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Fires still an issue at Eastern High, other schools

Saturday, February 6, 2010
(Updated 3:00 am)

GREENSBORO — The number of fires reported at Guilford County Schools has increased in recent years, with more set at Eastern Guilford High than at any other school, according to the district.

Fire officials attribute much of the increase to school officials being more likely to report fires than in the past.

Still, the numbers are cause for concern.

“I think if you look at the numbers, there are enough incidents to say we have an issue with fires,” said Alan Perdue, director of Guilford County emergency services.
In particular, officials are alarmed that fires continue to pop up at Eastern High. An unsolved arson destroyed that school in 2006.

There have been five intentionally set fires reported at Eastern since the start of the 2007-08 school year, according to the school district. That includes a period from 2007 to 2009, when the school operated out of mobile classroom units.

Across the district, there were seven intentional fires reported during the 2007-08 school year and four the following year. But there have been 11 so far this school year, officials said.

Of those, three involved the burning of school property.

The number of campus fires recorded by fire officials appears to be even higher than the number reported by the school district.

The Greensboro Fire Department alone reports responding to 20 intentionally set fires at schools during 2009.

Anthony Scales, the school district’s school safety director, didn’t know what caused the discrepancies in numbers, but he said fire officials could be including fires the state does not require school districts to report.

Most fires are not set maliciously, Scales and Perdue said. Many are caused by students discarding still-smoldering cigarettes or kids playing with fire.
Students don’t realize how quickly and easily a small fire can become a big problem, Scales said.

A student set a fire at High Point Central earlier this year that Scales said was nearly a dangerous situation.

“With a fire, it’s just hard to say that with a minor incident you never know when it will become a major incident,” he said.

Scales said principals are making students aware of the dangers and punishments associated with setting fires at school, but it’s still hard to curb the behavior.

Students are getting caught and charged for the fires but despite that, and despite the presence of video cameras in many schools, students continue to cause fires. 
“I can only guess they do it to disrupt the school day, to get the day off,” Scales said.

Perdue started meeting with principals and other school district officials about two years ago to push them to report all fires at schools.

He said that small fires that were dealt with without calling the fire department were going unreported.
Perdue said the school district needs to hear out the concerns of fire officials.

“In some areas there’s certainly some work that needs to be done,” he said.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com 

Accompanying Photos

Joseph Rodriguez (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Principal Dr. Travis Reeves (left) speaks to students, staff and friends before the school opened in May.

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Panacea

February 6, 2010 - 8:41 am EST

Why are they not expelling students who get caught setting a fire, malicious or not? Making the parents pay the repair bill? Make a few very public examples, and that ought to fix the problem.

Thinkb4uspeak

February 6, 2010 - 1:13 pm EST

Why are you assuming they're not expelling these students? The hard part is catching the students, or didn't you read that part of the article?

Making the parents pay isn't really an option as that requires court costs and other issues and 9 times out of 10 the family won't have the money to pay. Would you really want to put a family in debt for the rest of their lives because of one stupid kid?

Making public examples of wrong-doers may have worked in the Old West, or Jim Crow South, but we modern folk like to think about the big picture. Let's stay more vigilant about keeping kids in the classroom and not wandering the halls in the first place. Let's get more parent involvement in schools, I guarantee those kids starting fires have parents that only step in the school if they have to. Let's get more volunteers from the community in our schools, when kids see that parents and the community care about their schooling it's more likely that they will too.

So, if you really want to fix our schools, stop complaining about them and do something.

Panacea

February 6, 2010 - 4:46 pm EST

you might indulge your own namesake.

I did read it: they do catch them. However, the article doesn't mention consequences for those caught. Either the question wasn't asked, or school officials declined to answer.

Yes, making the parents pay is an option! Parents are responsible for what their children do. If a sixteen year old kid breaks into my car, and I catch him, then I can and will sue the parents to recover my damages. There is NO reason why the school system should not do this.

If the parents can't pay, they can get their wages garnished. That's what would happen if the parents divorced, and one was awarded alimony. "But I don't have any money" is not an excuse or a reason not to pay your bills.

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of parental involvement. But you can't force parents to get involved. Teachers can't force kids to stay in the classroom; we've taken that power away from them. Getting the community to show they care is a great idea--I'm all for it--but kids also need to learn that actions have consequences. I guarantee you that if an adult sets a fire (accidentally or on purpose) there will be both civil and criminal consequences.

