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Local investors join in hotel plan

Wednesday, January 6, 2010
(Updated Thursday, January 7 - 5:49 am)

Local businessman Randall Kaplan wants to prove the skeptics wrong about a proposed luxury hotel in downtown Greensboro.

As a new partner with the group that proposed the hotel last summer, Kaplan believes the combination of his local investment group and Urban Hotel Group gives added strength to the venture.

Kaplan is the managing partner of the Elm Street Center, which houses the Empire Room and the Regency Room banquet and meeting facilities.

The center’s investors include such established local business people as Milton Kern , who owns and manages properties downtown, chef Brad Semon of The Painted Plate and attorney George House.

The Elm Street Center group has joined with Urban Hotel Group by offering a parking deck it owns near Davie Street for the hotel site. That gives the hotel a connection with Elm Street Center’s meeting space.

Bridget Chisholm, a Memphis businesswoman who is a principal with Urban Hotel Group, initially had proposed the hotel for the city’s South Elm Street redevelopment zone south of Lee Street. But many in the community suggested that site would be a bad place for a luxury hotel.

With a new site, however, Kaplan believes the hotel will win community approval as a new anchor building for downtown growth.

The new hotel group is scheduled to ask the Greensboro City Council to approve the financing, called “recovery zone bonds,” on Jan. 19.

If approved, the recovery zone bonds would be issued through Guilford County’s bond authority. The project developer, not the local or federal government, would be responsible for paying the debt.

The advantage of using this type of financing is the lower interest rate, said City Finance Director Rick Lusk. Based on the current situation, Lusk estimated that the project might get about a 4.5 percent interest rate.

The bonds are tax-exempt for investors, meaning that the interest income they earn from the bonds cannot be taxed. Those investors, typically private companies, who purchase the bonds will be responsible if the developer cannot repay the loan. Two other projects, a downtown apartment building with a restaurant and a building that would be leased to Deep Roots Market , also hope to take advantage of the bond program.

Kaplan believes his group’s willingness to sink its land and expertise into the hotel deal should present the best case for the project.

“I think we’re looking to Bridget to sort of lead the partnership group in moving forward,” Kaplan said. “She has the expertise. We’re going to be actively involved in all of the selection of architects, builders, design, etc. We’re putting in a tremendous amount of assets and value.”

Kaplan said his group, which has studied the hotel market for more than two years, is still studying how large the hotel should be and what rates it should charge.

Many questioned the viability of Urban Hotel Group’s earlier suggested room rate of more than $200 a night.

“People have fixated on $200 a night, which is actually sort of on the high end,” Kaplan said. “We will look at the models at all kinds of price ranges in order to assess where the thresholds are. Two hundred a night was kind of a high-end rate but that is not where the analysis begins and ends.”

Situated between N.C. A&T and UNCG and just a few blocks from the Elon University School of Law, the hotel and its Elm Street Center meeting rooms should have plenty of business, Kaplan says.

Another key asset will be the International Civil Rights Center & Museum, which will open Feb. 1 this year, just across the street from the proposed hotel complex.

Kaplan said the investor groups plan to maintain local ownership in the hotel.

Staff writer Amanda Lehmert contributed to this report.

Contact Richard M. Barron at 373-7371 or richard.barron@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

John Newsom (News & Record)

Photo Caption: This parking deck is part of the property being considered for a new luxury hotel in downtown Greensboro.

City council insider

News and notes from the City Council meeting on Tuesday.

  • Council members agreed to delay the rehearing of a controversial North Elm Street and Cornwallis Road rezoning at the request of the applicant. The issue will be heard in February.
  • The council transferred Tannenbaum Park to the National Park Service, which operates the adjacent Guilford Courthouse National Military Park. The transfer will save the city $240,000 a year.
  • Council members signed off on a $3.9 million construction contract with T.A. Loving for the development of Keely Park, in the northwest area of the city. The park will be built at the former Keely Nursery. Construction could start later this month.
  • Mayor Bill Knight asked council members to refrain from texting during council meetings. The request came after Councilman Robbie Perkins was asked to turn over texts he exchanged with a developer during a recent council meeting. Perkins, meanwhile, said he doesn’t plan to give up his PDA.

