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Davie Street picked as location for hotel

Friday, January 1, 2010
(Updated 6:55 am)

GREENSBORO — A developer, a neighborhood association and a downtown partnership will work together to build a luxury hotel downtown.

Developer Urban Hotel Group worked out an agreement Thursday with Elm Street Center to turn a parking deck at Davie Street and February One Place into a 200-room hotel, said Melvin “Skip” Alston , the real estate broker for the deal.

The developer, working with the Ole Asheboro Neighborhood Association, had planned to ask the Greensboro City Council to sell 2.8 acres of redevelopment land for the project.

The hotel still faces a political hurdle later this month, when City Council members will consider whether to approve a complicated financing plan for the project.

Bridget Chisholm, Urban Hotel Group developer, has been working with the neighborhood group since the summer to propose a hotel for the city-owned South Elm Street redevelopment site. But the appraised value of the land, $1.1 million, was too high, Alston said.

Alston set Chisholm up with the Elm Street Center development group, a partnership of about a dozen local businessmen who own the Empire Room and have considered building a hotel behind it.

A feasibility study completed in 2008 said the Davie Street and February One Place location would be a good site for a 200-room hotel upward of 15 stories tall.

If built, the luxury hotel would use the Empire Room as meeting and banquet space, Alston said.

Under the partnership agreement reached Thursday, Urban Hotel Group would own 51 percent of the business, with 5 percent of that share going to the neighborhood organization, Alston said. Elm Street Center would have a 49 percent share.

The hotel entrance would face Elm Street. Plans for the building still must be designed, Alston said.

“That is going to be a tremendous boost to the downtown community,” he said.

The developer still plans to ask the City Council to allow $30 million in federal Recovery Zone Facility Bonds to finance the project, plus $8 million from the city and county to build a parking garage on the site, Alston said.

It’s no sure bet that the council will approve the financing or parking garage.

The federal bond money is part of a $25 billion U.S. Treasury fund to help state and local governments finance economic development. The tax-exempt bonds allow private businesses to finance projects in locally designated economic recovery zones.

Downtown Greensboro is in such a zone.

The city’s staff has raised concerns, however, that Urban Hotel Group has overestimated the amount of money its hotel could take in, which could make paying down the debt difficult.

Some City Council members also have questioned whether Greensboro needs a new hotel when existing rooms are only about half full. They have wondered whether a new hotel would be viable.

“I do have a concern about the impact on our hotel industry,” Mayor Bill Knight said. “We need to protect them.”

A new parking deck could be paid for using income from existing city parking facilities, said interim Assistant City Manager Andy Scott.

A recent study of downtown parking needs and possible new deck locations did not look at the Davie Street site, nor did it consider the possibility of a new hotel, Scott said.

The City Council will consider the financing plan on Jan. 19.

Staff writer Richard M. Barron contributed to this report.

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: An artist’s rendering from mid-2009 shows the proposed hotel project.

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uncwgm

December 31, 2009 - 4:03 pm EST

Haha, nothing surprises me anymore...just what we need..

Wonder how much a few special interests will make on this one., how favorable the treatment will be for this supposedly "private development" and what will be the real costs for taxpayers for this hotel most taxpayers will never use? Are the existing hotels downtown bursting at the seams currently?..someone needs to research the actual need for lodging before even considering this latest "proposal".

Funniest part is people just keep on electing folks like Skip Alston, Steve Arnold and Robbie Perkins. LMAO!

rightwingnemesis

December 31, 2009 - 5:37 pm EST

This is progress!.......they've moved it from a vacant lot in a blighted part of town to being connected to the Empire Room--pretty soon it will be down near Moses Cone with a skywalk to the Emergency Room! Wait, still better idea...connect it to the Alston-Jones Intergalactic Civil Rights Museum.
Folks, any way you look at it, this is trouble waiting to happen.

And to anyone who still doesn't understand the Aquatic Center---it will actually be used vs. a hotel in a city that already has luxury accomodations.

Beachwalk

December 31, 2009 - 9:18 pm EST

And to anyone who still doesn't understand the aquatic center, it will never bring in the revenue that was promised to the taxpayers of Greensboro. And to anyone who still doesn't understand in order to get the aquatic center passed supporters had to lie to the taxpayers.

ustaxpayer

January 1, 2010 - 7:15 am EST

this is not progress...we dont need a hotel, nor an aquatic center. Common sense, my friends...I agree with beachwalk...

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 1:30 pm EST

Agreed.

This luxury hotel is like a slap in the face to the homeless which frequent the downtown area and the working poor who struggle to put food on their table and provide a warm bed for their children to sleep. Meanwhile, the IRC (Interactive Resource Center) which would provide services to our homeless can't get enough money to finish the center for perhaps another year. I guess this facility will be needed to provide accommodations for the multitudes that will flood this city when we hold the huge swim meets at our new swim facility.

