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Aquatics center approved with hotel tax funding

Wednesday, December 16, 2009
(Updated 8:37 am)

GREENSBORO — In the first major decision of its new term, a narrowly divided City Council agreed to build an $18.8 million aquatics center at the Greensboro Coliseum.

The 5-4 vote reaffirms a decision made by the previous council Dec. 1. That decision calls for using $12 million in voter-approved bonds and about $7 million in hotel tax revenue to build the center.

Mayor Bill Knight and council members Mary Rakestraw, Trudy Wade and Danny Thompson voted against the construction contract and the use of the hotel tax revenue.

They instead wanted to go back to voters for a second bond referendum for the balance needed.

“Let’s let the voters speak,” Knight said. “There is no higher authority than the voters of Greensboro.”

But in the end, council members Nancy Vaughan, Jim Kee, Robbie Perkins, T. Dianne Bellamy-Small and Zack Matheny voted down that suggestion and approved the funding as originally passed.

Vaughan said it seemed appropriate to fund the gap with hotel tax because it will be paid by visitors.

“I really like the idea of having this as a user fee,” she said. “It is kind of the ultimate user fee.”

The proposed aquatics center would include a 50-meter competitive pool, a learn-to-swim warm-up pool, a diving well and spectator seating.

During its first meeting two weeks ago, the new council wanted to receive a full briefing on the project and weigh in on it.

Thompson argued that the council should take a step back to reconsider the funding options.

Kee, however, said his concerns about the project — including whether it would truly be accessible to the community — have been answered.

Council members heard from opponents and proponents of the project. Swim supporters outnumbered those who spoke against the aquatics center.

Fifteen-year-old diver Lily Armstrong said her team at Tumblebees gym uses gymnastics equipment to practice diving because the city doesn’t have a proper diving board.

“Our team also travels two hours to Huntersville once or twice a month to train in a pool and real H2O,” Armstrong said.

Proponents argued that the aquatics center will be an opportunity to teach more children to swim. Earlier this week, the Community Foundation announced a fund that will pay for a learn to-swim-program at the aquatics center.

The foundation already has received $100,000 in commitments from anonymous donors to pay for five years of classes for Guilford County schoolchildren. The program will be aimed at first- and second-graders.

“Think of what you have in your power to create,” Walker Sanders, president of the Community Foundation, told council members. “We can talk about the economics. We can talk about the cost. Doesn’t it really come back to what we invest in our community and what we invest in our children?”

Opponents expressed concerns about the cost of the center.

“Where are we going to get the funds if this thing costs more money?” resident Richard Hyde asked. “Are we going to increase taxes?”

Resident Joe Guarino and other speakers argued that residents were misled.

“If you approve this proposal, you would be making yourself a party to all the deception that has taken place,” Guarino said.

Bob Malekoff, a professor of sports studies at Guilford College, urged the council to hold off on making a decision until more information about the economic impact could be obtained.

He said it is difficult to accurately estimate the economic impact. The $14 million suggested by local tourism officials is likely flawed or incomplete, he said.

Hill Carrow, who helped come up with that estimate, said the economics could be debated. But his suggested schedule of 12 major meets a year is solid , he said.

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Emma McPeeters (middle), 10, and Noah Zawadzki (right), 9, both from Greensboro, cheer after the City Council votes Dec. 15 to build an aquatics center.

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RealTruth

December 15, 2009 - 10:17 pm EST

I don't know why the City Council wasted all of the time discussing the swim center issue and inconveniencing the citizens of Greensboro! When the Council entered the chambers, Robbie gave several signals to his buddies in the audience indicating that he had the votes to pass the swim center item. I personally watched him give the signal at least twice. He was grinning that Cheshire cat grin that all used car salesmen get when they know they have just talked the customer into buying a lemon!

Why didn't Robbie just come into the Chambers and announce that the deal was done? Could have saved a lot of time. I guess Nancy Vaughan IS part of the Irving Park Three. Shame on you Jim Kee for being brainwashed by Zach and Robbie...we thought you were better than that!

Anyone who thinks Bill Knight is Mayor, you too are sadly mistaken. It is very clear that Robbie Perkins has complete control of the Council. It will be a long two years for Danny Thompson, Mary Rakestraw and Trudy Wade. Although they have the citizens best interest at heart, they don't have the votes.