Got a news tip? Contact staff writer Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Get your fill of government news online at Inside Scoop at blog.news-record.com/scoopblog.

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Alberto

January 6, 2010 - 6:19 am EST

stupid stupid stupid, please no

JGALT

January 6, 2010 - 6:58 am EST

So, they have no forecast room rates, no projected occupancy rates, no pro forma P and L or cashflow projections and no business plan. This "build it they will come" approach worked in the movies but this is real life and if they build it WHO will come? How often and for how much? Do they expect the hotel as an anchor to create the demand? Is it a destination resort? Do they expect the Civil Rights Museum to create the demand above and beyond current room availability?

Norm*

January 6, 2010 - 7:19 am EST

What matters is the taxpayer money. It absorbs any of the private "investor" risk. Get out of the way common sense, we're going to obscure the greed by talking about profit and job growth. Where's the new mayor on this pack of non-sense?

thinkb4urit

January 6, 2010 - 8:08 am EST

Ok folks, let's all calm down. Obviously these investors are putting millions of their own dollars up in this project. Give them a little credit that they have done their homework and aren't just pulling this together on a whim.

It is going to take private investors willing to risk their own backsides to bring downtown Greensboro back to a viable city - noone wants the city to invest the taxpayer money to do it. Let's not immediately say "NO" without knowing all the facts. At least these folks are willing to put their money where their mouth is.... unlike many others!

GCS Parent

January 6, 2010 - 9:15 am EST

Excuse me but who has evidence of those "millions"? Did I miss something? They are using special bonds to build this, not their own money. The developer can default on those bonds and walk away, declare bankrupcy, and the city is left with a empty hotel. Then there will be an outcry that the city has to take over the hotel and run it to prevent an abandond building of this scale downtown. I agree witht he first post... STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!

If the project was viable the developers would want to OWN it and run it to reap the profits. The Urban Hotel Group is seeking out areas that qualify for the federal recovery bonds and pitching projects for the easy financing. Without the recovery bonds would the Elm St. Group be doing this and actually risk their millions??? I agree backsides must be put at risk. That's not happening here. The bondholders will bear the risk, and then the taxpayers of Guilford County.

Beachwalk

January 6, 2010 - 4:41 pm EST

GCS Parent is 100% correct. These developers are not risking anything, but YOUR TAXPAYER MONEY.

VALawyer

January 6, 2010 - 8:32 am EST

I hope the Hotel succeeds, but I'm not confident it will. Is there really a market in Greensboro for such a hotel? Honestly, who comes here for tourism? I think some citizens and the City Council are so eager to make Greensboro look bigger than what it is. I think they want to make it look like Charlotte; which is a city that could actually support such a hotel.

I think if leaders want to revitalize downtown, they need something that would make locals come to it. The triad metro area has a population of 1.5 million people. A town center-like outdoor shopping mall in downtown would be a great way to make local people come. If anyone has ever been to Atlantic Station in Atlanta, South Pointe Mall in Raleigh or even the Village at North Elm in Greensboro knows what I mean. It would be like putting a planned shopping village in downtown Greensboro and it would get locals to come and spend money. The problem is that it would compete with Four Seasons Town Centre, the Village at North Elm, and the Friendly Center.

Ryan

January 6, 2010 - 9:22 am EST

Since the Village at North Elm is such a dazzling success...

