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Hardin: UNC's fall from grace

Tuesday, March 9, 2010
(Updated 6:47 am)

CHAPEL HILL — Marcus Ginyard stood on the practice floor Monday and seethed. He was surrounded by cameras and note pads, and he didn't particularly enjoy the experience.

Only days away from the ACC tournament, the basketball team at the University of North Carolina isn't having any fun.

Ginyard deflected most of the questions, conducted the entire interview while eating crushed ice and acted as if he'd rather be anywhere else in the world but on the practice floor answering questions.

And then he dropped a bombshell. Asked if he'd had any indication early on that the defending national champions, with one of the top recruiting classes in the country coming into a program that had two titles and three Final Fours in five seasons, could have possibly turned out the way it has, he didn't hesitate.

"Yes," he said.

Ginyard said they knew it from the very beginning, the scars that would never heal, the players that would never come together, the instructions that would be hammered into their heads over and over again that would go unheeded.

"The very first time we stepped on the court together," he said.

He was talking about a scrimmage game back in October, a hastily scheduled trip to Nashville, Tenn., to play Vanderbilt. What happened that day, Ginyard said, has haunted the team all season.

Roy Williams sat in the media room Monday and thought back over an entire year, a season that began with him having shoulder surgery and now comes down to a week in which a rattled and unfocused team must win four games in four days to win the ACC tournament and thus make the NCAA tournament.

Based on the mood in the Carolina program right now, don't count on it.

The season has been a disaster, a wreck from the days after Christmas, when an 11-3 team came apart against Albany. Carolina would win that game, then go down to Charleston a week later and lose. The team has been losing ever since, going into the ACC tournament with a 16-15 record and coming off an 82-50 loss to Duke in which the Blue Devils could have won without scoring a point in the second half.

Williams was asked point blank if he felt he owed North Carolina's spoiled and angry fans an explanation.

"Yes," he said.

Then he said he felt as if he'd already given them one. The truth is, we may never know what happened to this team. We now know this team doesn't like playing together, doesn't listen to its coach and doesn't have the talent to overcome those issues.

"Part of education is teaching," Williams said, "And part of it is learning."

This team hasn't learned. And at times, it seems this team isn't even listening.

Ginyard said that was apparent from the moment it walked onto a court together.

"That was terrible," he said of the Vanderbilt scrimmage. "That was like the whole season right there. That's exactly the way this whole year's gone down."

Vanderbilt won the scrimmage by more than 30 points, and Ginyard said the Tar Heels didn't seem ready to play, didn't even seem all that concerned.

"At the time, you think there's no way we're not even ready to play and got beat by Vanderbilt by 30 points," he said. "It was the very first time we were all playing. It was like, how are we not super-pumped to be playing? As soon as we got back we had a meeting in the locker room. We were like, 'This isn't how it's supposed to go down. We've got to play better than this. We've got to play more together than this, blah, blah, blah.' But again, even more indicative of the year, nothing really changed after that."

Ginyard said the team we've seen this season is exactly the same as that one. But a team coming off a national title with hand-picked recruits, a team with its archrival on the run, a team with a hall of fame coach heading into what everyone knew would be a down year in the ACC?

It was a bizarre year, from the Charleston loss with Williams trying to get his players' attention with one arm after the surgery, to the strange ejection of a fan during the Presbyterian game, to the unfortunate comments about Haiti, to the silver uniforms and finally a 32-point loss to Duke and a 10th seed for the cocktail party.

The irony, of course, is that the Heels now have to win the cocktail party to save the season. The reality is there is no way that will happen. We might not have known that from the beginning. But they did.

Contact Ed Hardin at 373-7069 or ed.hardin@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

Photo Caption: N.C. State's Jordan Vandenberg (right) and Carolina's Ed Davis fight for possession of the ball during a game Jan. 26.

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nemo0037

March 9, 2010 - 7:41 am EST

I've felt a lot of empathy for Carolina this season -- I know that must sound strange coming from a lifelong Duke fan. But we've been through hard times and I know how it feels. It seems sad, really to read this article. The thing is, these kids have done this to themselves. And they have the choice to fix their problems, or keep on losing. If they don't fix their problems, then everyone they meet will be happy to oblige them with more whippings.