We need to get rid of some of these idiots running the show!

Risright

January 3, 2010 - 7:21 pm EST

There is also not a mass transit system in America that pays for itself either but you don't see cities not funding them....Economic development in many instances is about quality of life. Collectively; Hotels, Coliseum, aquatic center, ball parks, roads, etc. etc all add to the appeal of a community. You may argue that in some instances they don't break even but they sure generate a heck of a lot more income than a city park, a library, a sewer system or a greenway! A dynamic and viable city needs all of the above.

jeaniegnc

December 31, 2009 - 4:03 pm EST

I don't know if I went to the wrong schools or the reporter misunderstood what was being said but these figures do not add up to 100%. Urban Hotel Group will own 51% of the proposed downtown hotel, with 5% going to the neighborhood organization. Elm Street Center will own 49%. I wonder if the same person who provided these figures also did the 2008 feasibility study?

I certainly hope our CPA mayor and the city council will not accept what is being presented by this group without careful and thoughtful verification.

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 1:31 pm EST

It's called "Alston math"

countryboy

January 1, 2010 - 3:41 pm EST

Don't beat yourself up too bad, you just misread it....5% of the 51% share owned by UHG would go to the community organization....which mathematically is a little more than 5% of the gross. And what happened to the days when a person had a good business plan....built a hotel using private money...and reaped the rewards? Why does it seem that so many of these projects are funded by the taxpayer? Our children will be SWIMMING in debt...but at least that will have a nice hotel to dry off in.

MrHOPE

December 31, 2009 - 4:13 pm EST

Ok so isn't that about a block from the "Urban Ministry"? I thought the $200.00 a night crowd shied away from us po' folks. Is our slogan going to be "Greensboro, come slumming for a while"?

capricorn7nc

December 31, 2009 - 4:32 pm EST

No it is not a block from the Urban Ministry. The location is a block from the Depot, and in the middle of downtown. Quite a few blocks away from the Urban Ministry.

gsosteve

December 31, 2009 - 6:47 pm EST

Not only is the spot for this new hotel nowhere near Urban Ministries (as a previous poster stated), but I find that remark quite ignorant. If half of us had the cajones to go down to Urban Ministries and give some of our time or money, maybe this city would be a better place. Any organization that provides food, shelter, and clothing to those in need holds a special place in my heart for sure.

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 1:31 pm EST

Amen! Thank you!

capricorn7nc

January 1, 2010 - 12:16 am EST

Agreed gsosteve it was very ignorant. The plan for Elm Street redevelopment is to extend downtown. This hotel will not be on the corner of Lee and Elm, which is a block away, but there will be new buildings a block from Urban Ministry, Salvation Army, and Goodwill Industries. I support all three organizations, and if we did not have them there would be death on our streets for people who cannot do for themselves. This counties unemployment did not drop like the nation's unemployment did so those charitable organizations provide a service we need in this city. A lot of those people would have a job if people in this city would start realizing that every one does not have a job, or prospects for one. There are not companies fighting to locate here, so when they do want to locate here we need to support it so ignorant people like MrHOPE will not say stupid things that will not help anyone. The hotel may only provide 50 full-time jobs, but those are 50 people who will not sleep in a shelter and be able to provide for their families.

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 1:33 pm EST

"The hotel may only provide 50 full-time jobs, but those are 50 people who will not sleep in a shelter and be able to provide for their families."

I seriously doubt that the caliber of people hired for these jobs at this high-priced luxury facility will be the type that would be homeless. It's a nice thought though.

capricorn7nc

January 1, 2010 - 4:55 pm EST

All homeless people weren't always homeless, and some recently became homeless. Some still have nice clothing and a nice car, so it is possible for people in the shelter to get a job at a luxury hotel. They have job placement at some of these shelters so it is possible for them to end up working at a luxury hotel. Also, I do not like the fact that what you said is inherently ignorant in that it says if they are in a shelter they will never be able to get out of that shelter. If we looked at people like you are looking at them they will be there forever. How else will they get out if someone will not hire them?

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 7:54 pm EST

Do you know what "tongue-in-cheek" means? Clearly, you jump so quickly to JUDGE me that you didn't think about how what I was saying was meant!

You wrote: "Also, I do not like the fact that what you said is inherently ignorant in that it says if they are in a shelter they will never be able to get out of that shelter."

