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One year later, interfaith trip to Israel is vivid

Saturday, January 2, 2010
(Updated 3:00 am)

A group of Baptists and Presbyterians, nondenominational Christians and other clergy joined local Jewish leaders on a pilgrimage to Israel just about a year ago.

The dozens of clergy, including some spouses, went with the financial support of the Community Foundation of Greater Greensboro, which provided a grant for scholarships to create better relationships among these clergy, who are often the ones called upon in a community crisis.

Since then, the group keeps in touch through e-mail and regular get-togethers.

A year later, and the interactions are just as vivid — and offer insight about the relationships forming to make the Triad a better place for us all.

“What I remember most clearly from our trip was the sense of momentousness that I felt all along the way — the fact that we were of different faiths, that we were travelling together, becoming close and sharing powerful experiences,” said Rabbi Eli Havivi, one of the organizers and a seasoned guide to the country.

Rabbi Fred Guttman of Temple Emanuel was also a leader on the trip.

The first thing the group did after leaving the Tel Aviv airport was to stop in Rabin Square in Tel Aviv and recite the Shehecheyanu blessing.

“A Hebrew prayer which we recite at 'wow’ moments of our lives,” Havivi said.

Another favorite moment, or series of moments, he said, was their ability to be totally normal and playful with each other.

“Even in the midst of all this holiness and wonder we were experiencing,” Havivi said.

“We experimented with new foods, we took care of each other when our tummies or our legs ached, we told a lot of jokes, and — mindful of those we had left at home — we shopped. Everywhere. Every day, at every religious and historical site.

“Toward the end of the trip, we visited the Garden Tomb, one of the sites where Jesus was said to be buried. We read the passage from the end of Matthew, 'He is not here; He has risen.’” And one of the ministers piped up from the back — 'He is not here, He is in the gift shop!’ ”

The Israel trip had many layers, said the Rev. Sid Batts of First Presbyterian Church.

It was: a spiritual pilgrimage, being able to connect the geography with Biblical stories, seeing his Christian story through a Jewish lens, developing a deep relationship with fellow clergy from diverse religious traditions, and better understanding the past and present relationships among Jews, Christians, Muslims, Palestinians and Israelis in the area.

“Also, sharing this spiritual journey with my wife, experiencing the contrast between the pastoral setting of Galilee where Jesus did much of his ministry and the arid, bustling, tension-filled city of Jerusalem where Jesus collided with political and religious fervor,” Batts said.

The pastor also gained new heroes.

“Those courageous Jews, Christians and Muslims who put themselves at risk to seek peace, cooperation and a better way forward,” Batts said.

He looks forward to returning with members of his church — “So that they too will gain a Bible with pictures and a deeper presence of God.”

Jock Ollis, senior pastor of Muir’s Chapel United Methodist Church, says the trip offered lessons for us all to carry.

“A year later, I am still haunted by my walk through the children’s memorial of the Yad Vashem (Holocaust Museum) in Jerusalem. In the dim light of that structure, stars appear to be shining overhead and the names of some of the 1.5 million children who lost their lives due to Nazi oppression and genocide echo around you, reminding you of each individual life cut short by hatred and neglect.

“We are reminded that that which breaks the heart of God must break our hearts as well. We must protect, defend and nurture children everywhere, God’s precious gifts of life. God grant us the courage and will so to do.”

 

Contact Nancy McLaughlin at 373-7049 or nancy. mclaughlin@news-record.com

 

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Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 6:30 am EST

"Another favorite moment, or series of moments, he said, was their ability to be totally normal and playful with each other."

Come join us--the non-theists. We have these moments every day, all day. We're not locked into any books of myths. We're not amazed to discover that other humans are just like us. We do good deeds and live decent lives because it's the right thing to do, not as a hedge bet against sme unpleasant afterlife. We don't need to travel to pretend sacred places; we know every person and every place will only ever be what we make it.

speakup2

January 2, 2010 - 11:08 am EST

Just curious Clue...How did you get your sense of Right or Wrong? I am NOT pushing nor pushing away any belief. Just wondering how you came to what was right and what was wrong in life..(^_^)

JGALT

January 2, 2010 - 12:59 pm EST

A "sense of right and wrong" existed before the invention of ethical monotheism and wrong exists after it.

GHSWhirlie1974

January 2, 2010 - 9:25 am EST

hey thats cool that you know it to be true, but i am by nature skeptical so PLEASE O PLEASE give me a clue...haha....no really, PLEASE O PLEASE convert me to your thinking by sharing with me the evidence that confirms, as you write, that you know that your religion to be the truth and the only truth...

Social Worker 2

January 2, 2010 - 3:00 pm EST

To those seeking clues.....

2 Peter 3:3. To begin with, you must know and understand this, that scoffers (mockers) will come in the last days with scoffing, [people who] walk after their own fleshly desires.

