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We should stop charging our children as adults

Saturday, December 19, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

The U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee this week passed a bill that will encourage states to improve their youth justice systems by keeping minors away from adult offenders, not incarcerating juveniles for minor offenses, and more. Our state leaders, too, should draw a lesson from the federal improvements to the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act — while the rest of the nation fine-tunes juvenile justice systems, North Carolina continues to charge children as adults.

Our state remains the only one in the nation that automatically prosecutes all 16- and 17-year-olds as adults — regardless of the severity of the crime and without any recourse to be remanded to the juvenile system. More than 30,000 of North Carolina’s children are currently involved with the adult criminal justice system, and more than 85 percent of these youth have committed minor crimes. Yet, for many, a single adolescent bad decision will determine the trajectory of their lives.

North Carolina should follow the data, which show that when minors are handled in the juvenile system, fewer of them go on to commit another crime. And that means lower costs to society and more youth growing up to become successful, productive citizens.

Mandy Ableidinger
Raleigh

The author is director, policy and budget analysis, Action for Children North Carolina.

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Yvonne

December 19, 2009 - 6:15 am EST

16-17 year old kids are as good as grown to me. They are well past the age of learning right from wrong.

Interested

December 19, 2009 - 7:43 am EST

Of course children of this age know right from wrong. At issue at this age is their ability to think situations through and make non-emotional, mature decisions. There are teens charged as adults after many confrontations with the law throughtout their early teen years. Perhaps it is time for some of these young adults to pay the piper in hopes of preventing their behavior from escalating further. But there are also teens who have toed the line up to this point in their lives. In their headstrong, hormonal quest to buck authority, or impress their "friends", they cross the line, are charged as adults, and with one blink of an eye, stigmatize themselves for life. For some of these young adults, the transgression maybe severe enough to warrant such branding. But for those whose actions are a little lower on the crime totem pole, the opportunity to receive punishment with a less-permanent scar might allow them to realize the second-chance they are being given and become a more productive citizen.

J.M.W.

December 19, 2009 - 9:21 am EST

I agree Interested. The removal of corporal punishment from schools isn't the fault of the children. Some well-meaning intellectuals think that children will respond to reason. What about the evil? And then when it manifests itself in a petty theft or throwing rocks at Dudley school buses, all of a sudden they're up under a drooling inmate with AIDS. This is a far cry from time-out.

Since Madlyn O'Hair and Dr. Spock removed all hope of giving these brats true self-esteem, should we not hold their hands until age 18 so they can then be responsible for their inherent proclivities? Yes.

rightwingnemesis

December 19, 2009 - 9:47 am EST

Mr. or Mrs. J.M.W.,
What did Madlyn Murray O'Hair have to do with any of this? Do you believe that prayer in school kept children out of the judicial system? That's a pretty thin argument there, but I'm sure you have some scripture to back it up.
Intellectuals are responsible? Wow.

ghost from white oak

December 19, 2009 - 9:57 am EST

Do you believe that removing prayer from school keeps children out of the judicial system?

rightwingnemesis

December 19, 2009 - 10:13 am EST

Mr. ghost,
I think it is irrelevant. It is, however, something for people to hide behind, pretending they have a simple answer to a complex problem.
Before O'Hair, prayer in school was compulsory. There are some who cannot seem to get past that, and it is a great fund raising technique for James Dobson, Pat Robertson etc.

J.M.W.

December 19, 2009 - 10:16 am EST

Actually, I wanted an excuse to retell something I did to a Dudley bus as a teenager.

ghost from white oak

December 19, 2009 - 11:03 am EST

When I attended school in Greensboro, prayer was compulsory, I don't think I have suffered any adverse effects from it . However, when you remove it and try to pretend God doen't exsist, it's difficult to convey much hope and sense of what's right and wrong to young thugs. I did not say it "was the only answer"
I just ask if you thought removing it made the hoodlums better for it.

Badgolfer1

December 19, 2009 - 7:24 pm EST

That happened back in 1962 almost fifty years ago.

Beachwalk

December 19, 2009 - 10:51 am EST

Why don't you prove that taking prayer out of school didn't and doesn't have anything to do with the higher violence we see in today's schools and teens.
Actually the statistics would not be in your favor.

Panacea

December 19, 2009 - 12:21 pm EST

You cannot prove a causal relationship between no school prayer and violence.

There was a time when people thought comic books induced violence until this was disproven with actual research.

The problem is children are not held to any standard of behavior, and teachers are not allowed control of their own classrooms. Fix that problem, and many problems in the schools will get better.

Secondly, we need things to do and places to go for teens that will keep them out of trouble.