VALawyer

January 6, 2010 - 9:58 am EST

The problem with the Village at North Elm is that it only has specialty stores. If, for example, Four Seasons Mall went out of business and all of it's mass-appeal stores moved to a new location in downtown the new mall would have a shot. I know my idea is unrealistic since there are existing malls in Greensboro but I think that's the best way to get people continually coming to downtown to spend money.

notoriousBLOG

January 6, 2010 - 8:59 am EST

That's great that they have joined the yeah crowd. Since they own the adjoining facilities they stand to gain considerably. Now if they put up their own money then I say go for it. I am so tired of these people using public funds to put their plans into action. You want results? Spend you're money instead of mine!

citywatcher

January 6, 2010 - 9:10 am EST

Ok here is what I dont get. People are talking about this hotel project like its a new concept for Greensboro. People forget we have a few other hotels in the city that has a $200 a night rate. We seem to have forgotten The O'Henry Hotel, The Proximity Hotel and the Grandover Resort all of which are local investments. So i'm not sure why no body said a thing when those developers built their hotels and now all of a sudden when this project is proposed its pie in the sky and wont be successful. In the beginning I think it had a lot to do with the fact that a minority woman is the lead developer for the project. Some people belive that black people or women can't handle such an undertaking.

I dont understand the opposition though because this project has NO risk to taxpayers. If for some reason the hotel failed, which i dont believe it will, the private companies who pruchased bonds would be liable, not the city of Greensboro or the federal government. We have hotels being built in Greensboro all the time, there is NO reason to single this project out.

Bosco

January 6, 2010 - 10:14 am EST

All of the above were built with private money and neither needed a Memphis con artist to make them work

g_stu

January 6, 2010 - 10:14 am EST

There's always someone pulling the race card...

truth

January 6, 2010 - 11:52 am EST

yep. thought so too.

But the writer may have a point. Why is Africa a 3rd-rate continent and almost all industrial development, inventions, etc have come out of Europe and its colonies? Next time someone wants to blame whitey, they might want to appreciate that they live in one of the most developed, technology advanced countries in the world for a reason.

Loyaltee

January 6, 2010 - 12:46 pm EST

Truth - you should really conduct some research to learn the "truth" regarding Africa's history and what its people contributed to our civilization. Amazing.

mickey

January 6, 2010 - 9:18 am EST

This hotel is a bad idea. As far as being "situated between NC A&T and UNCG," that means nothing. The main time there will be a demand from the schools for hotel rooms is for Parent's Weekend and (maybe) the beginning of the school year. And the parents will not be looking for a luxury hotel in which to stay. A Courtyard hotel is more what parents are looking for. Now, NC A&T alumni may want to stay in the luxury hotel for their homecoming, but that is one weekend per year. I would like to see an occupancy study, and not just a staement that they "should have plenty of business."

Bosco

January 6, 2010 - 9:37 am EST

The new, five star Ritz Carleton in Uptown Charlotte, that's part of the Bank of America complex has room rates at $219 per night. What's Koury getting at Grandover or 4 Seasons? Tom Bodett needs to leave the light on for you guys.

newkid

January 6, 2010 - 9:58 am EST

And, HELLO, there's a huge Marriott just up the street. Anyone checked the occupancy rates there?

I'd be more in favor of a project that redevelops one of our many vacant or nearly vacant downtown buildings rather than building a new hotel, a new apartment complex, and a new grocery store. Although it probably can't be called a financial success yet, Center Pointe gets a few extra "pointes" in that regard.

truth

January 6, 2010 - 11:54 am EST

Want folks downtown? Build a Wal-Mart there. :)

anonmyous

January 6, 2010 - 10:19 am EST

noone will stay cause i have stayed in 140/night hotel suites for 40 dollars a night with girlfriend at the time cause of employee discount also we have water problems cause building too much and also breathing problems cause tear trees down also i won't see any replies as i don't look again

truth

January 6, 2010 - 11:56 am EST

also dats good cause u write like a 3 year old also use a period between sentences also you sound like george bush's retarded brother.

VALawyer

January 6, 2010 - 12:07 pm EST

Isn't George W. Bush already J.E.B. Bush's retarded brother? LOL!

