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Doug Clark: Send the sagging pants guys to Dubai

Wednesday, April 7, 2010
(Updated 3:00 am)

There aren't many sights more ridiculous than a young man whose pants are drooping down around his knees. The picture says "idiot."

Some people say "there oughtta be a law."

In fact, many localities across the country have written ordinances to prohibit such gross displays of boxer shorts, or worse, usually on grounds of indecent exposure, public nuisance or disorderly conduct.

The courts have struck down some of these statutes, calling them a violation of free expression.

Of course. If the authorities start telling people how they can wear their clothes, or regulate other forms of behavior that the easily offended don't like, you must be in Dubai or somewhere even more aggressively prudish.

The news this week from Dubai, a wealthy city-state that's part of the United Arab Emirates, was shocking: An appeals court upheld a 30-day jail term for a British couple convicted of kissing in public.

This is a major Persian Gulf tourist destination that last year drew more than a million visitors from Britain alone. Not surprisingly, many of them run afoul of the very strict laws there.

My experience in Dubai consists of a few hours in its big and busy airport last September where my son, Andrew, and I waited for connecting flights between New York and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania.

Wisely, I didn't kiss anyone. The airport appeared to be safe ground, anyway, crowded with people of all races and nationalities and wearing all manner of clothing. It wasn't much different from other international airports. The duty-free shops sold liquor, and there was even an Irish pub. God love the Irish; where is there not one?

Still, there were some women on the flight from New York wearing western clothing who changed into conservative Muslim garb before we landed. And, although I didn't have time to explore beyond the airport, I understand that tougher rules apply.

The British media warn travelers to pay attention. Dubai enforces a zero-tolerance policy on drugs, and even some prescription medications are banned. Material considered pornographic is prohibited. Alcoholic beverages are tightly restricted. And, added Sky News Online in a report last month:

"Swearing or making rude gestures is considered to be an obscene act and offenders can be arrested by police.

"Public displays of affection, including kissing and holding hands, could lead to arrest if deemed to be offensive.

"Sex outside marriage is banned and unmarried couples who live together or even share a hotel room are committing an offence, although this is unlikely to be a problem in Dubai. Adultery is illegal.

"In situations other than on the beach or by the swimming pool, a woman's clothing may be considered indecent if it is tight, transparent, above the knee or shows her stomach, shoulders or back. A man should not wear shorts or show his chest. Underwear should not be visible."

While most of us can agree that "underwear should not be visible," translating that and other indiscretions to criminal conduct definitely rubs the wrong way in free societies like ours.

The trouble in this country, though, is that we not only take our freedoms for granted, but we sometimes take them too far -- past the point of common decency.

Interestingly, our destination via Dubai last year, Tanzania, is an East African country where people share many of the same sensibilities that prevail in Dubai and elsewhere in the Middle East. Many Tanzanians are Muslim, especially in the Indian Ocean coastal areas, but not the kind who impose their rules on everyone else.

Still, when visiting, it's wise to learn and respect the protocols -- not for fear of arrest but simply to be a considerate guest.

Women dress modestly. Grown men don't wear shorts or go around shirtless. Men and women don't kiss or even hold hands in public -- it's seen as improper. And, in manners of speech, in personal greetings and in conduct toward one another, people are painstakingly polite. Rudeness is just not acceptable. In these ways, Tanzanians maintain a mostly civil society without arresting anyone. It's very refreshing.

That's what we've lost in our increasingly rude society. We protect the freedom to offend so vigorously that perpetrators think they're welcome to offend.

I might wish some of those saggy pants guys, or people whose speech and manners are rude, crude and just plain offensive, would get a taste of Dubai just once.

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Sawdust

April 7, 2010 - 6:36 am EDT

I've noticed a definite decrease in the problem around here since the "Pants on the ground" video started making the rounds. I start singing it when I run across one of those idiots, always gets a laugh, but not from the pants-wearer.

Panacea

April 7, 2010 - 8:42 am EDT

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

newkid

April 7, 2010 - 9:55 am EDT

When I see middle-aged golfers dressed in ridiculous garb, to me THAT picture says "idiot." But I don't write an editorial about it, because it's just clothing.

Your time and writing skills would be far better spent commenting on people's behavior than their attire.

JParker

April 7, 2010 - 12:15 pm EDT

You darned kids with your music and your hippity-hoppity clothes! Get off my lawn!