You jump all over me without knowing anything about me! Check out my post several slots above about this hotel being a a slap in the face to the homeless and working poor. I very well KNOW they weren't always homeless! I very well KNOW our homeless population is growing! I very well KNOW that a great many of these people are highly intelligent and very qualified to do a great many things! I personally have worked to help get homeless people off the street and into housing, and I take great offense that YOU would judge me so harshly. How about paying attention to some of the things I post on this subject sometime, and maybe you'll see how very wrong you are about me. But whatever, I don't do what I do for your recognition but because I feel it's the right thing to do. I won't expect an apology because I doubt seriously you're man/woman enough to do so. Happy New Year!

capricorn7nc

January 1, 2010 - 7:59 pm EST

I am not going to apologize for you saying.

You wrote: "I seriously doubt that the caliber of people hired for these jobs at this high-priced luxury facility will be the type that would be homeless. It's a nice thought though."

That sounds like you are putting down people who are homeless, and that may try to get a job at this hotel. Regardless of how you meant it to come out it sounds like you are saying they do not the fit the bill of people who can work at this luxury hotel. I am not saying that is what you meant. I said that is what it sounds like when you post something like that.

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 8:17 pm EST

I KNEW you weren't man/woman enough to apologize or admit they were wrong. It takes a big man/woman to do so, and clearly you're not up to those standards. Or perhaps you don't understand what "tongue in cheek" means? How many homeless have YOU helped? What do YOU do for them? My bet is NOTHING!!!!!

I really could care less what you think. Besides, in a later post where you bring up A&T homecoming accidents and violence being the fault of the police, you've clearly shown YOUR intelligence. Don't bother to reply... you're a waste of keystrokes.

hunterG

December 31, 2009 - 4:20 pm EST

I think it's a good idea to have a hotel close to the Civil Rights museum but I have a concern because there has been little consideration given to the project being designed by the House of Prayer Church c/o E. Market and Bennett Street on the old Post Office site. At one point it was mentioned that they may include a hotel as part of their plans for that property.

william1944

December 31, 2009 - 4:51 pm EST

Anybody remember the "Royal Villa'? Or the Downtown Greensboro convention center?
But wait a minute! The new Aquatic center is going to draw huge crowds away from Charlotte, Cary, and Wilmington,
right?
Again, the taxpayers are being taken for ride.

winter23

December 31, 2009 - 5:01 pm EST

Does no one see the possible conflict of interest by the statement of "Melvin “Skip” Alson, chairman of the Guilford County commissioners and the real estate broker for the deal." Was he not involved in the over 10 year reconstruction of the Woolworth's Museum? Were there not several questions of inapproporate use of funding by this same individual. I find it interesting that the Museum will finally be open this next Feb and now he is involved in another big money city project. How much is this really going to benefit Greensboro and its citizens to cost us 38 million dollars in federal and city/county incentives? Because we all are paying for it. My biggest concern will be that this will be another sink hole of taxpayer money that will have Skip's name all over it for the next 10 years.

Beachwalk

December 31, 2009 - 9:23 pm EST

If Skip Alston's name is connected in anyway to any project, the city should run away from it as fast and as soon as possible.

dcolin

January 2, 2010 - 3:14 pm EST

First time I have ever agreed with you.

This scares me.

RealTruth

December 31, 2009 - 5:23 pm EST

Other than the Pulpit Forum, and East Market Street Development Corporation, who keeps Skip Alston's ego on high alert? Does he have any idea how many people have figured out that he is a crook and a liar? Oh...wait...he's head of the County Commissioners! I forgot, that's one of the entrance criteria for the County Commissioners and the Greensboro Clown Council! Have the citizens forgotten his involvement with Project Homestead? Guess so because he keeps getting elected. Are he and Robbie brothers?

AcTiOnJaXn

December 31, 2009 - 6:07 pm EST

Wake up Greensboro! You are being taken for a ride by this developer. Do your research, or how about this... Call one of your local hotels and ask for the occupancy for tonight. You'll come to find out it's probably around 40 to 50% maybe just a little higher because of New Years celebrations by locals. Greensboro does not have a demand for more hotel rooms, we can't fill the ones we have. The city knows this already because they charge an occupancy tax on all the occupied rooms. All this new property will do is hurt the revenue of the current hotels in our area. As for local jobs, give us just 50 guaranteed fulltime employment opportunities at this property. Bet you cant make it happen.

oh good grief

December 31, 2009 - 6:22 pm EST

Ole Robbie better bring a couple of bottles of liniment to the Jan. 19 city council meeting to keep his texting finger feeling fine that evening.

dcolin

January 2, 2010 - 3:15 pm EST

Ole Robbie

I call him "The Weasel."

oh good grief

December 31, 2009 - 6:46 pm EST

Slightly off-topic, but did any others catch our former mayor Yvonne's appearance on WFMY-TV about 6:25 tonight in an advertisement for an eyeglasses establishment in Burlington? Looks like Yvonne has broadened both her vision and her base.

swerdna

January 1, 2010 - 1:36 pm EST

And the one who cared so much for Greensboro was advertising for a business located in.... BURLINGTON!

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