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George Bush deserves credit for TARP bailout

Wednesday, December 16, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

Bob Carter (letter, Dec. 11) chided “right-wing naysayers (who) were ready to impeach Obama and fire the Fed chairman,” apparently for their involvement with the Troubled Assets Relief Program. His request is for all who “said all those negative things” to write President Obama an apology letter. He puts forth a few statements apparently intended to show the wisdom of the legislation, particularly in light of the recent TARP payback by Bank of America ($45 billion, with interest). He may be (or perhaps is not) aware of the fact that a number of other banks also paid their TARP money back with interest, some as early as June 17.

If truth be told, President Obama should not be credited with this financial rescue. For the record, Mr. Carter, the TARP legislation was established on Oct. 3, 2008, three-and-a-half months before Obama was inaugurated. Perhaps Mr. Carter should write his letter of apology to George W. Bush.

Todd A. Robinson
Greensboro

 

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J D R

December 16, 2009 - 4:41 am EST

Agreed .. but if you accept "The TARP legislation was established on Oct. 3, 2008, three-and-a-half months before Obama was inaugurated." then you must also accept the $800-Billion portion of the current deficit - which we constantly hear is SOOO much higher under Obama - also belongs to Bushie.

Here's my take (stolen from elsewhere): 37% due to economic cycles, 33% due to Bush policies, 20% due to Obama's decision to continue Bush policies, and 10% from Pure Obama policies. So, it's roughly 1/3 for everybody - Bush, Obama and the economy.

rightwingnemesis

December 16, 2009 - 8:19 am EST

Mr. JDR,
Your points are quite valid. The headline of this letter is like saying, "Drunk driver who demolished fence, deserves credit for clean up".

Bert

December 16, 2009 - 9:29 am EST

Good one.

Beachwalk

December 16, 2009 - 10:00 am EST

So Barney Frank and Chris Dodd (the drunk drivers) who was responsible for this financial mess (the demolished fence), is trying to take credit for the "clean up" (or the $800 billion current deficit). Sounds good to me.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:06 am EST

How did you get to this conclusion, Beach?

J D R

December 16, 2009 - 7:20 pm EST

We've been asking for a while .. I'm not sure Beach Walker has a valid answer ...

oh wait .. he'll post an obscure (but wellplayed) video where barney and chris defend freeid and fannie an dsay nothing is wrong .. surely Cheney's boots were shaking when he heard the gay blade speak.

Doug Johnson

December 16, 2009 - 5:59 am EST

If anyone cares to read this letter it was 12-11-2009.
Bush is no longer president.
The liberals are in full charge, it's their ball game.
I expect you will see the same results you have in Raleigh
A total screwed up mess.
I just wish we would wake up and kick all of them out.
Brad Miller voted with out fan fare to take your tax dollars and fund abortions.
My tax dollars for someone else abortion, complete BS.
No one paid for my dentist this week. Nor do I expect them to!
Kay Hagan just vote a trillion dollars of your tax money, in a bill that has over 5000 pork projects in it.
Seems this paper missed it.
They to busy telling us all the world problems were caused by Palin and the tea party people.
Of course if you wait for something negative in this paper about liberals,
You will be waiting to hell freeze over.
Once again working folks in my opinion should set their goal to vote them all out.
If not for us, for our children, and grandchildren.
Now I have to go out and feed some real dogs.
Of course they do their job!

Left Wing Troll

December 16, 2009 - 9:46 am EST

DJ, are you attempting to write some kind of verse or bad poetry?? Paragraphs please!!!! Seriously!!

oh good grief

December 16, 2009 - 10:42 am EST

Left Wing Troll, how ironic that you are criticizing "DJ" when your reply to DJ indicates that you are uneducated as to the proper punctuation (spacing) of words in print, that is, two spaces are required after final punctuation which ends a sentence.

neocon

December 16, 2009 - 6:41 am EST

"George Bush deserves credit for TARP bailout"

Yes but BOA paid back the $ on zero's watch. This is what sparked the celebration amongst liberals, Mr. Robinson.

