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Allen Johnson: Hotel debate desperately needs someone without a dog in this fight

Sunday, January 31, 2010
(Updated 3:00 am)

Where do I stand on a proposed new $54 million luxury hotel for  downtown Greensboro?

To be honest, I still don’t know.

Arguments that favor the eight-story project include its potential to add a significant development in the heart of downtown — the biggest since Roy Carroll’s $40 million reclamation of the old Wachovia tower as Center Pointe— unless you want to count the new, $114.6 million county jail.

Other factors in its favor include its use of low-interest federal stimulus bond financing that poses no cost to local taxpayers.

Arguments against it include a city-commissioned study that questions its viability and the conventional wisdom that the local hotel market already is overbuilt — including yet another hotel that seeks federal financing, as part of the planned Shoppes at Pyramids Village off East Cone Boulevard.

Part of me says the new downtown hotel deserves a chance. That if its financial pro forma isn’t sound, no one will buy the bonds anyway.

Another part says: What would be the price of failure, and what could be the lasting impact on downtown?

Here’s what I do know for sure: All of the loudest and most prominent voices on both sides of this debate have vested interests in its outcome. And every single one of them stands to gain or lose financially.

The cast of characters:

Melvin “Skip” Alston, who, as a broker for the hotel, stands to earn a sum that he says “is none of your business.” That’s arguable. But his involvement in the enterprise while serving as chairman of the county commissioners, who had to approve the hotel’s bid for federal financing in December, is clearly inappropriate.

 Alston recused himself from that vote, but he acknowledges lobbying City Council members on behalf of the $54 million hotel. He denies, however, threatening competing hotel owner Mike Weaver with protests during tomorrow’s opening of the International Civil Rights Center & Museum — and threatening recall elections of Mayor Bill Knight and two council members if they didn’t support the hotel. He contends he was merely saying that other people were making those threats. Uh, right.

Either way, he has overstepped his bounds and abused his role as commissioners chairman.

Deena Hayes. The school board member is a resident of the Ole Asheboro Neighborhood, which would be a part owner of the hotel. She also shares a home with John Greene, whose company — JCG & Associates — is a principal in the Urban Hotel Group, another partner in the hotel venture.

Hayes has as much of a right as any citizen to make money. But as a public advocate for the venture, it would have been helpful if she had disclosed all of her connections to the hotel up-front and early on.

Dennis Quaintance and Mike Weaver. The two well-known hoteliers have raised the most vocal and skeptical questions about the downtown hotel venture. Those questions have been legitimate and helpful.

But as owners of the Proximity and O. Henry hotels, they obviously would compete with any new hotel. They say they fear is that the downtown hotel might not fail altogether but simply slip into mediocrity. This, they say, would hinder other hotel projects from coming into downtown in the future, much as the under-performing Marriott does already.

Then again, a future hotel venture downtown could be their own.

Randall Kaplan, George House, Milton Kern and the other partners in the Elm Street Center have joined forces with the ownership group of the new hotel. As part of their investment, they’ve offered the Elm Street Center property for the project versus the original location at South Elm and Lee streets.

They’ve also wanted a hotel linked with the Elm Street Center for two years but couldn’t find financing. This is their chance. It’s also a chance to make a lot of money.

More power to the spirit of free enterprise that fuels all of these people’s passion. But what this discussion has lacked is clear direction and leadership for people whose job it is to consider the greater community good.

As a News & Record editorial noted last week, had the city and county established a clearly defined process and guidelines for all of the proposed local stimulus projects, we could have avoided much of this mess.

Other communities have done it, including San Bernardino, Calif., which added rules disqualifying any stimulus bond project from which an elected official stands to gain financially.

That would have nipped the Skip problem in the bud.

And added a method to all the madness.
 

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Jarrow

January 31, 2010 - 5:47 am EST

It shouldn't be too hard for you to determine your position. A bank or major financial lending institution would say "show us the cash flow and its proof over the life of the loan". Since this is out in the public as well, we public can ask the same thing. Until it can be shown, not as politics, it has to be unacceptable. At the local bond hearing THE letter of credit from THE lender was requested and not shown. As this is also a requirement of the bond rules, as I understand the reportage, the hotel is a dead issue without showing the money vetted by the lender.

