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Companies see treasure in managing Greensboro's trash

Wednesday, March 10, 2010
(Updated 1:19 pm)

GREENSBORO — You could heat it up and transform it into something useful. Or you could bury it underground and forget about it. What will Greensboro do with its tons of trash?

A handful of companies have lined up to expand and operate the city-owned White Street Landfill — some offering incentives to the landfill’s neighbors for the trouble of living next to the facility. Others have even suggested alternative ways to turn the waste into usable energy.

But it’s anybody’s guess what City Council members will do with the nine proposals received last week to handle the city’s trash disposal system. Council members said they still are reviewing the voluminous proposals.

City Manager Rashad Young said the council will have to start by giving the staff some policy direction because the proposals were so broad.

“It is going to be hard, I think, for us to try to evaluate. How do you weight them?” he said.

City employees collect household trash and take it to a transfer station, where it is packed into large trucks and shuttled 70 miles to a landfill in Mount Gilead — a more expensive, but more politically palatable garbage disposal alternative than using White Street.

The Greensboro-owned, 1,000-acre White Street Landfill has been closed to all but construction debris since neighbors won a long battle with the city.

When the transfer station was less than two years old , some council members began second guessing the 2001 decision to stop using the landfill. Some argued it was a waste of city money when the landfill still has room for trash.

Last year, City Council members put out a broad request to private companies, asking for ideas.

The responses ran the gambit from low- to high-tech options.

And almost all the companies — including large trash management companies Waste Management, Waste Industries, Waste Connections and Advanced Disposal — suggested reopening the White Street Landfill to household trash.

Each recommended various ways to expand and better use the city’s dump .

Some would pay a premium to the neighborhood to use the landfill. Two groups suggested building recreation facilities on closed portions of the landfill.

CICO, led by local businessmen including former council member Bob Mays, would funnel some money into a nonprofit development company to build up land near the landfill.

“It’s using the landfill as an economic development engine, whereas everyone has looked at it as negative for so long,” said Mays, who pushed the council to request trash proposals. “We make it into a positive. We help push toward improvements in the community.”

It’s not clear whether the current City Council, elected late last year, would even consider using the landfill. Some members are opposed to the idea, while others, such as Mayor Bill Knight, have said they want to explore trash options.

Three companies with local ties — CICO, Ulturnagen and MRR Southern — recommended waste-to-energy technologies that would turn some of the trash into usable commodities, such as electricity or fuels.

MRR Southern, the only company that did not want to use the White Street Landfill property, proposed a kind of burning method that would create electricity and leave behind ash.

The company recommended using land, owned by D.H. Griffin, south of Interstate 85 and west of Holden Road.

“If you look at it simply, the cheapest thing to do with waste is throw it in a hole,” said Daniel Moore from MRR Southern. “That’s just not palatable to so many people that I think they need to look at something else.”

It is difficult to tell by comparing the proposals which would save the city money. While some companies recommended fees or profit-sharing methods in their proposals, others said prices could be negotiated after the city chose them.

Young suggested that the city could use an environmental consultant to review the proposals. The City Council could discuss the options as early as its March 16 meeting.

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

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spartan2001

March 10, 2010 - 8:01 am EST

Plasma arc gasification has a negative carbon footprint, generates revenue, produces cheap building materials, generates electricity, and most importantly gets rid of the garbage. But because it's the most logical and reasonable option, the politicians don't take it seriously.

Panacea

March 10, 2010 - 8:06 am EST

Hmm. The companies who aren't willing to say how their proposals will save the city money concern me. We don't want to negotiate a price after accepting their proposal; that's like buying a pig in a poke.

jeaniegnc

March 10, 2010 - 10:13 am EST

The reason given for closing the landfill in the first place was concern over health issues so why are the residents not up in arms about the landfill being opened to household garbage?

