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Officials say Greensboro needs two parking decks

Saturday, December 19, 2009
(Updated 2:02 pm)

GREENSBORO — City officials say downtown could need up to two more parking decks in the next 18 to 36 months.

The most likely site for another deck would be the city-owned surface lot at Greene and McGee streets.

“This is our ... best site for the first deck,” said Michael Cramer, business and operations manager for the Greensboro Department of Transportation. “We think we can get the most bang for the buck (there).”

The deck would hold about 400 cars, include 15,000 to 18,000 square feet of retail space along Greene Street and cost about $6 million. Its facade would resemble the historic look of surrounding buildings.

Cramer said a second possible site would be the county-owned lot behind the YMCA bounded by South Spring, South Edgeworth and West Washington streets. That deck would relieve pressure created by the Guilford County jail under construction.

A city study identified three other possible sites for decks, including spots north and south of NewBridge Bank Park and one on the Lincoln National lot at North Davie and East Market streets.

In a memo this week to City Manager Rashad Young, Transportation Director Adam Fischer described the potential capacity and cost of the decks. They could range from 400 to 1,200 spaces and cost $6 million to $10 million. All would include retail space and what designers call “urban facades.”

Any new decks would be paid for by revenues generated by the city’s four existing decks, all of which have been paid off.

The study does not provide a timetable for construction.

Transportation officials called the plans conceptual, adding that property owners of potential deck sites have not been contacted. They said the city probably would not build two decks at the same time.

In September 2008, the City Council asked the transportation staff to explore parking needs downtown. The study, completed in March, was originally scheduled to go to the council three months ago but was delayed by other business.

Transportation officials hope to brief the City Council in January.

Even with the delay, transportation officials believe the findings remain vital.

“I don’t think the climate has changed,” Fischer said. “We are starting to feel more pressure on South Elm with the new development that is going on there.”

Fischer’s memo called a parking deck for that area “the most pressing need.”

Ed Wolverton, president and CEO of Downtown Greensboro Inc., said he’s comfortable with a deck at the Greene-McGee location, but he believes the city needs a second deck near the jail.

Construction of the eight-story building at 401 W. Sycamore St. has displaced more than 100 spaces in an existing lot.

“There is definitely going to be need for additional parking for that complex,” Wolverton said. “We need to stay ahead of the curve to make sure we have adequate infrastructure to meet (future) demands.”

Other downtown stakeholders think the jail area should be the preferred site for a new parking deck.

“Everybody in the city obviously has their heads stuck in the sand,” said Milton Kern, a downtown developer. “They don’t have enough places for people building the jail, not to mention when it is finished.

“Somewhere down the line, we might need a deck at (Greene and McGee), but being No. 1? No.”

Contact Donald W. Patterson at 373-7027 or don.patterson@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Michael McQueen

Photo Caption: The Greensboro skyline.

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beedev

December 19, 2009 - 9:35 am EST

Let's see...do we go with what Transportation Dept. officials say or what Milton Kern says? The Transportation Dept. is staffed by licensed professional engineers. What are "Uncle Milty's" qualifications to even offer an opinion? Who gives a rip what he thinks??

Beachwalk

December 19, 2009 - 10:25 am EST

"Any new decks would be paid for by revenues generated by the city’s four existing decks, all of which have been paid off."

Let's see now, the existing decks are paid for. That means the money coming in from those existing decks is now revenue. I would assume that revenue is being put to good use and is now being use pay for or offset the expenses of other things in Greensboro. Question: Where will the money come from to replace the revenue those existing decks bring in (which will now be used to pay from more parking decks)?
Oh, Oh, Oh, I know. TAXPAYERS !

Panacea

December 19, 2009 - 12:07 pm EST

Right now any revenue from the current parking decks is gravy in the city tax system. It makes sense to use that revenue to build new parking decks to ease parking issues downtown. Parking was an issue even before they started construction of the new jail.

This issue is different from the swim center, BW. When we talk about parking, we're talking about essential infrastructure. Decent parking supports access to city buildings and businesses for everyone, and keeps the local economy humming.

That they're not talking about a bond issue for a parking deck is a good thing.

nclawkid

December 19, 2009 - 8:17 pm EST

Agreed. The lot at Green and McGee also stands to bring in a good amount of revenue from the ground floor retail in the deck, especially if planners can find a way to put some of the retail space facing Elm.

Beachwalk

December 19, 2009 - 9:30 pm EST

Panacea, I see what you are saying, I just don't agree.
In today's economic climate there is NO gravy. During tough economic times is not the time to spend more. I don't care if it is for a cement pond or a parking deck.

gsosteve

December 20, 2009 - 1:13 am EST

Panacea has an extremely valid point. Beachwalk, I don't know how familiar you are with government, in particular with city government. Often, when the city pays for something to be built which will, at a later date, collect revenue, there are specific rules as to where that money must go. For example, the city most likely cannot take the money raised from parking fees to pay for upgrades to the water system. Most likely, as would be the case with any similar project in any city, the revenue raised from those structures specifically goes into the coffers of the transportation department, not the city as a whole. I don't know if you've ever parked downtown, I used to work in the courthouse. Not only does the county not provide you with parking, but the nearest free parking is quite a haul. Parking is a serious issue downtown, one that needs to be solved if we desire to bring more businesses into the downtown area and improve our economic outlook.

We can't just stop city government in its tracks because there's an economic crisis. I've been unemployed since April, so I know how much of a "crisis" it is. As a matter of fact, infrastructure can often be built well below the normal costs during an economic downturn because construction companies need the work and often slice into their profit margin just to keep afloat.

luvdowntowngso

December 19, 2009 - 6:03 pm EST

I don't like the proposed location of the jail deck! This property is ripe for future development. How about the corner lot at Edgeworth and West Washington? Yes, it is a smaller lot but no good for much else to be put there. Use that lot and go more vertical with the deck. That would also help to hide that totally ugly house that was relocated near there when the land for the jail was cleared. Who's bright idea was that! I hear it was a land swap for jail property. It's a stupid place to relocate house that has been setting there for a year and has yet to be fixed up. When will Greensboro learn to pratice good planning?

Get Real

December 20, 2009 - 1:45 am EST

Let's just build 2 parking decks instead of the jail.

dailyparker1

December 21, 2009 - 11:26 am EST

I park in the deck at the corner of Washington & Greene street every day. The city needs not only two new parking areas/decks, but maybe THREE! The recent deluge of jurors and others because of the "displacement" has created not only a major annoyance, but a major public safety issue. I wonder if the city council members and DOT people and anyone else associated with the city would care to feel trapped in a parking deck. Let something happen and where are you supposed to go? It's dangerous and I don't really care where the money comes from, SOMETHING needs to get done. Stop putting it off, get busy and create parking. You wanted a big downtown, now act like it and create sufficient parking for those of us who work here!!!

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