I say let them bask in the glow, no matter how artificial, because God knows they have little else to toot their horns about.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:11 am EST

BOA "paid us back" with money they got from us. Here's how it worked: we bought their bad loans. They made a profit by selling them to us as well as getting the losses off their books. We took a loss buying them and will take more as foreclosures and defaults increase.
They used the money they got from selling us these bad loans to pay back the money they borrowed from us, at least partially. The rest they got by using the money we loan them at 0% interest to speculate on stocks and invest in foreign businesses (really).
So in short, 100% of the money they paid us back with came from us. How is this good? The programs are 100% Bush + Obama since there is no difference in their policies. Doesn't matter if you are Republican and blame it on Obama, Barney, Dodd, whomever. Doesn't matter if you're a Democratic and blame it on Reagan, Bush, Paulson or whomever. There is NO difference between Republicans and Democrats here. They are both lying and you are all too busy arguing about parties and making up cutesy names for each other while your pockets are being emptied to fund foreign businesses.
How is this working for you?

neocon

December 16, 2009 - 11:31 am EST

It's not working. You'll not find where I defended any government bailout by anyone, R or D. Bailouts are unconstitutional, but so is the establishment and maintenance of the welfare state.

TARP aside, the liberals have so little to point to in terms of achievement, I say let them wallow in this artificial 'victory' for zero. If it trips their trigger, let 'em have at it. It's been a long year for them and it looks like the next three will be more of the same...one failure and lie after the other.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 2:54 pm EST

No, I've never seen you take a pro-bailout stance. And we usually aren't in agreement on non-defense issues, but we usually are on Constitutional ones as we are here.

danagain

December 16, 2009 - 6:40 am EST

One would think all or at least some of the unallocated and paid back TARP money would be used to pay down the deficit, but of course not. Nancy Pelosi has her eyes on it to "create jobs". Wasn't the stimulus supposed to create jobs? Stimulus II?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/04/AR200912...

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:12 am EST

There is an easy way to use money to create jobs. I do it all the time. I call it "hiring".

ghost from white oak

December 16, 2009 - 11:48 am EST

Unfortunately, the guvmint is about the only one doing the hiring!

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 2:55 pm EST

We hired five in 2009, and we only employ 32 total.

JGALT

December 16, 2009 - 7:39 am EST

In addition to Bank of America's recent repayment, Citigroup and Wells Fargo will be repaying the TARP loans. The taxpayer made money on these. Under the Bush Administration, Secretary Paulson, former head of the New York Fed (now Secy Treasury) Tim Geitner, and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke deserve credit. Their actions helped stabilize the financial system. The intrusion was designed to be targeted and temporary. AIG remains problematic but improving.

The Obama administrations plans are different: how do we use taxpayer money to reward supporters.

rightwingnemesis

December 16, 2009 - 8:22 am EST

Mr. JGALT,
While your cynicism is ever present and your right turn signal continues to be stuck, I agree that Bernanke, Geitner and Paulson all deserve credit for avoiding a second depression.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:14 am EST

If you think the taxpayer made money on these, you are deceived. Check all the money the Fed gave banks to buy their bad loans. This is what they are using (in addition to borrowing and issuing shares) to "pay us back".

Conundrum

December 16, 2009 - 9:14 am EST

“If truth be told, President Obama should not be credited with this financial rescue.” If I follow Mr. Robinson’s logic, if he wants Pres. Bush to be given credit for the rescue, shouldn’t Pres. Bush also take responsibility for the things that led to these institutions needing rescue? It amazes me that Bush supporters (sans Dan), omit the eight years that led up unto this point. It’s as if the George W. Bush presidency never happened. During the Bush years, at some point, 5 ex-CEOs had served in his cabinet and three of the five served as Treasury secretary. And throw in Mr. Bush’s MBA from Harvard, and you mean to tell me that with all of this “knowledge” that some of the current economic misery could not have been avoided. The Bush supporters want to white-out the negatives and focus on the positives.

