to claim victim-hood. Concealment of weapons is the preferred option of gentleman. It suggested if the gun is on your belt that it be covered by a coat or sweater. If in a casual situation and no coat is worn, a holster within the waistline or about the ankle is recommended. Ladies of course have the option of the garter holster, hidden beneath a skirt or dress. An under the shoulder sling beneath the coat is good option and can also accommodate sub-machine guns. One can be courteous and conceal their guns, and gain the benefit of stealth, even in places where guns are prohibited. Although there is nothing courteous about setting off a metal detector. Be kind, be courteous and carry concealed.

oh good grief

July 7, 2010 - 10:16 am EDT

Regarding both open carry and concealed, I think we could cut down on some of this "guns everywhere--be afraid, be very afraid" if the rules stated that all firearms must be carried/holstered/strapped/attached in the MIDDLE of the waistline in alignment with the navel and pointing down toward . . . .

At the very least such a rule might make people be very, very certain that the safety is on.

wiseowl19

July 7, 2010 - 5:17 am EDT

In response to
dosssva July 7, 2010 - 3:51 am EDT

"I lived most of my life in the city in NJ and I never felt or had the need to carry a gun.
You country folks are paranoid. "

If you NJ folks think we country are paranoid, I will be so glad to give you directions to the nearest airport, train station, bus station, or rental car agency.

Your comments are ,of course always welcome, but it is never any need to demean us country folk as we got along well before we ever met you!

I would not carry a weapon in public but this man is not breaking the law.

Pat Riot

July 7, 2010 - 9:14 am EDT

Thank goodness so many of the benevolent people of New Jersey are kind enough to relocate to North Carolina in order to show us the error of our backwards, savage ways. They are enlightened missionaries compelled to lead us in a totally non-condescending, non-paternalistic manner. I eagerly await their guidance in all matters, which is why I watch "Jersey Shore" so that I may better emulate Snookie.

teef

July 7, 2010 - 5:20 am EDT

there should be a law prohibiting carrying a gun while wearing a backwards ballcap !! this person obviously lacks good sense if they're gonna wear a hat like that, so why should he be able to parade a deadly weapon around ?!? could i walk around with a 3-foot samurai sword ? for my protection, of course.. not to look cool. sadly, we as human beings, are pretty predictable.. we screw things up.. we do things we didn't mean to do. happens every day. here's the bottom line.. concealed or not, the more of us that are walking around with guns.. the more of us die by guns.. who can possibly argue with that ?!? i've been preaching it for years.. DON'T GET A GUN. DON'T HANG OUT WITH PEOPLE WITH GUNS. DON'T BE AROUND GUNS.. if you're not in proximity to a gun, you probably won't get shot by one

bonusbaby

July 7, 2010 - 8:47 am EDT

Unfortunately, you are not in control of those that you may encounter in your daily life, whether you want to believe it or not. Your logic is flawed, unless you never leave your house... and with the rise of home invasions, even that isn't a guaranteed safe haven.

A gun is a tool. Just like a wrench, knife, a club, an automobile, the list goes on and on. Your fears are irrational.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 9:05 am EDT

Tell that to the innocent people who get hit by stray bullets in drive by shootings.

Honest citizens can't choose not to be around criminals who don't give a rat's ass about the law, and will shoot up a house full of innocent people to get to one guy who might not even be there (like happened over the weekend).

Having a gun is no guarantee of successfully protecting yourself in all circumstances. But it can protect you in some circumstances. Criminals are opportunists, they go for the easy targets, little to no risk. If they think someone can protect themselves, they'll go after a weaker appearing target.

As for the samurai sword, you can be arrested for that. There are laws limiting the length of a blade you can carry in public (can't remember if it's 1" or 3"). And most people would not look cool carrying one, unless of course they ARE samurai.

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 11:27 am EDT

Bringing sword to a gunfight probably isn't a good idea. Attackers will either get inside of your effective range or outside of your effective range and drawing a handgun is generally faster than drawing a sword. I don't think that a katana makes a very good defensive weapon in today's climate.