Myself, I'd prefer to have a strong rival to play against. Beating UNC this year means a LOT less than it used to. Get strong, guys -- Duke needs you! :-)

Bilbo

March 9, 2010 - 10:17 am EST

...I agree about empathy for the players...I have none for their Wal-Mart fans who, besides being fair-weather fans, are among the most arrogant fans in the country...relying on past history and pointless nostalgia to get through this debacle of a season....still claiming some air of superiority...when they can learn to be gracious in winning and humble in defeat, then I will cut the Carowhina fans some slack....

truth

March 9, 2010 - 10:52 am EST

I've seen very little tarheel attire and you wouldn't even know their was a basketball season this year if you hang around carolina fans.

They are the only team I've seen where the fans don't get loud until the game is in hand.

I have no empathy for them at all. If they lost every game for the next 30 years, I'd be cool with that.

Voice of Reason

March 9, 2010 - 1:22 pm EST

Completely agree. Their fans are the worst, the most arrogant. Whenever they lose, their first instinct is to gloat about past successes rather than focus on the now. You'd think they could just be happy with the fact they are perhaps the most popular school in the country, that people all over the world, many who have never seen an NCAA basketball game, wear Carolina blue jerseys or Yankee hats. No, its never enough for the arrogant, ignorant Tarheel fans. UNC, this IS your season- bask in it. I only hope there are many like it to follow in the future.

BRillz

March 9, 2010 - 2:05 pm EST

I'm a huge Carolina fan and I understand perfectly the joy that Carolina haters are getting from this season. But if anybody's arrogant or ignorant, it's the ABCers who say Carolina fans are fair weather. This has been a painful season, and maybe some bandwagoners have hopped off, but if you think the faithful aren't still there in large, large numbers, and that our collective basketball IQ is lower than other schools' fan bases, I think the nicest way to put it is that your judgement is questionable. We've taken a lot of whippings this year [I think Dook now has a higher aggregate point total over the last five games at Cameron even though we won four of 'em], and haven't seemed to learn much from any of them, but I can't let anybody say we don't still love our school and our team. And you know darn well that we will be back. Don't you?

Pam

March 11, 2010 - 5:13 pm EST

Well said. Leave it to Duke fans to accuse Carolina fans of being arrogant, rude, obnoxious and dumb. That's the pot calling the kettle black. UNC's true fans are all still here, I still love my team, and I still wear my Carolina attire. Where were the Duke fans when their team was having a bad decade?

tcruise42

March 12, 2010 - 2:55 pm EST

if i were you dook fans i would,nt worry about carolina because next year were gonna throw a couple of beat downs on you pathetic dook bluedevils.an another thing you got everybody back we lost 5 players so by all rights dook should have beat carolina enjoy this year morons next year we start bringing the pain back to your house in durham!!

kvegasheel

March 9, 2010 - 11:30 am EST

nm

kvegasheel

March 9, 2010 - 10:58 am EST

Hey ed why not use the actualy quotes the guy gave you instead of sensationalizing and paraphrasing. I have seen the transcripts from the interview and i think that you owe Marcus and all Carolina fans an apoligy for this CRAP you are calling journalism.

Bilbo

March 9, 2010 - 12:41 pm EST

Kvegasheel...well either you conducted the interview (reliable), were there when it was being conducted (unreliable) or have read the transcripts from the original interview(reliable-but not as reliable as option #1)..which is it???? If yhou conducted the interivew why didn't YOU publish it....If you were there-then your take is exactly that-your take...and if you read the transcripts, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind sharing with the rest of us and letting us judge for ourselves....link please in this instance...otherwise, you just come off as another crybaby Carowhina fan who can dish it out, but can't take it....

screamin

March 9, 2010 - 11:22 am EST

No empathy - no sympathy - have loved every single glorious minute of the holes fall from grace and here's hoping it continues into the ACCT with NO post season play for all those McDonald's All Americans dressed in baby blue (or silver lol) and their whiny coach - GO YELLOWJACKETS!!

bar3006

March 9, 2010 - 2:56 pm EST

Could not have happened to a more deserving team. After all, Ol Roy don't have to get out and beat the path to persude players to come to Carolina. He always gets the Best out there, granted there are great players that cannot meet UNC's requirements. therefore they win year in year out. Everyones knows how hard it is to pull for a winner. So this great state is full of Tarholes. So now poor Roy cannot get his all star class that HE recruited to play ball. Sure injuries have hit them, deal with it it's part of the game, and what is this deal with MR Basketball from last Year showing up at all the UNC home games. shows he's a minnow in a sea of sharks. To teh Tarhole Nation:
The Sun don't shine on the same dogs butt everyday! so Watch the NIT on teh big screen in Chapel Thrill.
Notaheel

TeamCarolina

March 9, 2010 - 4:25 pm EST

I wonder how much Dook paid Ed to write this story. He has always been anti Carolina and this sorry piece of journalism proves it. Go Heels...........DOOK SUCKS

overtaxed

March 9, 2010 - 10:38 pm EST

TeamCarolina, I work with someone related to Ed. Ed's relative told me several years ago that Ed went to NC State where he under-acheived and has basically mooched off his in-laws ever since.

