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New renovation plan proposed for War Memorial Stadium

Thursday, April 15, 2010
(Updated 1:16 pm)

GREENSBORO — The city’s War Memorial Stadium may soon get a long-awaited face-lift.

But under current budget restrictions, much of the historic structure would have to be demolished.

After failing to find any other resources to help refurbish the 84-year-old  stadium, the city staff is recommending that $1.3  million in previously approved funds be used to do as much restoration as possible right now.

The current plan would save the unique arched entryway to the stadium, but much of the rest of the building would be knocked down, including the seating inside. The plan likely wouldn’t include updates like new locker rooms and concession stands.

On Wednesday night,  the Parks and Recreation Commission voted to ask the City Council to start the project, as a way to get something done at the stadium.

Meanwhile, historic preservationists are researching possible alternate fundraising to save more of the historic structure.
City leaders have gone back and forth for years considering options for restoring the 1926  stadium.

After voters turned down a request to fund a $5.5  million renovation in 2006 , the City Council approved $1.5  million in bonds to do some work on the stadium.

Since then, city staff has proposed everything from small-scale renovations that would simply put off the building’s deterioration to a $3.7  million re-imagining of the site as an outdoor marketplace.

Each plan fell by the wayside, either because the funds were insufficient or because council members could not come to an agreement.

Now the city staff is recommending the least expensive renovation option.

“If you don’t do something with it, those funds could be used elsewhere,” Parks and Recreation Director Gregory Jackson  told park commission members Wednesday .

Under this option, thousands of stadium seats will be replaced by 500  bleacher seats. Much of the unique shape of the stadium and the large canopy would be demolished, without immediate plans to replace it.

Parks and Recreation Commission members agreed to the recommended plan, even asking the staff to reduce landscaping in favor of spending more money on the stadium itself.

“At least this is a start and something that will stabilize it,” commission member Marc Bush  said of the deteriorating stadium.

Other amenities, like built-in concession stands, could be added later, said John Hughes , parks and recreation department programs and special services manager.

The issue will soon be scheduled to come before the City Council for approval. In the meantime, the city staff and other groups will explore alternative ways to pay for restoring more of the historic structure or adding other amenities.

Jackson said the city staff has talked with N.C. A&T officials about helping fund concession stands or locker rooms.

The university and Greensboro College host their home baseball games at the stadium.

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Robert Franklin (News & Record)

Photo Caption: War Memorial Stadium

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casper

April 14, 2010 - 8:58 pm EDT

Why is it that everyone in city government doesn't understand the Will Of The People? The voters clearly told you not to spend money on that delapidated complex when they refused the bond request. Our city, county, state and country are in a distressed financial situation, STOP SPENDING MONEY!!!!!!

uncwgm

April 14, 2010 - 9:08 pm EDT

Why not let A&T make an offer to buy the property, they're in better financial shape than the city and will be the primary recipient of the proposed makeover.

DaveW

April 14, 2010 - 11:13 pm EDT

I know Coach Shumate( A&T Baseball) well. His program would take great care of the stadium if A&T would buy it.

tryingtoremainneutral

April 15, 2010 - 12:42 am EDT

Why can't you people see that it is not just a Stadium but a Memoral to Soldier's who gave their lives to protect us . It is a piece of OUR HISTORY not just a Baseball Field. Would you consider tearing down the Historical Museum, I don't think so. The people of Greensboro need to open their eyes and look around at what is happening to this city. If this piece of History is destroyed then we may as well do away with all of our buildings that were built as Memorials to what ever even or beginning with the Civil Rights Museum.

casper

April 15, 2010 - 8:57 am EDT

Why can't YOU SEE? The majority of the citizens have voted against funding the renovation. This is a DEMOCRACY. This city and county are in terrible financial condition and can not afford to spend money on old buildings. The validity of the "Memorial" can be saved by simply building a small statue of sorts, that doesn't cost millions per year to maintain. Wreckless and irresponsible spending is what drove this country to the brink of near financial meltdown, wake up!

onbe1kanoby

April 15, 2010 - 9:23 am EDT

no wonder that Greensboro, has lost some much business! Just because of what you have said! It cost to had a nice city! POINT is, yes the tax base is being hit hard, but you have to had something within the city limits? you just can't stay at home all day, everyday???

tledford

April 15, 2010 - 4:44 pm EDT

Actually, perpetration of fraud (selling financial instruments that were known to be worthless) by investment bankers is what nearly brought the country to financial ruin, although the 120% increase in the national debt due to the out-of-control spending and tax cuts of the Bush administration certainly didn't help.

