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Reforms considered for Oak Hill

Sunday, March 7, 2010
(Updated 7:05 am)

HIGH POINT —To get to Oak Hill Elementary in High Point, you pass shuttered factories, empty storefronts and worn-down neighborhoods of homes with plywood where windows once were.

That’s one reason teachers at Oak Hill refer to their school as a diamond in the rough.

Some education officials believe that only drastic reforms can restore the struggling school’s luster. Superintendent Maurice “Mo” Green is expected to recommend the district apply for a federal grant that could be worth as much as $2 million to help reform the school.

Among the steps being considered: closing Oak Hill, turning it over to a group like a charter school, removing its principal or replacing at least half of its teachers.

The district can apply for the grant because Oak Hill made a list of the nation’s worst performing schools.

Oak Hill teachers were stunned when they found out.

“My heart dropped,” Jennifer McClinton said. “I could not believe we were one of the lowest. It kind of hurt because we’d been working so hard.”

McClinton teaches first grade at the school and, like many of her co-workers, she believes the reforms the school district already has implemented are getting good results, they just need to be given time and more support.

It isn’t clear how effective these broad reforms are, according to some education experts. It’s also unclear how much support the grant proposal and reform plans might get from the Guilford County Board of Education.

Board member Garth Hebert said the Oak Hill staff should not be blamed for the school’s lack of success. He wants a plan from district officials that does not make them scapegoats.

Oak Hill is one of 10 Guilford County Schools designated by the state as low performing. Only about 24 percent of its students scored proficient in reading on state exams last year, and 39 percent were proficient in math. Those scores were a slight improvement over the previous year.

Nearly half of the student body speaks English as a second language, and more than 98 percent live in poverty.

School board Chairman Alan Duncan said he has never been comfortable with some of the consequences for schools under No Child Left Behind, the federal program that sets mandates and provides funding for schools like Oak Hill.

“On the other hand, if we have a consistently low-performing school, we need to get a handle on what the issues are and what are the best approaches,” he said.

Duncan said he could support meaningful reform in those schools so long as there is a deep understanding of the challenges they face. He also said the faculty at Oak Hill should not blamed for a lack of effort, saying most likely would do well at another Guilford County school.

“I have no doubt that the principal and the staff are working very hard on behalf of their students,” he said.

Principal Sara Roberts has said she is willing to step aside if asked but doesn’t want to go.

Efforts to reach school board member Carlvena Foster, whose district includes Oak Hill, were unsuccessful.

The school reform debate has heated up in recent years with the implementation of No Child Left Behind under President George W. Bush and now with initiatives such as the reform grant from the Obama administration.

The Central Falls School District in Rhode Island announced last month it would replace every teacher at its lowest performing high school. The district intends to apply for the same type of grant that Guilford County may pursue. President Barack Obama supported Central Falls’ decision.

Amos Quick, school board vice-chairman, said these schools must be turned around but there isn’t time for experimentation.

“I think that everyone is looking at reform or trying a lot of reform ideas out,” Quick said. “Unfortunately, a lot of these ideas have a punitive aspect to them and blame has to be placed somewhere. It is the duty of our system that we teach our students to learn, and when that doesn’t happen, it’s the student’s that suffer.”

Some experts caution that broad reforms may not be the solution. Betty Epanchin, associate dean of teacher education at UNCG’s School of Education, said school reforms are necessary in many cases but the problems are complicated with few simple solutions.

“What’s been more effective is working with people to teach them the skills they don’t have and supporting them so they can become more capable,” Epanchin said.

Schools may need to target individual teachers and students for reform, Epanchin said, to get to the root cause of why things aren’t working.

Research has shown that poverty and limited language proficiency are hurdles for students, Epanchin said, but they aren’t impossible hurdles.

“They (successful schools) have high expectations. The teachers feel secure in trying what they feel is best for the kids,” she said. “You’ll find that the teachers talk a lot among themselves and support each other.”