JGALT

January 31, 2010 - 8:25 am EST

This project has been ill-conceived and unviable from the start. No business plan etc. It has been driven by the availability of "low interest stimulus bond money" (stupid money). It is one small slice of the $787 now $862 billion non-stimulus stimulus package. Imagine what other colossal lunatic projects are being funded around the country given the large amount of money and the short window to grab it. It will produce graft on a historic level, build monuments to idiocy, with the bill being sent to taxpayers for generations.

For Swerdna: I agree with you about Skip. He is devoid of character and ethics, a racial extortionist, and must go. I wanted to see dcolin and xeno debate it--- for grins.

Abner Doon

January 31, 2010 - 11:29 am EST

"Other factors in its favor include its use of low-interest federal stimulus bond financing that poses no cost to local taxpayers."

Except for the $8 million from Greensboro and Guilford County for a Parking Deck and the $3,000 spent for a feasability study by Greensboro which the city neglected to do for the Aquatic Center.

"All of the loudest and most prominent voices on both sides of this debate have vested interests in its outcome. And every single one of them stands to gain or lose financially."

Let's not forget the Greensoboro News and Record has a substantial real estate investment within blocks of the proposed project which could rise in value if the hotel and downtown Greensboro thrives.

citywatcher

January 31, 2010 - 12:41 pm EST

one thing that has been ignored by the media and the public is that this project isnt just a hotel. We seem to forget that the multi-story parking deck that was suppose to be built beneath the hotel will now be replace with retail/offices and restaurants. Thats very important to the viabilty of the hotel because if the hotel itself is not successful and there is high vacancy, money generated from retail/office/restautant portion could help make up the difference in paying off the debt for this hotel. That of course depends on how much office and retail is needed to do that. A few things that need to be pointed out:

1) the recent feasibilty report that said the hotel would fail did not take in account of the effect the International Civil Rights Museum would have on the hotel. The museum is a tourist attraction that will attract people all across the nation and the hotel site is across the street from this museum. Museum organizers project that more than 200,000 people will attend the museum in the first year and there will be bus tours coming through Greensboro.

2) lastly, the feasibility report was not thourough because it did not include the office/retail/restaurants portion of the project. A number of businesses will be leasing space. Thats a money generator that would go towards paying the debt off.

Bottom line, we need a new report that will take EVERYTHING into account and we need to see the FINAL plans from Chrisholm and Kaplan before making judgements over whether this hotel is a viable project. One thing for sure, the hotel project is symbolic. Here we have a multi-million dollar hotel being put together by both African-Americans and caucasions and its right across the street where the two groups couldnt sit down together and drink a cup of coffee. Thats part of the museum story in how far we have come.

JGALT

January 31, 2010 - 1:04 pm EST

A hotel, retail, office project is not symbolic. The numbers either work or they don't. To rely on numbers of visitors to the Civil Rights Museum is beyond optimistic. How many visitors of that 200,000 would stay overnight? How many arriving on a bus tour would choose a luxury hotel? How are the occupancy rates for retail and office space in the downtown? How are their rental rates? Does building space more assure the project or make sure it can't be viable?

citywatcher

January 31, 2010 - 1:17 pm EST

actually office vacancy is pretty low in the central business district. and when one restaurant folds another one immediately takes its place. Ironically the restaurant business is riskier than the hotel business. look at the 5-story mixed-use building thats currently being built on South Elm Street. It includes a restaurant, office space and apartments.

JGALT

January 31, 2010 - 1:25 pm EST

So, I wouldn't use building more of it as a back up to the hotel.

citywatcher

January 31, 2010 - 1:43 pm EST

well clearly if enough office/retail were included in the project, the hotel itself could be a failure and at the same time pay the debt off and become a profitable developement. Its genious way of making the numbers work and its exactly why developers are building more mixed-use projects as oppose to single use projects. It cuts the risk. In fact something similar was proposed for Raleigh on a much larger scale. There were plans for a high-rise hotel project that included offices and apartments.

nippers

January 31, 2010 - 1:07 pm EST

I agree with the "no dog in the hunt" comment. My fear though is that if that person is white and opposes the hotel he or she will be labeled a racist. If that person is black, he or she will be called an "uncle Tom". Once the race card is played its hard to go back to objectivity and particularly in this instance objective evaluation of the economic viability of this project.