1 John -
7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son[a] into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[b] our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. 13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

I will be praying for those without faith, for without it, how can you believe in love? Do you see it, touch it, can you prove it's existence? Faith is trust and knowing, with your heart, the same place we feel love. For those without faith, how, during emotional pain, does your heart hurt, it's just a muscle, right? God is love, and the love of God will make you happier than anything else can.....

GHSWhirlie1974

January 2, 2010 - 5:26 pm EST

"I will be praying for those without faith, for without it, how can you believe in love? Do you see it, touch it, can you prove it's existence? Faith is trust and knowing, with your heart, the same place we feel love. For those without faith, how, during emotional pain, does your heart hurt, it's just a muscle, right? God is love, and the love of God will make you happier than anything else can....."

hmmmm...i dont necessarily care for that logic....all humans have a (system) of faith that is their truth and for which they may even be passionate about just like you are....so even the non-Christian has a faith, likely it is a faith in themselves, and a love of their own intellect, which probably plays a big part....its not too difficult to manufacture a faith that you are comfortable with...

still these intellectual idolators can love and be loved, so what you say is not exactly true, but what you mean to say is that they do not know the love that you know, that comes only from the one true God of Abraham....but yes they will mock Him...they are as fundamental as we are that theirs is the way...

but when it comes to the evidence of which way is THE way, i believe we have it and they don't....that is my faith both in the seen, and the unseen...

Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 5:50 pm EST

A couple folks have inquired...
...I'll ask you to turn the question back on yourself. How do you "know" your belief system is correct? I mean, other than someone in a costume telling you so from a book heavily edited and trimmed by political fiat over centuries. I don't pretend to know my belief system is correct, but I do know it's not based on magic. And I know the kind deeds I do are not because I am hedging my bets against an imagined Hell.
I'll stick with reality, thanks. Actual, measurable human experience. Proof. The ability to recalculate based on experience; the willingness to demand to be fed more than pablum. The opportunity and freedom to question and discuss.
I'll ask others who set up straw men arguments to invest just an hour in studying 'logical fallacies.' Then he or she will see how the arguments they've built are weaker than a house of cards and just as susceptible to a mere breeze before crumbling.
I've done social work. I'm comfortable questioning why and how an 'all-powerful creator' would allow such famine, disease, pestilence, holocaust, poverty...etc. when any human who creates or allows such inhumanity to flourish is rightly tried for crimes against humanity.
Those of us unencumbered by dogma that only serves to separate us into warring tribes during our very short time on this planet are getting mighty tired of defending the very same principles Jesus the Christ spoke of but which his followers need so desperately to get a clue about.
Happy 2010. May you strive to live the examined life.

CherylP25

January 2, 2010 - 6:38 pm EST

GET A CLUE
If you are so tired of defending your principles, then please stop making anti-religion comments on every article that deals in an way with religion. Obviously, you are not tired of it, because you never seem miss an opportunity to place your negative comments on any article pertaining to a religious organization or group. However, I'm a little tired of seeing your comments. I wonder what pleasure do you get from denigrating the belief system of others? And why is that?

Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 8:11 pm EST

So you're pro-religion and anti-Jesus the Christ and His principles. Just as I thought.
Thanks for playing! ;-)

GHSWhirlie1974

January 2, 2010 - 7:06 pm EST

Clue, the best evidence for me I call Fulfilled Prophecy, which you call magic....FYI, you (and your ilk) are fulfilling prophecy as we write back and forth...

Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 8:21 pm EST

Invest 1 hour studying the mathmatical concept of probability and you'll see why "fulfilled prophesy" is a simple prediction any fool can make that will always come true, only through the sheer weight of existence. The 'fulfilled prophesy' of which you hang your dogmatic hat on is no different than the same silliness every other religion and political cause claims as it's 'proof.'
Pick any topic. Pretend to be psychic and predict some will denigrate it, others will believe it. Posit a stupid saying, such as "the exception proves the rule" or begin your opinions with, "I know for a fact....." or spew some blather such as "God said it and that settles it" and sit back smugly thinking you've won some kind of argument when all you've done is demonstrate your ignorance with the kind of pride stupid people mistake for knowledge.
I predict Cheryl will continue to post responses to what I post regarding Ms. McLaughlin's articles. Oooo...I must be psychic. That proves me right. ;-)
See how stupid that sounds? Your "fulfilled prophesy" is simply that silliness, writ large.

GHSWhirlie1974

January 2, 2010 - 7:13 pm EST

yo Clue, would you read something that I think you should read (as some evidence) and i will read something you want me to read as a way of checking out your evidence?

Here's what i would ask you to please read; "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel

and check out leestrobel dot com

please recommend something in return that I can read as some evidence to your way....

Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 8:09 pm EST

I continue to read lots of religious literature from many faiths, including their holy books. Only a fool would disregard good advice, regardless of the source. And only a fool would never question advice given simply because the giver claimed special, magical properties for it. I'll wander over to the site you suggested, GHS. Thanks. I'd encourage you to read any science text. Or google a site regarding logical fallacies. Or simply read the Bible and question the contradictions. Or look around and ask if you were an all-powerful, all-knowing being, is this the world you'd create and brag about and demand all its beings worship you for it? By the way, I still go to church. I'm a Unitarian Universalist. I think Jesus was a fine fellow with many great ideas. I've only met a few who actually practiced what he preached, and even fewer who labeled themselves Christians while doing so.
And I would remind poor ol' Cheryl to stop reading my comments if it bothers her so to ever have her faith questioned. I remember when I was an adolescent and hated having to defend my immature behavior to anyone else, too. Some folks mature; others just build higher walls around their house of cards. ;-)

Get A Clue

January 2, 2010 - 8:28 pm EST

Incidentally, Mr. Strobel begins with the case "for" Christ. Therefore he begins predisposed to cherry-pick evidence supporting his claim. Any mature person knows that we are simply human and will always err on the side of 'evidence' to support that which we want to believe in the first place. He's no different than a hired defense lawyer, whose job it is to distract the jury in any way possible so as to keep them from seeing what his client may have actually done. Do yourself a favor and trust the brain you believe your god gave you and expand your reading materials. If your god is all that and a bag of chips he won't mind you examining some contrary evidence and he won't hide behind such immaturity as "blasphemy" should one of his loyal subjects dare to think instead of parrot.

GHSWhirlie1974

January 2, 2010 - 9:21 pm EST

Clue do you even have a clue how much you contradict yourself and put your foot in your mouth as you write your nonsense?...

FYI, the biggest favor i have done for myself, which was much like mr strobel, who was once of your ilk as i was also, was to seek the truth and when nothing else stood the test, it was the one true God of Abraham, and because i sought i came to meet Immanuel who once walked here on earth to live and die for you...call it magic, it was a magical time for me!....an awesome 180 !!

dude if you cannot even give me one freaking book, something anything that can make your case, then my friend, at least in my eyes and likely God's, you are nothing more than a proud and stiff-necked intellectual idolator....you worship nothing more than yourself....you are god, you are lord of your life, correct?....

like i said above somewhere, its not difficult to manufacture a belief set that you are comfortable with especially when its core foundation is built on you...

again Clue, read strobel's book and i will read any book you pick, c'mon, dude,you must have at least one text that reflects your core fundations, otherwise you have zero credibility....you hate him already and argue with him already and you havent even read his book, what kind of universalist are you?

Clue, get a clue, you are not a universalist, you are in a cult of one...

Get A Clue

January 3, 2010 - 7:05 am EST

So let's see if I have this right.
At your suggestion I gave you several books to read. Any decent science textbook refutes all that is magic. Even a middle school text would do. But unless you get a specific title it appears to be beyond your ability to deal with it.
You claim I contradict myself, yet you offer no specific examples.
I've invested a lifetime reading many books, from the Bible (Torah and Koran) to other books from both sides of the aisle as well as actively listening to speakers and willfully questioning all aspects of science and the supernatural. I've been a church-goer since I was a child and a member of my UU church for over 25 years. You insist there's but one book that matters. I've read about it; I even visited the website. Lots of stuff on sale from a huckster. Nothing more.
And the best you can do, the most Jesus the Christ-like response you have is to hurl profanity and anger and insults my way simply because I dare to disagree with you.
So you used to be one thing and now you think you are another.
I suggest you're no different than anyone else. But at least you've managed to fool yourself so far!
Thanks for playing. Enjoy 2010. ;-)

Get A Clue

January 3, 2010 - 7:19 am EST

Carman.
I re-read your post and had to think a bit but now I remember. I had the nagging suspicion you were simply regurgitating phrases you were indoctrinated with by some mega-priest or such. And your inability to type in a mature style and frequent use of 'dude' were also dead giveaways.
Carman, like Strobel, is just another huckster who's made a convenient living off the young and/or dumb. If they weren't selling their brand of 'Jesus' they'd be on late-night TV selling us Time-Life CDs of the Greatest Hits of the 60's. You might as well collect Beanie Babies as Strobel's books and DVDs. At least you'll have fun playing with the Beanies in a few years.
It's so sad...reminds me of a few friends I lost to "Promise Keepers." Lousy husbands and fathers who joined that group and suddenly had great excuses to continue lording it over their wives and children while continuing to stay immature. Now they had "Jesus's" permission to boss everyone around while refusing to grow up.
Anyway, google the term "logical fallacies" and re-read all you've posted. But be prepared to get angry and start cursing. Again. Cognitive dissonance is a fact, even if stupid people refuse to become educated.

Get A Clue

January 3, 2010 - 7:35 am EST

Ah, the internet is a fun tool. Now that I've googled your name I see you have a penchant for going on the attack in Jesus's name against Jews and gays and anyone else who dares to disagree with your latest re-invention, all the while hurling profanity and insults and the exact same lame lines as you used with me. At least you've learned to stop hitting the 'send' button twice. You've been radically saved (dude) and now to justify your investment you feel this need to project your insecurities down everyone else's throat.
I predict you'll chime in on today's letter to the editor about Jerusalem and Palestine with the same vitriol. Thanks ahead of time for the entertainment. ;-)

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