Oak Hill teachers say that sort of thing is going on at the school, and they praise the reform efforts the district installed this year. Students are grouped by their reading, writing and math skills to create a grade-level class. Students who show growth are moved to the higher performing class. If they need more help, they’re moved back.

The teachers say they’ve moved more children up than back.

Julie Van Arsdale said her daughter Skye is learning and doing well. She loves her teachers, and Van Arsdale said she doesn’t want to see them taken out of the school.

“Skye is so smart and that’s because of what they do,” she said.

Van Arsdale makes time to talk with Skye’s teacher every Friday when she comes to have lunch with her. That’s the kind of involvement the teachers say is needed but almost impossible for many of their students’ parents.

“Most of the families I work with want to see their children get a good education and value a good education, but they can’t help them,” said Melissa Peace, a fourth-grade teacher.

Parent support is essential to successful school reform, Epanchin said. She noted that not every student at the school is failing; some, like Skye, are succeeding.

“The successful schools have really found a way to connect with their families,” she said. “It doesn’t mean they have to be there at the school bringing cupcakes to you, but they need to feel valued.”

Oak Hill parents and teachers will have a chance to weigh in on the debate Tuesday. District officials are scheduled to meet with teachers in the afternoon and then with parents at

6:30 p.m. District officials said they expect to make a recommendation to the school board in April.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Oak Hill Elementary School

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succeed

March 7, 2010 - 9:05 am EST

High Point University needs to partner with Oak Hill. With Nido's proven track record and the rescources of a motivated student body he should be able to turn Oak Hill around.

Maybe then the next article will be about the great performance of Oak Hill.

snowman

March 7, 2010 - 10:33 am EST

Sara Roberts is a disgrace to the education system. Thank god she left Southern Elementary, and for the parents and students at Oak Hill Elementary I feel for you. Good Luck!

The only place that Sara Roberts needs to work, is in a basement with rats..............................

theroadrunner

March 7, 2010 - 12:38 pm EST

That's a bit harsh. She's working with immigrants here. She has no support from the parents (you remember them in the news a few months ago fighting?!?!?). Any principal cursed with that school was doomed to fail. Joe Clark himself couldn't raise scores over there. This is an issue that money and new staff won't fix. that $2 million is better spent elsewhere in the county.

snowman

March 7, 2010 - 12:50 pm EST

NO EXCUSE

Hantra

March 8, 2010 - 12:53 pm EST

Easy for you to say. You should try and teach a kid who barely speaks English, AND has parents who don't lift a finger to help them learn. We all saw the video of the Oak Hill parents. These people aren't working WITH their kids, most are working AGAINST the teachers. How does a few million more dollars overcome that issue?

HenryBowman

March 7, 2010 - 8:14 pm EST

Wow. What an intelligent post. Take a low blow swipe at the principal. Do your parents know you're using the computer tonight?

stafford5465

March 7, 2010 - 5:38 pm EST

A new Principal is in order. She may have tried very hard and worked long hours, but it is obvious it is not working.

special

March 7, 2010 - 7:22 pm EST

Before anyone throws more stones at the Principal and/or Teachers at Oak Hill Elementary...Please take a moment to go to Oak Hill and take a walk in their shoes. Volunteer there for a day, week, or a month. See what the teachers and Principal do each day. Then, if what you see still doesn't live up to your expectations of a good elementary school....say what you need to say. However, I guarantee that what you see will amaze and inspire you and make you want to go back to help more.

CoachClark

March 7, 2010 - 9:21 pm EST

I don't think we are looking at the whole picture in our schools. This is a two way sword, teachers who pass the kids anyway and parents who don't work with their kids at home. Mr. Green can pump 5 million dollars into this school the bottom line is that this is not equality education in our school systems. Half of these kids are in broken homes and 75% of this school is black and Hispanic. In my opinion it starts with the head of the sneak. These teachers don't have the right leadership and for that reason they do the minimum and for that our kids suffer. How about cutting back on the principals salary and new positions for the principals in this county that in the 6 digits. That will cut out 2 million right there! The bottom line is this, the people that should be teaching our kids won't do it and for whatever reason that is I know for a fact that our problem in the school system will never change.