eduguytoo

January 31, 2010 - 2:29 pm EST

See below.

eduguytoo

January 31, 2010 - 2:28 pm EST

As a microcosm, when my family has a big, important and financially significant decision to make, we generally do the following. Talk about it openly...a lot. Consider as many angles as we can, and think about everyone that could be impacted. Take our time...and if someone tries to put a gun to our heads to hurry things along, we typically back away. Should we expect any less from our public officials? It's hard to follow the timetable for this, but it sounds like the federal government put these millions of dollars in potential stimulus dollars on the Greensboro doorstep and then provided an unrealistically short window of time to decide if we want to grab it. If the list of potential projects I've seen is the best that could be mustered, a poor job was done. If things go ahead as they are now, then I believe this will be the outcome. Immediate short-term constructions jobs. Immediate short-term economic impact because of the construction projects. Immediate windfalls for some small number of developers/brokers. Long-term jobs, minimal. Long-term economic impact, minimal...perhaps even detrimental. There are so many faults and flaws with the way this thing has come down that it's hard to know where to start placing the blame. But I think the one good thing that may come of this is what I've heard from virtually all sides, and it goes like this: "If I had to do this again, I sure would handle things differently."

newkid

January 31, 2010 - 5:31 pm EST

It's not just this issue, but the larger question of ethics in local government that needs to be examined in Guilford County and Greensboro. "Conflict of interest" has a legal definition but it also has a definition linked to public perception and the concepts of good government.

jackhartjj

January 31, 2010 - 10:03 pm EST

Allen, you and a lot of other folks keep on the bandwagon about Dennis and Mike looking into this as if it is bad, that they might want to stop it for their own gain.
Well, if that's the case so be it! This has been a train wreck from the beginning, and I am glad someone is asking the questions that should have been asked to begin with...as opposed to a bunch of greedy folks with only themselves they are thinking about!
And as to the city council...you folks should be ashamed! You blew it! Do better!

notoriousBLOG

February 1, 2010 - 10:17 am EST

Mr. Johnson, i believe that you are avoiding the obvious. Had Greensboro used foresight and put the qualifications on this stimulus money and denied the money to this project, it would have still been accused of racism. Earl Jones, Melvin Austin and all associated with the Simpkins PAC have held Greensboro hostage for decades. They have blackmailed the people of Greensboro and Guilford County over any issue that they felt they could bring up and try to embarrass the community with. It has worked extremely well just as it has with Jesse Jackson, Charles Rangel and others. They are all very wealthy now, I don't know that the black communities have reaped any reward from it, but they all have certainly lined their own pockets very generously.
I have no issue with this project IF these people want to use their own money or private investors money but since they are wanting to use my tax dollars to finance it, then yes I want to see some hard accounting and due dilligence, not just projections. After some 15 years we still do not know how the monies for the Civil Rights Museum have been spent. I have had to tighten my spending and eliminate a lot of things that I used to enjoy because of the current economy, I would have thought that we as a nation would have learned from the millions of failed loans that you can not continue throwing money after empty dreams just because you think that you are helping someone. Eventually someone has to pay and it is almost always the taxpayers who pay.

stafford5465

February 1, 2010 - 3:04 pm EST

Starting a for-profit business requires at-risk capital. I don't know how much and who will put up what amounts for the project. I doubt that the Old Asheboro Association has any money. Most people look at the area and see if there is any demand for the new business under consideration. There appears to be plenty of rooms available for any day of the week. The idea that upscale rooms will rent when cheaper ones do not is a figment of someones imagination. The owners should put up at least 40% of the capital. In addition, they need to have a long-term assoication with a well-respected hotel chain. Hotels, even Four Seasons and Grandover, are not doing well. For a upscale hotel to work in a non-resort area, you must have business travelers. The only fortune 500 company we have is VF and they can't keep one hotel above water. Why will this hotel work when several others have not? The answer better be good because if is not, we have no business using taxpayer money for it's core capital.

sladejone11

February 8, 2010 - 7:22 pm EST

Lincoln Financial is also downtown.. as well as BB&T.. probably a few others on the Fortune 500 too, those are just off the top of my head.

But you're right, it doesn't change the fact that these big companies still don't bring in the business needed to justify another hotel. I've stayed at the Mariott downtown on several occasions before I started working here, and the place was quiet as can be.

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