So we paid for the crooks' bailout and now they're right back in business and doing the same thing all over again.

Beachwalk

April 15, 2010 - 12:43 pm EDT

I was against the building of a new stadium downtown. But now that it is built, the city can't afford both. And really they don't need both. I knew this was going to happen. Promises were made about how the old stadium would be renovated, but no one said where the money would come from. Guess what, the citizens of Greensboro were lied to again. The best thing would be for Greensboro to sell the stadium to A&T and then use the money to build a very nice Memorial to our Soldiers on another sight.

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 6:26 pm EDT

"the city can't afford both..." and it doesn't need to. The City owns War Memorial. New Bridge is privately owned

bobberpopper

April 15, 2010 - 12:49 am EDT

Now correct me if I am wrong but did not greensboro use the argument that the stadium would be to costly to repair so that is why they built the new one? So what has happened did it just suddenly become less delapatated?

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 6:07 am EDT

You stand corrected, bopper.
In 2003 the owners of the Grasshopper built a new one because they wanted to build a new one. The cost of renovating WMS to modern minor league standards was going to cost millions less than the new baseball stadium.

Actually, the driving forces behind the new stadium assuaged the public's demolition fears by assuring them that - once the new stadium was built - they would support WMS's transformation to "North Carolina's premier amateur baseball stadium". "They" flatly stated to the public, "no one is talking about tearing it down". This came after warnings from us "naysayers" that the eventual fate of WMS would be its demolition once large numbers of fans stopped coming there for games.

citywatcher

April 15, 2010 - 10:04 am EDT

dhoggard, the "Greensboro Bats" had a right to seek a new stadium if they wanted to (which was built with private money I might add). If you want to find someone to blame, blame the taxpayers because for years, the citizens turned down bonds to renovate War Memorial. As one said above, this is a democracy. You win some and you lose some. Quite frankly im glad we have the new ballpark. Its in a more urban downtown setting and it is the envy of the region. It even made WInston-Salem so envious they rushed to build their own downtown ballpark.

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 11:40 am EDT

Sorry 'bout naming the wrong mascot, watcher. I thought people would understand it better in contemporary terms. And you are right that they had had every right to build what they wanted.

I'm not blaming the Bats or the Grasshoppers, though. I, as you, think that it was the taxpayers - mislead though they have been - who doomed WMS.

As for the new stadium, I couldn't agree more. I've attended many games there and enjoy everything about it. That has no bearing on the fact that we are being bad stewards of our history, however.

pragmatist

April 15, 2010 - 10:59 am EDT

Rome has never rebuilt the Coliseum, yet it stands as a testament to Rome's glory.

It appears significant portions of the nearly-century-old concrete would be removed from WMS, but not the seminal elements, including the facade. As a "pragmatist", I'm impressed the City would commit over a million dollars to restore safe functionality to the venue and ensure its viability for decades to come and I don't see a $1.3 million dollar commitment of public funds constituting a "tearing down of War Memorial Stadium".

David Wharton of the War Memorial Stadium Task Force asked this of Rhino Times Editor John Hammer years ago: "If, then, he can explain why it is in the taxypayers' interest to spend millions of dollars on renovating or reconstructing thousands of seats in War Memorial Stadium which will almost certainly remain empty, rather than spending that money on upgrading an appropriate number of seats, locker rooms, restrooms, concession areas, museum, and park amenities in and around the stadium that are likely to be used by Greensboro's citizens and amateur athletes, then I look forward to his explanation." http://littleurbanity.blogspot.com/2006/01/letter-to-rhinoceros-times.ht...

Unless this is about sour grapes- very sour considering the success of NewBridge Bank Park and its promotional impact on the City as a whole- the Aycock neighborhood might find comfort in the City's commitment to the stadium, especially when the municipal budget is facing considerable constraints.

(note: Your wording "North Carolina's premier amateur baseball stadium" matches the wording from the text of an 84-year-old Greensboro Daily News article chronicling the stadium's grand opening in 1926. Was that also stated more contemporarily?)

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 11:44 am EDT

Roch, the term was used by Action Greensboro and the pro-new-stadium forces in 2003.

And Wharton's words were as true then as they are now.