special

March 7, 2010 - 10:29 pm EST

Again...walk a mile in the shoes of a teacher from Oak Hill. Appreciate the family time they give up each evening and each weekend to plan detailed lessons to teach that will reach each and every student in the class. They often put the school and students above the needs of their own families for the success of the school. They don't do the minimum. They have to do more. They have to teach a class made up of students who mostly speak languages other than English. I'd say that's pretty tough work. Not only do they have to teach a child to read...they have to teach the child the English language first. Quick said. "It is the duty of our system that we teach our students to learn, and when that doesn’t happen, it’s the student’s that suffer.” The students that don't speak English when they enroll at Oak Hill finish the school year speaking English. I'd say that they were taught and that they learned. They may not be reading on grade level or passing the end of grade tests, but would you expect them to? I wouldn't. That would be a pretty tall order. No amount of new leadership or money can change that fact.

amosquick

March 8, 2010 - 2:04 pm EST

Very well said. One of the problems with current educational legislation is that it primarily uses a pass/fail evaluation, not accounting for growth or other measures of success.

The Legislative Committee of the Board of Education is working very hard to advocate at the state and national level that much more credit is given to schools and teachers that achieve tremendous academic growth for students.

This is a very difficult debate and one that is happening all over the country. If you have time, I invite you (and anyone else interested in doing so) to share your remarks to the entire Board at one of our meetings. The next one is tomorrow night at 6pm at 712 N. Eugene Street in Greensboro.

God bless,
Amos Quick

DaveW

March 8, 2010 - 12:09 am EST

Amos Quick should volunteer at Oak Hill himself and then shut up and let the staff there keep trying their best. It sounds like a very trying and tough situation for them.I hope these teachers do not suffer from burnout when they bust their tails only to gather more second guessing and criticism.As a teacher myself, I wish I had the time to just crunch numbers and second guess.

amosquick

March 8, 2010 - 1:51 pm EST

Dave -

This is Amos Quick. First of all, thank you for helping to teach the children of Guilford County (if in fact you are in Guilford County). As I have at many of the schools in our district, I will be volunteering at Oak Hill tomorrow morning at 7:30am and I have already spoken with staff members from this school. I can't promise you that I will shut up though.

I invite you to call me at (336) 235-0345 and provide me with the insight that you think is missing on this debate. I genuinely am interested in getting your views.

God bless,
Amos Quick, III

DaveW

March 9, 2010 - 10:56 am EST

Mr. Quick
I am favorably impressed that you are going to volunteer at Oak Hill.
This will be a very positive thing for their staff I am sure.
This I hope will help the morale of the staff which in turn will keep them motivated to keep their focus under trying conditions.

CoachClark

March 8, 2010 - 4:34 am EST

Special, you act like these teachers didn't choose this profession. Please wake up and smell our society. Unless you've been in the school during its function then you will never know what really goes on. I have been in the school during the function hours and I will tell you first hand that it's the teachers and the parents fault. Your facts are being bias towards the Hispanic community. I commend them because they are at least going to be ahead of the game being able to speak both languages. OK! if it's so tough to work there why not do this; go to another school! Can't do that though right! Let someone hungry come in and teach these kids. I said it once and I will say it again the principals don't do enough and there needs to be some type of cooperative curriculum that helps our kids not NCLB as if you even know what that is. Speaking English that's my least worry passing them because you don't want to deal with them again is a treat.

HenryBowman

March 8, 2010 - 10:07 am EST

CoachClark must be a PE teacher because you're overlooking a key fact in your rant. If the kids don't speak English when they arrive at school, you've got to first teach them English so they can understand the math you're trying to teach them. I guess its much easier when you "teach" PE since every kid knows how to run and jump when they get to school.

