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Arts groups say cuts cost local economy

Saturday, May 22, 2010
(Updated 3:00 am)

GREENSBORO — When Richard Whittington argued the case for the arts before the Guilford County Commissioners Thursday night, he didn’t make what some called the “touchy-feely” argument.

Instead, the co-founder and managing director of Triad Stage told commissioners that cutting the county’s contributions to the United Arts Councils of Greensboro and High Point could cost the county economically.

“We have created, ourselves, over 22 full-time equivalent jobs over the past nine years. We have employed over 900 artists in our nine seasons,” he said

Dozens of arts supporters such as Whittington took up much of the two 30-minute speakers from the floor sessions at Thursday’s meeting to argue for the arts not as a luxury, but as an essential tool in economic growth.

The Greensboro and High Point arts councils are looking at a proposed cut of 66.7 percent. That would bring the Greensboro council’s county appropriation from $100,000 last year to $33,333 and High Point’s from $75,000 to $25,000.

Representatives from the councils have been arguing for weeks that such a deep cut would be short-sighted.

Whittington said jobs like those and their contribution to the tax base — to say nothing of the companies and investment attracted to areas with thriving arts and entertainment scenes — are well worth the county’s continued investment.

“Yes, the arts are important to our community and important to the quality of life,” Whittington said. “But they’re also critical to the economic development of this county.”

At a budget work session this week, Altina Layman, president of the Greensboro arts council, told the commissioners when the county spent $175,000 for both arts councils in the last year they saw a $1.3 million impact on the local economies.

“We have an 8-to-1 return on the investment,” Layman said.

That’s an argument that has resonated with some of the commissioners. At Thursday’s board meeting Commissioners Paul Gibson, Kirk Perkins and John Parks all wore buttons reading “Arts Create Jobs.”

Commissioner Billy Yow said that might be so, but it doesn’t entitle them to funding.

“I create jobs, plumbing companies create jobs, convenience stores create jobs,” Yow said. “But why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for them to grow their business and then go and pay to watch their play? It’s not the business of the county to be supporting these things.”

Yow said he won’t vote for a budget that puts back any money for the arts or any community based organizations — particularly after they showed up in force to speak from the floor at the commissioners’ meeting.

“There was already a public hearing on the budget and they tried to turn this meeting into another one,” Yow said. “It was honestly one of the most unprofessional things I’ve ever seen. I lost a lot of respect for them and I’m not going to support those antics and actions.”

Contact Joe Killian at 373-7023 or joe.killian@news-record.com

 

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Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 4:18 am EDT

Yow forgets that the public has a right to sound off on any issue they want during the public comment phase. Until the budget is actually voted on it is not a done deal. He doesn't have the right to say, "shut up, I'm tired of hearing you," unless he intends to resign his seat.

That being said, Yow does make good points about arts vs other types of job creation. While I do believe that the arts are valuable for their own sake, and do contribute to the economy as Whittington suggests, the basic facts are city and county government can't even pay for basic services right now. We can't afford to invest what he wants in the arts right now. It's going to have to wait a year or two for the economy to rebound.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 11:32 am EDT

When the economy rebounds is when we should be more fiscally responsible. This whole mentality of borrow and spend is what got us here. I do appreciate our commissioner Yow who firmly stands for fiscal responsibility. The Entitlement days are definitely over in this country if we are to survive as a free society.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 12:18 pm EDT

The worst entitlement problems in this country are the corporate entitlements. Big Business gets far more in government pork than does Bubba in the trailer park. Examples: Federally sponsored grants to universities pay the research costs for our wonder drugs, yet we allow unrestricted patents on these drugs to Big Pharma. The taxpayer takes all the risk in R&D, while CEOs reap all the rewards.

Big Oil gets to do exploration on public lands for pennies, and is slow to clean up their mess when they screw up. It is going to take billions of dollars to clean up the Deepwater mess in the Gulf, and BP will drag its feet for decades the same way Exxon did. BP won't even let government scientists have access to the site, a site the taxpayer owns (wtf?!?!?!?).

If the IRS were able to collect income taxes from the tax evaders, then that money would be TWENTY times what we pay out in TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families).

Fiscal responsibility has to apply as much to what is coming in as what is going out. It has to apply upwards as well as downwards.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 8:26 pm EDT

53 percent of the American public pays no income tax, that means that 47 percent of the people are carrying the entire country. Lets get that situation back in line, then we can go after the corporations that employ them.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 10:46 pm EDT

A big part of that 53 percent includes the super wealthy. Most income taxes are borne by the middle class, not the rich or the poor.

When you consider that 1 percent of the population controls 90% of the wealth, the clear solution to tax problems is to improve taxation methods for the wealthy. One method would be to tax financial transactions such as stock trades; something every other country does, and we used to do. I'm not talking about a high tax either, 0.25% given the volume of trading that goes on would raise huge amounts of money, and have the additional benefit of tempering volatility of the market.

