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Forsyth files appeal in meeting prayer case

Thursday, May 20, 2010
(Updated 1:05 pm)

WINSTON-SALEM (MCT) — Attorneys for the Forsyth County Board of Commissioners are arguing that a lower federal court erred when it banned the saying of sectarian prayers at the start of the board's meetings, as the first filings in the county's appeal were made Wednesday with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit.

Mike Johnson, the county's lead attorney, said that the outcome of the case would have far-reaching implications for "countless public bodies throughout this region."

''There is no previous federal court in America that has determined that all sectarian references are unconstitutional," said Johnson, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian organization active in church-state issues. The fund is paying the county's costs to litigate the case.

Janet Joyner, a Forsyth County resident who was one of the three people who sued the county over sectarian prayer in March 2007, said she hopes that the ruling that stopped such prayers will stand.

''I believe that nonsectarian prayer is in fact the law and that we should abide by that," Joyner said. "The government should not show favorites."

Joyner, Constance Lynn Blackmon and a third resident who has since left the case said in their original lawsuit that because most people giving prayers at board meetings made reference to Christ, the county was advancing Christianity to the exclusion of other faiths.

The American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State backed the citizens filing suit.

On Jan. 28, Judge James A. Beaty Jr. of U.S. District Court ruled in favor of Joyner and Blackmon, and issued an injunction that stopped the county from allowing prayers with sectarian content.

ACLU attorney Katherine Parker said that both the U.S. Supreme Court and the 4th Circuit appelate court have in fact determined that government prayers have to be inclusive and not tied to a particular sect.

Parker said that the ACLU would file its response to the county's brief by June 21.

Wednesday, the Rutherford Institute, a conservative legal organization based in Virginia, filed a friend-of-the-court brief in support of the county.

The institute argued that the federal-court ruling against the county was "unprecedented" because it looked at the frequency of Christian references made in the prayers, rather than first determining whether the county had improperly intended to advance Christianity with its prayer policy.

John Whitehead, the president and founder of the Rutherford Institute, said he believes that the county's prayer practice is constitutional.

''This case is a very important case, one that could possibly wiggle its way to the top ... at the Supreme Court," Whitehead said. 

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casper

May 20, 2010 - 8:43 am EDT

Through out history men have stood against Christ and all that have done so have perished. But Christ continues to live in the hearts of many. These radical and immoral few who want to impose thier beliefs on the many, will also perish. Thankfully!

Bravo2Zero

May 20, 2010 - 10:07 am EDT

Your comment is a contradiction in terms. You too are radical and immoral. What makes your impositions better than others...because you say so?

wscbd

May 20, 2010 - 9:14 am EDT

I think you meant to say that many have stood against Christian aggression, and that most have fallen.
These folks need to pray to Horus on their own time. No matter how they want to spin it, state-sanctioned religious ceremonies are ALWAYS illegal. If they so hate the values upon which our nation was founded, then they don't belong here.
Move to Iran or Saudi Arabia, where your values are more in-line with those of their gov'ts.

swabby

May 20, 2010 - 10:10 am EDT

It is amazing that Forsyth County would accept money from the Alliance Defense Fund . It is not only improper but possibly illegal.

expertdoc

May 20, 2010 - 3:41 pm EDT

Regardless of how low this country and it's culture continues to stoop and be mired in filth and decadence, the country was founded on Christian principles and Christian is about Christ. He is the son of God and rose from the dead, the other imposter religions cannot boast or authenicate such a claim. The other religions offer utopia on earth but Chrisitianity offers you a cross. Lose your life and you will save it if you believe in the true God through His son. These nut case folks that want to stop prayer and doing exactly what the devil wants them to; don't worry about them, just make sure you live out what you know is true. One day it will all be worth it.

wscbd

May 20, 2010 - 4:26 pm EDT

You are incorrect. Christ, God and Christianity had none but the most tangential bearing on the founding of our nation. Among the founders' beliefs and values that shaped their vision for the US were those based in Western morality, which was the foundation for most of Christian morality.

sparkeysig

May 20, 2010 - 4:44 pm EDT

Christianity is based on Jewish principles. You will note that Israel, Egypt and the other ancient civilizations referenced in the Bible are located squarely in the Middle East. Roman thought and culture were an amalgamation of influences from around the world as it was known at that time. The Western Influences on Christian Principles came much later during the Mddle Ages and later.

wscbd

May 20, 2010 - 4:57 pm EDT

All Western thought has Eastern influences. What are now considered to be the cornerstones of Christian morality were derived from what was emerging as the "Western" world. Most of what emerged from the Middle East prior to the previous century is universally described as "Western" thought, and not "Eastern". It's semantics arising from ethnocentrism.

sparkeysig

May 20, 2010 - 5:12 pm EDT

Folks from the Middle East consider themselves and their culture to be of Asian (Eastern) decent and tradition and would take great offence to the notion that their culture is western. The Greeks and Romans who had later influences on Christian Thought and development were Southern European but were heavily influenced by traditions from around the known world at that time.

wscbd

May 20, 2010 - 11:13 pm EDT

"Asian" not = "Eastern".

Panacea

May 20, 2010 - 11:37 pm EDT

sparkeysig is correct in that ideas coming from the Middle East are considered Eastern in origin, not Western.

Western thought originates in Western Europe, that is the Western Roman Empire and its descendants.

wscbd

May 21, 2010 - 2:27 pm EDT

Except that you're both wrong.
I've spent years of my life in the Middle East. They don't consider themselves to be eastern or western, but what they call themselves is unimportant. Eastern though begat western thought. Eastern religion begat western religion. Most of the morals and myths that comprise Christianity were taken (often directly) from Egyptian and Middle Eastern legends.
But calling Christianity an eastern religion is like saying that humans are a type of amoeba.

sparkeysig

May 21, 2010 - 6:23 pm EDT

That is a rather tortured path of logic you are walking to arrive at an incorrect conclusion my friend. But if that is your reality, don’t let several thousand years of recorded history and scholarship get in the way.

Gymnaseum

May 20, 2010 - 8:34 pm EDT

In January of 2009, the Supreme Court declined to review an Appeals Court ruling that disallowed a Fredericksburg,VA city councilman from invoking Jesus in sectarian prayers. Justice Scalia, a very arch-conservative, has himself reiterated public officials to avoid sectarian references in prayer.

Bilbo

May 21, 2010 - 7:10 am EDT

...what a waste of time and money...

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