CoachClark

March 8, 2010 - 4:56 pm EST

Mr. Bowman I am not a PE teacher to be exact but I am African American and to be truthful if this was Southwest elementary this issue would have been euhemerized. See for me its clear its outsiders like you Mr. Bowman who sit around and make comments without even knowing the actual real issues at hand. Math is universal and quite easier to teach so you must be principal who sits around and allow teachers to hand pick their kids. Afraid you might loose one them to Northwest or Ragsdale etc. Or maybe you teach a great class with two minorities with loving parents. No problems there right! This is a simple teacher issue that will be handled by Mr. Quick. I do have great faith in him and I know what goes on. I am not guessing like some of you are. I know facts! Get ride of the tenured and your test scores will go up. Mr. Bowman have a great day and please stop watching fox news its affecting your critical thinking. I love all y'all and I have enjoyed this debate! God bless!

HenryBowman

March 8, 2010 - 5:41 pm EST

I can hardly read your reply. Next time maybe you can proof read that or use a grammar and spell checker? Thank God you're not a teacher.

Why did you bring your race into it? Why does it have to be about race? How do you know that I'm an outsider? To purport to know all the facts you sure do make lots of assumptions.

Amazingly enough though, you did skirt around the root problem with Oak Hill. By and large the parents don't care. And if the parents don't care the kids probably won't care. And guess what... that's has absolutely nothing to do with race.

In the future, maybe you should listen less to the news, and see the real world for what it is instead of some newscasters interpretation of it.

CoachClark

March 8, 2010 - 9:25 pm EST

Mr. Bowman I would have to admit that you are right about my grammar and maybe my spell check. I will not stoop to your level and insult you because you are intransigent about this issue. I won't get into my personal life or education because now that you know my race its obvious that whatever is said will not go into the direction of our kids. Henry even with my grammar, I am not as dumb as you think and like I said before this school is 75% African American or in your household colored and Hispanic. Are you familiar with the different types of learners? Maybe different cultures learn in different styles. No, Mr. Bowman I am not a teacher but an educator and I have a 85% on my EOC's. I need to sharpen up on my typing too right? This is a fact, this is about race! If you don't understand that, well your not African American. Less education creates problems. I have been at the school and spoke with some of the parents and I have also listened to teachers talk. I don't watch the news that much. I will leave you with this Mr.Bowman E pluribus Unum look it up so you will know what it is and maybe you will get a hint about what I do teach. That is what is missing at that school and maybe the next time you need to hide behind the computer stop by the school and give back to the kids since your grammar is so perfect.

HenryBowman

March 8, 2010 - 9:57 pm EST

You bring up race and according to you everything is based on race and you call me the racist? Get your head out of your ass and get an education. Your teachers definitely failed you.

special

March 9, 2010 - 10:55 am EST

According to the Guilford County School's Website and the Oak Hill Elementary School Improvement Plan posted there, Oak Hill's student population for the 2008/2009 school year was as follows: 45% Hispanic, 25% African American, 12% Asian, 6% White, and 6% Multi-racial. Along with a wealth of diversity, there are 17 different languages spoken with the majority speaking Spanish.

special

March 8, 2010 - 10:49 pm EST

Coach..FYI I have been a teacher in Guilford County Schools for 13 years. I hold a Master’s degree and am Highly Qualified. I chose this profession and choose to work in a highly impacted school with students who are transient, speak English as a second language; live in poverty, and children from all ethnic groups. Let me reiterate that for you…I CHOSE TO WORK WITH THESE POPULATIONS, as do the teachers at Oak Hill Elementary. Teachers aren’t “placed” at schools by Human Resources; they chose the school where they think they can make a difference, and where they can impact the lives of the children in a positive way.

Now…Please don’t preach to me about No Child Left Behind. I am very much aware of it’s implications for our schools. Oh, and BTW…the individual schools don’t get to chose whether or not to abide by the NCLB regulations and come up with a cooperative curriculum instead like you mentioned….it’s a federal mandate.

As you stated in another post… you are not a teacher but an educator. Before you start talking about things you don’t know about or understand fully (Cooperative Curriculum and NCLB) or criticize teachers who are under enormous amounts of stress, go to college and get your teachers license. Then come back and be that awesome teacher who is “hungry” to teach these students, make a difference, and improve their test scores.