If you really want to fix our schools, teach and enforce accountability and personal responsibility.

Brandon Burgess

February 6, 2010 - 5:08 pm EST

GCS students have told me that this year administrators are doing all they can to not expel students at all, including students who are suspended constantly and return to school and consistently disrupt the learning environment. Of course, it doesn't matter. If a kid brings a loaded gun to school, they can return to that same school in 365 days.

Panacea

February 6, 2010 - 7:23 pm EST

It's policies like this that are the reason our educational system has fallen apart.

JackK

February 8, 2010 - 9:51 am EST

I don't think a student has been expelled since the merger of the three systems. I remember BOE attorney, Jill Wilson, making the point that if a child is "expelled" then they can reapply to school after six months; she suggested that long-term suspension could last for 365 days. What isn't clear is whether a student expelled who reapplies has to be automatically accepted back to school. I would think that the BOE could stand by the expulsion if they so desired. If the BOE won't go after parents whose children charge lunch for an entire school year, why would they go after parents whose child started a fire. Remember, even if a fire did little or no damage, the panic which might ensue could severely injure many students and staff members; that's the other side of "little" fires being started.

Garth

February 8, 2010 - 10:30 am EST

There is both truth and fiction here. Yes we have a revolving door, why: because school Board members are not informed of these instances by those with credible information. We are a safety vent, yes by law we have to educate all children but we do not have to do it in a traditional environment. Every principal is responsible for the safety of their school and if they feel coerced in compromising that safety I want to know asap. Yes, mistakes are made, we need help in correcting them. Sadly fire starters need to realize the seriousness of the offense and principals need to be made aware when we transfer them in the district. This also goes for all who we know pose a potential threat, staff must help our principals ensure the safety of our stewardships, both students and facilities.

Interested

February 7, 2010 - 8:11 am EST

Making the parents pay isn't an option? Are you kidding? It's an option if they damage a neighbor's property. It's an option if they damage property while driving. It's an option if they damage any other piece of public property. Why should the school be any different?

As to 9 out of 10 families won't have the money, I doubt that. Unless 90% of families in Guilford county are below poverty level, this is just patently false. Unless of course, you are making an assumption about the culprits. "Johnny comes from a good (i.e. wealthy) family. He wouldn't be involved in something like that."

record2009

February 6, 2010 - 9:31 am EST

What happened to the tobacco free campuses? It seems that some of the administrators need to work on an awareness program.

oh good grief

February 6, 2010 - 10:24 am EST

So you're thinking that these fires are "tobacco" related?

If you're correct, which I highly doubt, then it is time for a daily full body search of all students entering the school to ascertain if any of the following items are being carried into the building: matches, lighters, flints, two or more sticks of dry wood, magnifying glasses and beams of sunlight (some folks will do ANYTHING to get a cigarette lighted, don't you know).

Interested

February 7, 2010 - 8:03 am EST

The article clearly states "Many are caused by students discarding still-smoldering cigarettes . . ."

Brandon Burgess

February 6, 2010 - 11:14 am EST

Some county commissionersand school board members question whether or not we even need law enforcement officers in schools. They think private security guards will suffice. What do you parents think?

stafford5465

February 6, 2010 - 5:04 pm EST

Now all fires are counted. When I was a kid, if a wastebasket smoked a liitle, no one was bent out of shape.

Brittany7791

February 6, 2010 - 11:44 pm EST

I mean i dont know why people would want to do that i mean i guess they want to be put in different places like i was when i went to eastern. I didnt like it at all....I think thats a nice school.and i mean i dont think anyone should try to do anything i mean not just to eastern ANY school. they should have someone with a metal thing to search each student that comes in the school like the court house does before u walk in the main part....but thats my opinion!!!

westronandnan@aol.com

February 7, 2010 - 10:46 pm EST

I'm sure some of these fires are started my mischievous students to disrupt the school day or to avoid a test or to perhaps get out of school early. However, there are some who have a serious mental health issues --- conduct disorder --- and firestarting is a primary symptom of this serious behaviorial and mental health disorder.

Unfortunately, our state politicians have decimated the mental health and social services budget which denies many the mental health services they need. This foolish action reminds me of the old Fram oil filter commercials where the catch phrase was, "Pay me now or pay me later." This short-sighted strategy is done because the poiticians know they can do it with impunity --- the poor, homeless, mentally ill and addicted don't vote.

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