Most importantly, parents have to 1) give a damn and get involved and 2) look at the fact little Johnny or little Jane might actually be at fault.

rightwingnemesis

December 19, 2009 - 3:48 pm EST

Mr. Beachwalk,
Compulsory prayer is irrelevant. Making someone recite something does not make us a better country. Sounds like you love organized religion more than anything else. Most people who wax sentimental over compulsory school prayer are giving a smokescreen for their real (unvoiced) concern----desegregated schools.

ghost from white oak

December 19, 2009 - 9:13 pm EST

How you can equate school prayer with racism is a tad far fetched, even for most left wingers who post here.

Badgolfer1

December 19, 2009 - 3:10 pm EST

Two cases of 17 year olds committing first degree murder come to me. One was involved in the case of Eve Carson the UNC student body president killed a couple of years ago, plus the killing of a Duke student as well. The other case was the Virginia and Maryland beltway sniper killings from back in 2002. Both 17 year olds are said to have participated as shooters, yet are not able to get the death penalty. The latter case has already been determined with a life sentence, while here in NC the other case has not yet gone to trial. Plus here in NC there is a mess presently where Gov. Bev doesn't want to let out some serving life sentences for getting out for good behavior, yet throwing a Christmas party and inviting others with similar backgrounds just last week.

I am unsure of the letter writer's contention that NC is the only state in the nation that treats 16 and 17 year olds as adults considering what I had heard of only the oldest shooter of Eve Carson potentially being tried with death penalty attached.

danagain

December 19, 2009 - 9:01 am EST

Anyone know if they still have the first offenders program? I remember a friend in HS who found a credit card and attempted to use it. She got caught and enrolled in that program, which involved community service and attending a few meetings. In return the criminal charge was expunged from her record but if she got caught doing anything illegal again (can't remember the time period) the charge would be right back on the record.

30,000? Wow.

unbiased

December 19, 2009 - 11:22 am EST

16-17 year olds know right from wrong, and most definitely should have the basic skills to think through an issue without resorting to criminal activity. These are things that should be instilled by age 12-14. Further, at least in Guilford County, 16-17 year olds are not being thrown in jail for minor offenses. There is too much serious crime being committed by this age group. Take a look at the GC jail inmate list any time you like - you'll see serious assaults, robberies, gun offenses, etc. Let's not be ignorant and pretend that these "kids" are held in jail for petty theft, vandalism and so on. That is simply not the case, and the writer clearly has her head in the clouds or a specific agenda.

left-wing conspiracy theorist

December 19, 2009 - 8:32 pm EST

I couldn't disagree with you more. As scary as this sounds, I know 13, 14, and 15 year olds who are perfectly willing and able to commit any kind of violent crime you can imagine.

What you need to understand is while these are children in the chronological sense, they by are in reality low-functioning adults, who have already irretrievably been denied their childhood due to poor parenting. They have been exposed to the seediest of adult issues all their lives, and manipulate the juvenile system like the career criminals many are destined to be.

unbiased

December 19, 2009 - 10:27 pm EST

Knowing right from wrong is a very basic concept. I'm not talking about any level of problem solving ability, simple right from wrong...the same test that is applied to the insane defense. It doesn't matter how low functioning they are, and what the causes were. If you want to take that approach you'd have to apply sentencing guidelines based on the defendant's personal history, on a case by case basis. It's absurd to imagine a punishment based on how little guidance they were given as a child growing up.

I understand all too well what juveniles are capable of and just how well thought out the criminal activity of 16-17 years olds is. I see it up close and personal almost everyday. In fact, based on my experience I would prosecute all criminals under the same guidelines, with no special and reduced juvenile sentencing at all. Any criminal age 13-17 could simply be housed in a juvenile facility. The current juvenile system does nothing but embolden young criminals into thinking they can get away with crime, suffering only a relative slap on the wrist. The current system actually ENCOURAGES criminal activity among juveniles due to the pathetic consequences handed down in juvenile court.

I know these things because I've seen it. I've investigated juvenile crime, followed through cases in the juvenile system, dealt with and talked to juvenile offenders, and heard first hand, straight from juvenile offenders' mouths what a joke they think the system is. They continue their activity, cause havoc and grief at home, their parent(s) get completely frustrated because the juvenile system doesn't make a difference, and they ultimately learn how to be better criminals while everyone else plays patty cake with them. These kids laugh at the process and people like the letter writer, and I don't blame them.

overtaxed

December 20, 2009 - 2:28 am EST

Saw this on AC 360 last Monday. The kid in the video is what's being churned out of the schools fomerly run by the current Secretary of Education .

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/14/video-teens-world-explodes-in-braw...

citizenx

December 21, 2009 - 10:00 am EST

Our children should not be punished as adults just because they are 16. They should be punished based on the severity of the crime. A child who vandalizes a wall should not have to have that on their record for the rest of their lives -v- someone at the same age commiting murder. Common sense should prevail; however in the world we live in today, it is political correctness that prevails.

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