CoachClark

March 9, 2010 - 5:13 am EST

Special,
Go to college! If you look at my other post I mentioned my EOC’s. Special, if you get a chance today pick up the Winston Salem Journal. It reads “U.S. education department aims to increase efforts to ensure racial equality in schools.” I don’t have to be hungry because this was my calling. Also (FYI), I have my state boards but I am not here to boost about credentials, you mentioned don’t preach about NCLB but who is it really affecting? You also spoke of the 13 year experience well, you know just as well as I do that these tenured teachers teach to their likings. I am commenting about this school only because I have surveyed it! I am not deaf and I know what I have heard at this school from the teachers there. On a lighter note, you really sound sincere about your craft. I am not attacking the teachers just the structure of the curriculum which comes from them. If your style doesn’t work well; maybe you need to switch it up. I know all about curriculums because I teach in different styles. I also know that allowing students to be informative help sometimes, but at the same time does teaching the test help? You say NCLB as if that is not the problem! Special, I am not a racist; I would like to see the truth be told about the social unbalance that is in our school system. I hate it because when they get to high school Hell, they’re writing in 26 font. If am a deaf well, you must be blind! Forget choosing the school; appoint some teachers there to fix it. You are the second person to offend me about my education. Don’t be so afraid to teach my culture and do it with passion like you do your kid, that’s all I ask. I am done with school and I give back to the roughest communities all the time. Enlightenment isn’t that what this is all about!

HenryBowman

March 9, 2010 - 6:46 am EST

Special... please don't waste your time trying to rationalize with this idiot anymore. You are obviously a teacher and he is obviously not but according to him he knows far more about it than you because he has "observed". Moreover, if you happen to disagree with him you must be racist.

My hats off to all of you teachers for the jobs that you do and the idiots that you have to put up with!

NRstillSUXX

March 8, 2010 - 8:48 am EST

Of course no one blames the lax immigration policies or the black fatherless homes...

Nonononononononononono....

www.davidduke.com

amosquick

March 8, 2010 - 1:57 pm EST

Please know that the school district is in the process of addressing the very issue of father involvement in the educational lives of their children. Please keep your eyes and ears open for information about this very important initiative.

As it stands now, the district has initiated the Parent University "program" in an effort to identify and assist parents in helping attain the best educational outcomes for their/our children.

God bless,
Amos Quick

CoachClark

March 8, 2010 - 9:36 pm EST

NR, you and Mr. Bowman got to be friends! Mr. Bowman hook up to his site www.davidduke.com, I am sure you would love this!

Hantra

March 9, 2010 - 9:23 am EST

Aren't you up kinda late for a school night? I guess your mommy and daddy are much like the Oak Hill parents.

Garth

March 9, 2010 - 11:49 am EST

Please take this as offered, skin color and fatherless/motherless children are an issue, but as someone who appreciates a good discussion of facts, let me say race has no claim on this issue. The number of fatherless/ motherless youth in our schools will tear your heart out. Fatherless, Motherless, Homeless, refugees, orphans, none of these kids control their own situation, they are the beneficiaries of circumstance, and as I have often told these youth, life sucks so suck it up and make the best of what you get. No, I do not condone bad behavior, vulgarity or offensive disrespectful actions of youth, but some of “cultured” behavior must be taught by peers and mentors whether they be teacher or friend. They do not need blame or shame for their circumstances these kids need solutions and opportunities, mentors, examples, leaders etc. and our society needs to learn the BLESSINGS of serving others or there is no hope for this great nation! Go Amos!

PanaceaFan

March 8, 2010 - 10:29 am EST

We really need to hear from Carlvena Foster. It is her district. Actually, there appear to be about 5 of the 10 lowest performing schools that fall in her district. That seems to indicate there are bigger problems that need to be addressed in District 1 than just Sara Roberts effectiveness. Garth Hebert has been a strong voice for the district, now Carlvena needs to shed some light on the issue.

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