There is no reason to give corporations a free pass simply because of difficulties collecting the income tax. Do both.

casper

May 23, 2010 - 11:51 am EDT

That is not remotely close to being true. The top 5 percent pay more taxes than the other 42 percent that even pay taxes. Remember 53 percent PAY NO TAXES. When you continually go after the corporations, you force them to relocate overseas, have you not seen enough industry leave our country already? In every nation in the world, 5 percent of the population controls the majority of the wealth. This is true whether they are a democracy, socialist or dictatorship. This whole "Spread the wealth around" mentality, will only force the wealthy to move money out of our country and weaken us economically. The wealthy didn't get that way by allowing people to take what they have earned. They won't just roll over and get on board with the whole Social Justice Ideaology. Look at what Social engneering has done to the states of New York and California! I do not want to see this great country follow the lead of Greece.

RWhittington

May 22, 2010 - 9:19 am EDT

I completely understand that tough decisions have to be made in this difficult economic climate, but we need to avoid being penny wise and pound foolish. The cuts to arts funding that the County is contemplating amount to less than two hundreths of 1 percent of the overall county's budget and yet is a 67% cut to the county's arts councils funding. With a difficult economy we need to be making smart choices to grow the economy. For every $1 the county invests in the arts, $8 of economic activity is created. We need to shift the thinking away from the idea that the arts are getting a "handout" and realize that arts funding represents a smart investment in growing the economy. The arts are a big part of the solution to our current economic situation.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 11:36 am EDT

That is absolutely false and you can provide nothing that substantiates your numbers. Except maybe some research done by a supporter of your cause, and we are not buying that one. If, in fact, they provided an eight to one economic return, private industry would be all over providing funding. This has always been a loser and always will be a loser.

RWhittington

May 22, 2010 - 12:07 pm EDT

You are correct in that there have been studies after studies done by arts-related agencies that have been the basis for many of our figures. I maintain that these studies have been conducted independently and that their conclusions are sound. However, if you need a cmpletely independent source, I'd refer you to the study recently conducted by the NC Department of Commerce that put the impact of the Creative economy in NC at $41.5 billion (that's a "b" not an "m") and accounts for 5.5% of the overall workforce -- that's more workers in the Creative economy than in the Banking sector). This was a huge surprise to the Department of Commerce and has fueled a re-thinking of the value of the arts within the State economy. Your comment perpetuates a misperception of the arts that we have been working diligently to correct.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 8:28 pm EDT

If your industry were in fact an economic driver, why do you need government handouts?

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 10:47 pm EDT

Because the arts themselves don't benefit enough from the economics to keep them going. Most of the benefits go to businesses both large and small, and through collection of sales and hotel taxes.

casper

May 23, 2010 - 12:25 pm EDT

If there were any truth to that, the hotel industry would be lined up to support your cause. The restaurant owners association would be in lock step with you. But for some reason they are not.........

chickenlittle02

May 22, 2010 - 12:12 pm EDT

"This is absolutely false and you can provide nothing that substantiates your numbers." Do you have some proof that what he's saying is NOT true?
"...and we're not buying that one." Who is "we"? Are you speaking for a group? Are you a county commissioner?
"This has always been a loser and always will be a loser." The vitriol of your comments is appalling. If you have a legitimate beef with what was said, refute it with facts instead of name calling.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 12:21 pm EDT

Your assertation that "private industry would be all over providing funding," is inherently incorrect. The ROI benefits the county, not private industry.

chickenlittle02

May 22, 2010 - 11:09 am EDT

I typically lean towards conservative decisions when it comes to spending public money. That being said, of all the public money spent, the $175,000 for the arts is miniscule in the scheme of things and money well spent. While I see the argument Yow makes, the flip side is that public support of the arts fuels plenty of employment in the private sector, so they benefit from the money spent as well. Ask any of the other businesses downtown if they'd be in exsistence if it wasn't for the strength of the arts scene. Personally, I'd rather that downtown Greensboro not return to its previous state where the sidewalks rolled up at 5 o'clock. The arts also plays an important role in its contribution to the quality of life that attracts business to the area. How long ago were we lamenting the fact that we couldn't keep young people here to work because it was so boring? "Greensboring" became the nickname for our city. It's come a long way since then. Spend a little to make a lot....not a bad philosophy in these trying times. The arts is a good use of this money.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 11:43 am EDT

The strength of the downtown has very little to do with the arts scene, and very much to do with the nightclub, restaurant and bar scene. Get rid of the bars and nightclubs and see what happens to the downtown. We have built nothing there but a "Red Light" district with a financially unsustainable Triad Stage. It is time for these venues to pay thier own way, the taxpayers can't afford to carry them.

RWhittington

May 22, 2010 - 11:57 am EDT

Public funding for Triad Stage represents less than 5% of our operating budget. The remaining 95% comes from ticket sales (55%) and contributions from private companies, foundations and individuals. As a not-for-profit organization we rely on contributions to hel psubsidize our ticket prices so that we don't turn into a theatre where only the elite can experience professional live theatre. If you remove the subsidy that contributions provide, every ticket to every play at Triad Stage would cost $50. Through the generosity of our supporters, our tickets instead range from $10 - $42 and average out to about $22/ticket. Donations also enable us to provide two "pay-what-you-can" performances and a sign-interpreted performance for each of our MainStage shows. These efforts have helped ensure that our theatre is open to the entire community and we have the evidence to back that up.

chickenlittle02

May 22, 2010 - 12:16 pm EDT

A "Red Light" district? Good grief. Get out much, Casper?