Bosco

March 10, 2010 - 10:41 am EST

"Politically palatable" my ass. Reopen the landfill and save us taxpayers some money. Put it to a vote. By the way, I'm going to keep throwing my styrofoam in the brown can. Work a deal with that company in Randleman to take it rather than hauling it to the dump

johnrr7764

March 10, 2010 - 11:04 am EST

Well, there are some numbers given by a few of the proposals. CICO did actually give extensive numbers and costs as well as benefits. They are also using the newest generation of Pyrolysis (advances of Gasification) and the city is not going to pay for these systems. There was actually no one that proposed Plasma Arch systems (as they are extremely expensive and don’t make economic sense). The city really has a choice. Keep doing things the way the Romans did or embrace the new technology by partnering with private companies such as CICO who will build and finance the projects. The new technologies proposed will extend the life of the landfill for 100-200 years and do it in a long-term environmentally friendly manner. Read the CICO proposal. Most of the others are either pipe dreams to get stimulus money or they are short-term solutions to make big money for the landfill companies right now but leave the city of Greensboro and the State of North Carolina holding the bag (of trash, pollution, and toxic mess underground)for others to pay the price 30 years from now. If this is done right everyone can benefit from the right choices and not short-term tricks.

spartan2001

March 10, 2010 - 11:40 am EST

"don’t make economic sense"
Really? Build a facility here that disposes of waste from the entire Triad region, as well as potentially from the Triangle and Charlotte and it's not at all unreasonable to assume that it will be profitable within 5-10 years (assuming capital costs of $150-200 million). Net creation of energy means it would be generating substantial amounts of electricity for local use, perhaps more than a net of 1 megawatt per day. Ideally, the facility would also process the waste already taking up space in our landfills. Contracts with outside municipalities would bring in revenue for disposing of their waste. The by-products of the process would be useful in materials such as road surfacing.
This is just a quick & dirty run-down of its utility. In the future, do a little research before making broad comments that have little grounding in reality. Private companies are searching for test subjects to utilize this technology. Combine their eagerness with plenty of private investment and some regional partnerships and it's not so difficult to scrape together $200 million, even in today's economy. Our "leaders" and citizens just need to stop being so insular. Investors are out there... we just need to grow out of our lazy routine of always doing the same inefficient, ineffective things over and over.

cryptique

March 10, 2010 - 12:53 pm EST

The correct word for your article is gamut not gambit. How can you trust the other facts of the story.

johnrr7764

March 10, 2010 - 1:32 pm EST

No one ever stated that all technologies "don't make economic sense". A system (plasma arc) would be far more than 200 million that would take on all of the regional trash you speak of. There are gasification and more modern pyrolysis systems that do work and there are investors that are out there ready to take on major projects like this. Trust me, I have done my research and know the numbers for different type of waste to energy systems. Greensboro is looking for practical solutions for their MSW issues not to become the regional trash center. You are right, technology is the long-term answer. Local answers for local issues is a better approach rather than large monsters that have to bring trash from all over the state to just cover the costs.

Also, digging up white street landfill to mine it would be crazy and expose the neighborhood to unknown hazards. You do know that there was a major army depot in Greensboro for many years around WWII. They used White Street Landfill. Do you know what is out there, if you do let us know because no one else does. Keep it there and it is safe. Take that stuff and expose it to oxygen and you have a disaster on your hand. Hauling trash all over the state does not really help, but building local facilities to handle local trash it more in line. There are less expensive, more efficient technologies out their than a plasma arc system. No plasma arc was proposed with any numbers for the city to even compare. Lets look at real things that have been built already with EPA data.

DBlair

March 10, 2010 - 1:55 pm EST

Bob Young’s suggestion to get the proposals reviewed by an environmental consultant is a good idea. Waste management is a complex field in which you really need to carefully consider all the implications of any approach you choose.

Right here in Greensboro, we have one of the world’s leading providers of municipal solid waste management solutions. Their primary product is an automated, pneumatic collection and transport system – real gee-whiz technology that delivers substantial economic and environmental benefits. They install these systems in just about every continent on the planet and regularly work with a wide range of companies that specialize in waste processing, so they know more about the latest technologies and techniques than just about anyone. And since the Memios system focuses on collection and transport, rather than processing, they could give us an objective assessment of the proposed solutions.

Somebody on the city staff or city council ought to give Memios a call. It would allow us to get some world-class expertise from folks who are right here in town.

Beachwalk

March 10, 2010 - 10:06 pm EST

"A handful of companies have lined up to expand and operate the city-owned White Street Landfill — some offering incentives to the landfill’s neighbors for the trouble of living next to the facility."

Bad idea. The gang that lives around the White Street landfill has no integrety. They will take the incentives, still complain and try to run you out of business.

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