Mr. Robinson, if you want me to give Pres. Bush credit for TARP, I will. But, I will also give him the culpability for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I will also blame him (the CEO president – his words) for not being prescient enough over his eight year term to have curtailed some of the bleeding that is now going on. If you want the kudos, you have to accept the brickbats.

rwrn

December 16, 2009 - 9:56 am EST

I fault all mentioned above for the financial crisis and lets not forget Barney "playing with" Frank and Chris Dodd for their continued pressure on the evil "fat cat" bankers to lend money to people who could not pay it back. And if I'm not mistaken they along with Barry are doing it again by telling banks to loosen up and lend more to help the economy. All government no matter which party deserve credit for our mess and I see nothing to make me believe any of them have a clue what to do.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:15 am EST

While they did apply pressure, there is not now nor ever has been any law that forces banks to issue bad loans to anyone.
I have actually read the text of the CRA, have you?

Bert

December 16, 2009 - 9:42 am EST

The Bob Carter letter which this letter addresses was that favorite call to action for our usual suspects towards the right of this blog, i.e. an essentially dumb and inaccurate point from their left. "Conservatives" mount your horses -- CHARGE!!! No just at poor Mr. Carter, but ALL liberals everywhere -- for a whole bunch of stuff that pisses you off, not just the TARP money for gosh sakes! This is no time to focus but a time to pile it all on -- abortion, Kay Hagan, taxes -- nothing's off limits -- no ref's whistle --- just pile on!

Oh, what fun!

ghost from white oak

December 16, 2009 - 10:15 am EST

I do blame Bush for the " TARP bailout", it should have never happened. How much has it helped the American people? Not much that I can see, big bankers, that's a different story.
With that said, now the money that is being paid back (which should pay off debt) is being eyed for more political pay back and pork. Those clowns in DC just can not stand for any piles of taxpayer money to go unspent.
They will talk theirselves into pissing it away very soon.

JGALT

December 16, 2009 - 11:05 am EST

Bear Stearns failed, Lehman Brothers failed, Washington Mutual failed, Wachovia failed, AIG would have failed as would Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, Bank of America,Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, GE Credit, and the rest of the dominoes around the world. The world is financially interconnected through millions of transactions and counter party risk-- not just businesses but governments as well. No credit is ever given for catastrophe not experienced but the meltdown that would have occurred would have harmed the American people enormously and for years.

Government intrusion is offensive but what taxpayers have experienced is better than the alternative.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:17 am EST

Well said, JGalt. It had to be done but let's not pretend that the banks are repaying anything.

pragmatist

December 16, 2009 - 10:59 am EST

You forget about something important in all of this: the Feds still own warrants to purchase additional stock in big banks at a premium even after the TARP funds are paid back. In the case of BOA, the Fed received its $45B in repayment, plus $190M in accrued dividends and STILL holds warrants to buy buying millions if not billions more in BOA stock at a strike price that should present even more taxpayer profits in the future. These warrants- not just with Bank of America, but the other banks as well- give the Fed a vested interest in the way banks operate going forward, just as they would a private investor.
So, whoever gets credit for it, the TARP, which had been vilified as an irresponsible government handout, produced not only the essential liquidity that was missing in the 1929 crash, thus providing stability in a crisis, but has also proved to be a damned good use of taxpayer funds as an investment.

trabun

December 16, 2009 - 11:18 am EST

Pragmatist: let me get this right. If you loan me money and I pay you back with your own money, that is a good investment? Can I get $10 million to go? I will pay you back if you loan me $11 million at 0% interest.

pragmatist

December 16, 2009 - 11:25 am EST

If I loan you money and you pay me back all the money back in less than a year plus an additional 190 million dollars in dividends and warrants to purchase stock in you for less than your present value, yes, I'd say that's a good investment.

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