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 12:22 pm EDT

Apparantly ;P

casper

May 22, 2010 - 8:45 pm EDT

OK, I agree, Red Light was a little over the top. Simply Bar/Nightclub district is more appropriate.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 8:42 pm EDT

The bottom line is you are either a sustainable business model without taxpayer handouts, or you go belly up.
If in fact, your supporters see you as invaluable to thier community, they won't mind coughing up the extra five percent. The taxpayers can not continue to carry the burden that only a very small percentage of the population even considers valuable.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 10:49 pm EDT

So you're saying we should eliminate the Small Business Administration, and do away with corporations?

Because both laws of incorporation and grants from the SBA drive much of business in this country.

casper

May 23, 2010 - 12:04 pm EDT

Got any facts to back that up or is that more Liberal Opinion?

NCTerry

May 22, 2010 - 1:04 pm EDT

Once again Mr. Yow is being short-sighted and shooting off his mouth with very little forethought. Yes Mr. Yow can create jobs. Plumbers create jobs. However, no one is going to pay to watch Mr.Yow dig a well or a plumber snake out a drain! Also, when folks head out to see a show they very often have dinner first. That money in turn goes to wait staff and cooks and farmers who return money back to the tax base. Plumbers and well diggers don't generally hire a support crew when they do their work. When theater and dance groups perform they hire designers, costumers, stage hands and musicians. Money for the Arts is not being wasted. It is helping to create jobs and generate money from tourism. Most importantly, the impact of the Arts on children in the community is immeasurable. I support my tax dollars being used for such a rich investment. It's so important to me that I would gladly pay additional taxes to ensure that Arts funding is maintained. I know the budget only stretches so far, but I implore the commissioners to fully consider the effect that drastic cuts will have on the community as a whole.

casper

May 22, 2010 - 8:35 pm EDT

If you have no problem with your taxes being raised, go ahead and send in extra money to the county. Mark it so that the money is extended to fund the Arts, or simply make a donation to them. You DO NOT speak for the majority when it comes to raising taxes. One in ten people in this county are past due on thier mortgages and can ill afford anymore feel good taxes.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 10:51 pm EDT

You don't speak for the majority, either. And you clearly need to do some reading on macro economics; your solutions to the country's financial problems are over simplified and repeats of conservative talk points.

casper

May 23, 2010 - 11:59 am EDT

And your comments reveal that you are Ultra Liberal, and follow the whole tax and spend mentality. That somehow the few, deserve what belongs to someone else. I notice you didn't try to refute the fact that the taxpayers couldn't afford another tax increase. You must be one of the 53 percent that have no skin in the game.

Gymnaseum

May 22, 2010 - 8:31 pm EDT

I understand the economic investment. But I also feel uncomfortable sometimes with the idea that government is part of choosing/promoting any particular kinds of aesthetic statements, or even potentially political ones, artists are making. In a public classroom, this is put into a context of direct instruction, where students are allowed, we hope, to argue the merits and meanings. Not so with most public-sponsored art.

Panacea

May 22, 2010 - 10:56 pm EDT

Artists have always needed patrons. Sensitivity to the desires of their patrons guided the approach of many artists on issues such as subject material.

The freedom of fine artists to explore art for arts sake is a relatively modern concept. Usually the problem with government as a patron is objections to certain subject matter as "immoral" or "inappropriate." These objections usually have to do with particularly violent, sexual, or religious themes, rather than the government sponsoring specific types of statements (though that can happen too).

Whitley

May 23, 2010 - 11:33 am EDT

There is no doubt in the development community that the catalyst for the revitalization of downtown Greensboro was the entry of arts establishments. Previous attempts at revitalization focused on luring mercantile establishments back to the area. Triad Stage, and others, illustrated that the key to revitalization was not in reestablishing downtown as a shopping district. Rather, we learned that the way to rebuild downtown was as a cultural arts and entertainment scene. The reemergence of downtown Greensboro now serves as a template for scores of other cities seeking to rebuild their city centers.

Our local governments have spent millions trying to entice various large corporations to locate facilities here only to see that industry fail or relocate their facilities. The cultural arts community is largely immune to these dangers. With the meagerest of investments from our cities and county we can foster the entry and growth of arts-centered businesses in Guilford County. These businesses aren't subject to being outsourced to another country and yet they bring far more to our county in terms of jobs and revenue (including tax revenue) than, say, Dell.

The creative industry means over $41 Billion to our state. Five and a half percent of the state workforce is employed in the creative industry. We know what the arts have done for Greensboro. Don't we need it more now, in this economy, than ever? In times of economic crises we must avoid the temptation to be penny wise and pound foolish.

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