No one is suggesting that the place remain a 5500 seat facility. But it should, at least, contain everything he mentioned.

pragmatist

April 15, 2010 - 1:59 pm EDT

David, you're a leader and a strong advocate for your community. I admire your efforts. And I'm not Roch.

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 6:27 pm EDT

Sorry, prag. And thanks.

drewrachel

April 15, 2010 - 9:38 am EDT

The 1.3 million won't cover much more than the demolition cost. They will leave the facade & the field & put up some bleachers. It's bare bones. Doesn't even have a locker room or concession stand.

citywatcher

April 15, 2010 - 10:08 am EDT

I also find it interesting that some people gripe about the city spending taxpayers dollars on things like the coliseum, the aquatic center ect, but when it comes to their own back yard, they want the city to dish out millions.

dhoggard

April 15, 2010 - 11:50 am EDT

Watcher,

If you are referring to me: I've not griped about spending the coliseum and I supported the aquatic center.

citywatcher

April 15, 2010 - 12:59 pm EDT

actually I wasn't referring to you. My apologies if you took it that way.

think4yourself

April 15, 2010 - 10:33 am EDT

What I don't get is why people can't have a healthy, fruitful conversation when discussing opposing views. It always, always comes down to name calling and hatefulness. Quit acting like 3 year olds and maybe we can find a solution we can all live with.

Brentwood

April 15, 2010 - 1:21 pm EDT

Actually I thought the comments were fairly mild and tame compared to other posts/issues. I didn't see any "name calling" or "hatefulness." Perhaps you were reading the wrong post. =]

tledford

April 15, 2010 - 4:49 pm EDT

Whoa, you must be new around here! This is mild indeed, compared to most online comments at the N&R!

Amanda Lehmert

April 15, 2010 - 11:56 am EDT

Thanks for saying that. I hope you keep coming back and adding to the conversation.

america

April 15, 2010 - 4:05 pm EDT

bhoggard stated correctly that the citizens of Greensboro were promised that the new ballpark had nothing to do with the future rennovations and use of WMS. The citizens were promised that it would not be demolished and that it would be improved to a revitalized ballpark. Of course, you have to believe that those city leaders were telling the truth. But then you'd have to question their commitment and votes over the years to destroy or allow neglect to destroy a memorial to our veterans. Kinda tells you a little about their character and respect for the people that fought and died for them.

swerdna

April 15, 2010 - 5:27 pm EDT

We have not had a raise in 3 years. Our cost of living has gone up drastically and our disposable income has gone down. Our answer to this problem has been to cut back to the bare bones on our spending. We pay for the ESSENTIAL things first (e.g. utility bills, gasoline, food, etc.) By the time everything is paid for each month, there is no money left for the "frills" (e.g. movies, travel, fun stuff, etc.). We do without the things we can do without! When is the government (federal, state, and local) going to learn that in this economy, the "frills" need to wait. If it's not ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, it needs to wait. It's time to do without what can be done without!

mlrs270

April 15, 2010 - 8:12 pm EDT

the city of gso is so screwed with its priorities its pitiful. the money they spend should be for efficient productive services not luxury services. that why i live in winston salem. the city of winston salem makes their citizens pay for yard waste carts and their brush service is picked up every two weeks. by the way you can not bag your yard waste or leaves in winston salem. the city of winston salem only picks up bulk items between march and september. the city of greensboro lets their residents throw out a whole house and expects the solid waste guys to pick it up for nothing. modernize greensboro and get with the times.

laserguidedloogie

April 15, 2010 - 10:45 pm EDT

Why?

nonparieldolls

April 17, 2010 - 10:46 am EDT

From the time a new stadium was first proposed, a solid case was presented about how dilapidated WMS was, to the point of being a danger. So how is it WMS is still being used? Isn't it still just as dilapidated and dangerous, if not even more so, than it was then?? It seems the facts are very elastic -- they can and are stretched this way and that to fit someone's scenario for WMS. I haven't any experience re baseball stadiums, but I do believe conventional wisdom says it's cheaper to start with an existing structure and renovate than to tear down and start over, no? If A & T wants to purchase the stadium and use it, what's wrong with that? Sounds better than just having a few bricks left standing to commemorate the place. Everything in life changes, that's a fact. A stadium that was grand in 1923 can be rather inadequate in 2010. But please don't be in such a rush to throw out our history. Once it's gone, you can't bring it back.

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