Beachwalk

January 6, 2010 - 4:51 pm EST

Even as hated as G.W. is by the demoRATs, Jimmy Carter is still the most stupid president this country has ever had. Although Obonzo is going to give Jimmy(-Crack-Corn) a run for his money

oh good grief

January 6, 2010 - 10:25 am EST

Snake oil salesmen, right here in no-river city. You better believe taxpayers are going to end up shouldering this burden. The developer(s), the big pooh-bah real estate broker, and the "investors" have champagne tastes on a beer budget if you count any "personal money" they'll actually be putting in.

Guess what folks, when I pay my property taxes I am always paying with my "personal" money, and I am growing increasingly sick and tired of seeing it "invested" in pet projects of the same old, same old "playas" but with one new female face thrown in to give it credence (NOT!!!).

InventorNC

January 6, 2010 - 10:45 am EST

OK, If Mr Kaplan can talk the investors into marrying a hotel with Kaplan's operation where is the rub? Let them.

But let them be capitalists and fund the project from top to bottom. There is absolutely no need for any government funds. And no excuse for even thinking of government funds to back a project.

Guilford county owes 1,000 MILLION dollars in bonds already. We don't need more debt, do we!

InventorNC

January 6, 2010 - 10:51 am EST

Did you read about the huge mess in Roanoke Rapids? Millions spent on a music venue a lot of which Dolly Parton's brother Randy drank and ate up before he was booted out. And now the town owes a fortune and has no way to pay it. To top it off the population is droppiing at 3.3% a year! YIKES
Greensboro, Guilford County and North Carolina need to get out of socialistic schemes. If the idea is a money maker then let the money boys back the project - 100%, no less. Taxpayers should have to pay for essential services. Period!
And that's non-negotialble in my book.

InventorNC

January 6, 2010 - 11:03 am EST

No hotel is going to do much to make Greensboro a success. Bringing up UNCG to something a trifle better than a subterranean "Third Tier" rating in USNews listings would help but that is a state funding problem, and improved leadership on campus. Hey guys that means most of the thousands of colleges in the US are better than UNCG in USN's view. That is sad. That is ugly! That needs to be fixed. Soon.

Richard Florida's "The Rise of the Creative Class" is a thought-provoking book. We all need to read it then read it again.. Our city fathers should memorize it.

And yes, what is the Marriott's occupancy rate?

Illiterati

January 6, 2010 - 1:41 pm EST

Haven't you heard? Even Richard Florida himself is backing off on his own theories. In Florida's forthcoming book, The Great Reset, he says that most cities are too damaged from the recession and that we need to cut our losses and focus on the places that are already doing well:

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_ruse_of_the_creative_cla...

jeed

January 6, 2010 - 11:38 am EST

Greensboro is finally starting to do things a city of a quarter million people does. Born and raised there (but gone now because it was the most stagnant city in the southeast), I'm happy to see these initiatives announced - whether they come through or not.

Every idea won't be the best and projects do need to be vetted, but it seems the "Just Say No" mentality of that city is being silenced little by little. We will soon be able to differentiate Greensboro from Sedalia.

Beachwalk

January 6, 2010 - 5:13 pm EST

Greensboro is NOT Charlotte or Raleigh. Both Charlotte and Raleigh are cities whose history was not built around manufacturing factories. Greensboro was built on the backs of mill workers (Cone Mills, Burlington Ind., Lorillard, etc.), not bankers and lawyers. That is why minor league sports have always done much better in Greensboro than major league sports. Most citizens in Greensboro cannot afford $150+ seats for a professional sporting event. That is not saying anything bad or negative about the people of Greensboro, I'm just pointing out the difference of the make up of the demographics. I know most of those mill jobs are gone, but many of the people are still here. It will be a LONG LONG time before Greensboro will be able to support the kind of businesses and entertainment venues that Charlotte and Raleigh have.

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