Pro-Protection

July 7, 2010 - 6:43 am EDT

Some of you people just dont get it do you? It isnt always about the gun. It isnt always about shooting people and a phallic symbol or any of that. For many people, its about the government taking away our constitutional rights. Slowly they make laws or add little ones to take your rights away without you even knowing about it. One day you will wake up and realize that you arent really free. Some actually protest for your second amendment rights and dont own a gun. I did say YOUR second amendment rights! Do you really not care if you loose that? To me, thats the sad part of it. People have become sheep and do whatever the government tells them they have to, because its the law. You are the ones that stood by and let them make some of those laws! Be active and voice your opinion. Protest when you can. Stand up for something.

miktay

July 7, 2010 - 7:29 am EDT

"its about the government taking away our constitutional rights."

Apparently you just don't get it. If it comes down to you against the government, your little popgun isn't going to do you a damn bit of good!

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 8:04 am EDT

Seemed to work out okay in 1776.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 9:06 am EDT

It took eight long years, and the only reason we won was because the French came to our rescue.

casper

July 7, 2010 - 8:56 am EDT

There are 300 million people in this country, do you really think the military would go up against 300 million armed civilians? Its not the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog. I am not an advocate for civil disobedience, but I definitely am an advocate for freedom promised by my constitution. In any case that the government wants to take my freedom, I want to take my chances with my popgun.

Panacea

July 7, 2010 - 9:11 am EDT

No armed insurrection has ever been successful in the history of the United States, after the Revolution itself. The military has put down more than one: Shay's Rebellion, The Whiskey Revolt, labor riots, The Late Unpleasantness, revolts in the Philippines, revolts by Native Americans.

Don't think for a minute that the military would hesitate to disarm anyone who rose in rebellion.

Civil disobedience, by the way, precludes the use of forceful resistance. That's why it's called CIVIL disobedience.

I urge you to read "On Civil Disobedience," by Henry David Thoreau (author of On Walden Pond, his other well known work). This essay was the inspiration behind the peaceful, SUCCESSFUL, resistance tactics of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.

agsutphin

July 7, 2010 - 11:31 am EDT

Read it a long time ago. I liked John Galt's solution better. Intellectual insurrection probably wouldn't work, though. Too much self-interest.

newkid

July 7, 2010 - 8:45 am EDT

Re: the government taking away your constitutional rights

Ever heard of the Patriot Act?

Why don't you gun toters get upset about REAL erosion of rights?

tell it

July 7, 2010 - 6:56 am EDT

You anti gun paranoid passivises make me sick,without goggle bet you can't name 1 time when an armed citizen has mistakenly shot someone trying to be a hero waiting for cops.I bet the 12 year old just shot this weekend was probably shot accidentally by some baggy pants wearing gold tooth conrow thug.I only say it like this because some NJ carpetbagger can call us "country folk" as trying to be derogatory.The Bill of rights guarantee us the right to to do this, ask yourself this question "how many people that have been released by liberal judges have killed people ? I bet the answer is a lot higher than armed law abiding citizens..

KCinWS

July 7, 2010 - 7:12 am EDT

Use your heads. It's not the person who openly carries a firearm on him that will endanger you. It's the one who runs up to you on the street, pulls a hidden weapon from his shirt and demands your money that will be most likely to inflict injury upon you. It's the mindset of the person behind the weapon, any weapon, including but not limited to guns, swords, knives, baseball bats, AUTOMOBLES etc.that's truely dangerous.

laserguidedloogie

July 7, 2010 - 7:14 am EDT

Because the 2nd Amendment has such aggressive opponents, it is necessary for those who care about freedom to be even more aggressive. It isn't enough to merely defend because the enemies of freedom will always be happy to split the difference with you.

The only way to fight against those who want to destroy the Constitution is to see them and then RAISE them .

Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

FatherCharlie

July 7, 2010 - 7:16 am EDT

Heyyyyy! This guy's picture really gives me hope ours is a sane nation going just the way God and the framers of our Constitution wanted it to go. How else can a real man eat his 'cue but with a Bud in one hand and a 9 millimeter in the other?

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