FEdHardin

March 10, 2010 - 2:41 am EST

Hardin, this is some of the most irresponsible journalism I've seen. Ginyard did not say half of the crud you wrote and you purposely wrote in a way to mislead your readers. Enjoy getting your extra hits by hurting a GREAT kid in Marcus Ginyard.

uncscott08

March 10, 2010 - 9:31 am EST

Shock jock journalism at its best. Shabby journalism in the name of internet page hit counts. Irresponsible and credibility shaking articles like this are an embarrassment to NC journalists. - UNC School of Journalism and Mass Communcations Alumnus

From the staff at Inside Carolina: "Only a few reporters were present when Ginyard said this (it was later in the media session), and IC wasn't one of them, but we're investigating and talking to those that were there. Again, so far this looks like a writer who isn't regularly around the team taking some leaps with the quotes he got. No doubt there were problems with this team from the get-go, but the author doesn't appear to be accurately reflecting what Ginyard told him."

mikey11

March 11, 2010 - 1:05 pm EST

I have been a Carolina fan for many many years. I have watched several games this year and turned off several games after it was clear what the outcome would be. I am not a coach, only played sandlot basketball as a kid, but I can tell you this....Roy Williams will have his team back in the limelight, and soon. I realize some of you ABC'ers out there have truly enjoyed this year, which is to be expected. I will continue to pull for UNC, and will continue to abhor duke fans, which are THE MOST OBNOXIOUS fans in college sports.

jdspringer

March 11, 2010 - 2:54 pm EST

For all those claiming Ed Hardin misrepresented what Marcus Ginyard said, here is what is posted on the official UNC Web site (tarheelblue.cstv.com):

Two weeks after media day, Williams's team had a closed scrimmage against an outside opponent. They were clearly outplayed, leading to a players-only meeting when the team returned to Chapel Hill.

"That scrimmage was terrible," Marcus Ginyard said. "That was the whole season right there in that scrimmage. It was exactly the way this whole year has gone down. We were playing a good team and we weren't ready to play when we got there. We got our butt kicked the very first time we stepped on the court together."

It's easy now to say there should have been some early warning signs from the disappointing trip. But the Tar Heels opened the regular season by winning four straight games, including a 47-point shellacking of North Carolina Central and a 77-73 win over talented Ohio State in New York City. Even by mid-January, Carolina stood 12-4 and 1-0 in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Soon after, though, the problems that had first been evident in the preseason began to emerge. In the wake of last Saturday's 32-point debacle in Durham, Ginyard harkened back to the team's first exposure against another team.

"We were like, `There is no way we can get beat by 30 points the very first time we're playing,'" he said. "How are we not super-pumped to be playing? As soon as we got back we had a meeting in the locker room. We said, `This is how it's supposed to go down. We have to play better than this and more together than this.' Even more indicative of the year, nothing really changed after that."

Which of those quotes are any different from what Ed wrote? You may not like what Ginyard and Ed had to say, but it's right there and blue and white on UNC's official Web site.

jdspringer

March 16, 2010 - 5:06 pm EDT

Still nothing from the UNC fans explaining how the quotes directly from the UNC Web site are any different from what Ed Hardin wrote.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

tcruise42

March 12, 2010 - 2:57 pm EST

this guy ed hardin everybody knows he loves dook anyway what else would you expect his idiot self to print, get a freaking life ed hardin!

goduke92

March 15, 2010 - 1:25 pm EDT

Look, from where I sit Hardin is just telling it like it is. Have any of you so-called true blue fans read anything out the Charlotte Observer or the Raleigh paper? Talk about one-sided journalism! Tarhole nation, do what I do either read it or don't, but don't pretend that every article every written has to have a baby blue slant to it. We all know, at least those of us that have some objectivity to us, that the journalism in this state is slanted towards UNC. Ed's perspective, for me, is quite refreshing. Thanks Ed.

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