Really, grandpa? It's 2010. Young'uns have been wearing their pants like this for nearly twenty years now. Sure, it looks stupid, but most likely so did the clothes you wore when you were their age. If you want to rage against the fashion machine about something that's really offensive then why not take on morbidly obese people in spandex or the dreaded "plumber's crack"?

Doug

April 7, 2010 - 5:24 pm EDT

Thanks for reading. This really was as much about behavior as about clothing.

newkid

April 7, 2010 - 8:39 pm EDT

So now you are saying that people who wear sagging pants necessarily behave badly? Where's your evidence? You are skating on the thin ice of bias here.

May I suggest: apologize for equating dress to intellect (or behavior) and consider it a lesson learned when writing future editorials?

worker ant

April 8, 2010 - 1:25 am EDT

Once a "newkid" job applicant came to the business that my brother and I owned. His pants were sagging and his cap was on backwards. We interviewed him and after he left we didn't mention him for a couple of hours. Finally, my brother asked me what I thought of the young man. I told him that I was not impressed and I felt that the young man had no respect for us and didn't care what we thought of him. My brother agreed with me. I did not feel that this "newkid" would represent us very well when customers came. You can call me biased. I won't apoligize.

newkid

April 8, 2010 - 2:48 pm EDT

worker ant....FYI "newkid" is a white male, over age 40. Your implied assumptions are both biased and wrong.

Doug

April 8, 2010 - 3:29 pm EDT

I don't think worker ant's experience reflects bias or error. It's an honest response to someone who gave little thought to the image his appearance projects.

I was writing in the column about people who assume a right to offend. Newkid, you sound like someone who would encourage people to respect cultural differences. What does that mean to you? To me, it means not dressing or acting in a way that is perceived as offensive within the prevailing culture wherever I happen to be. It's not always easy. Imagine being lefthanded and a dinner guest in a place where it's considered very offensive to eat with your left hand. But if you're aware it's offensive, why would you ignore the protocol?

newkid

April 8, 2010 - 5:00 pm EDT

So Doug, if you visit a large inner-city area, would we expect YOU to wear saggy pants? It would be the cultural norm! ;-)

Seriously, the person you called an idiot in the opening line of your editorial did nothing except offend your sartorial sensibilities. At least "worker ant" had a valid business reason for his objections--i.e. the job candidate's clothing would not project the image that his business wants to convey. I have no problem with that.

My only objection to worker ant's comments was the implication that I–the anonymous "newkid"–must be a saggy pants guy; then labeling the job candidate a ' "newkid" job applicant'. Unstated here is a racial association with saggy pants too. Wrong assumptions: I'm white, my pants don't sag, but I do believe in freedom of expression, including personal appearance.

Your statement about "not dressing or acting in a way that is perceived as offensive within the prevailing culture" might hold water in Dubai, but it doesn't in Greensboro. Dubai is a fairly repressive, religiously intolerant society. Greensboro happens to be part of the United States of America, where freedom of expression is a valued right. What's offensive here is calling someone an idiot because they dress differently.

Doug

April 9, 2010 - 3:11 pm EDT

I was thinking more of Tanzania, which is not a repressive country. People are just more polite in their conduct ... street vendors excepted.

And I am not for enforcing dress codes in this country, except in school.

worker ant

April 9, 2010 - 1:55 pm EDT

newkid, The job applicant was a white male. In saying newkid, I meant that you and job applicant "seemed" to have a shared philosophy. I do wish that I had told the young man that he needed to mind his appearance when job seeking. Also, I honestly thought that you were white. And while we're at it, can you imagine any extremes that you feel are unacceptable, and should not be allowed. How about if you were on a family outing for a picnic at the park, and I (a 54 yr. old male) walked up beside your group with no shirt and pants cut so low that most of my pubic hair was showing? Would you defend my freedom of expression?

left-wing conspiracy theorist

April 11, 2010 - 6:05 am EDT

"I might wish some of those saggy pants guys, or people whose speech and manners are rude, crude and just plain offensive, would get a taste of Dubai just once."

Oh, that's easy. Just tell such person there is some awesome weed in Dubai, and venders sell it openly in public markets for 5 bucks an ounce. He won't know any better. He'll sell the rest of his stash, and head for Dubai.

worker ant

April 12, 2010 - 1:43 am EDT

Great idea lwct, we're on the same page on this one.

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