It's back to the usual back-room politics in Greensboro. I took the bait from Bill Knight and believed that he was the instigator of change and I also believed that he knew how to run a meeting. Now I know none of that was true. It's really sad and disappointing.

record2009

December 15, 2009 - 10:37 pm EST

Maybe the mayor went to Obama U to learn how to mislead the populace during a campaign.

unclesam

December 15, 2009 - 11:35 pm EST

How in the world was the estimate to build this center missed by more than 50 percent? I can't believe that the true cost was known but just was not disclosed. Maybe all future bond issues will have to be supported by estimates prepared by outside financial consultants. Also, will the general public be permitted to use the facilities or will they be reserved for the swimming elite.

d_random

December 15, 2009 - 11:50 pm EST

Hope it doesn't sink like the Cary Aquatic Center did!

fisher

December 16, 2009 - 9:31 am EST

They bulldozed that place? I hadn't heard. You'd think that would have made the news.

d_random

December 16, 2009 - 11:08 am EST

The new aquatic center built in Cary with no government funding is now asking the government to take it over.

fisher

December 16, 2009 - 11:18 am EST

The facility is still up and running. The Cary community is using it.

Panacea

December 16, 2009 - 1:48 pm EST

But it is failing financially and asking taxpayers to bail it out.

Molly the Dog

December 16, 2009 - 2:37 pm EST

It will probably succeed like the Mecklenburg Aquatic Center in Charlotte, or the Savannah aquatic center, who cares about the elites over in Cary land.

timflowers

December 16, 2009 - 12:58 am EST

This is great news! The aquatics center is a bold project but it has the potential to put us back on the map as leading NC city. We need more big ideas of this nature.

The people who have criticized the center are the same people who criticize everything the city attempts to do, all the while saying that Greensboro is boring.

While it would be great if the private sector would build our airport, roads, transit systems, parks, and entertainment venues, no one has stepped up to do so. Sometimes the city has to lead the way.

ItsASchwinn

December 16, 2009 - 1:52 am EST

No Tim, the City is tasked to provide infrastructure not entertainment or to be in business.

aliluyya

December 16, 2009 - 4:28 pm EST

schwinn, the only cities that aren't businesses are failing ones. the city's business IS business, as in bringing more businesses to further growth. maybe you don't think G-boro should be interested in growth. you always have the option to move to any one of the hundreds of podunk towns in NC that have no growth.

I ask you, how much money does the abandoned canada dry factory bring in every day? None. Actually, the city has to pay for it's general upkeep and the safety issues it creates, so it is now a cash drain and an eyesore. Here's a thought: What is the value of the boost to High Point Rd/Lee St's image that such a beautiful facility will provide going to do to this blighted area of road? Bring better, more profitable businesses to the area, boost the businesses that are already there but who scrape along (Ghassan's, etc.). The city is trying to make this corridor a place locals can be proud of and visitors flock to, we all need to get on board and help out.

ItsASchwinn

December 17, 2009 - 2:29 pm EST

You're wrong, growth is created through infrastructure and proper planning. The business of the City is the people not business. If the City is managed properly business will grow.
I thought the coliseum was going to boost the value of the surrounding area? That would be a beautiful corridor if we had spent the money that has been lost on the coliseum on the streets, police and emergency services (infrastructure).
I came from a podunk little town in NC - Charlotte. When I grew up there it was the size of Greensboro. I’ve lived in a lot of other towns in the US and Europe, I’ve seen the mistakes they make. Now I see Greensboro making them so I speak out. If you just want to live in a big city Atlanta is a nice example of _great_ planning, pack your bags. I would rather live in a smart city.

ItsASchwinn

December 16, 2009 - 1:59 am EST

And, there is a reason the private sector doesn't build these facilities - no profit.

Mick

December 16, 2009 - 9:52 am EST

No profit to a privately owned business as taxes (sales tax, hotel tax) does not go to the facility. Much of the fiscal benefit of these types of facilities comes to the city via taxes not user fees.

ItsASchwinn

December 17, 2009 - 3:01 pm EST

These types of facilities generally don't generate the tax income needed to keep them in the black.

tledford

December 16, 2009 - 2:14 pm EST

"The people who have criticized the center are the same people who criticize everything the city attempts to do [...]"

Yes.

"[...] all the while saying that Greensboro is boring."

No.

Seriously, two different groups of people, by and large. But your point is made nonetheless.

luvdowntowngso

December 16, 2009 - 6:51 pm EST

CAVE People!! Citizens Against Virtually Everything!

newtogso

December 16, 2009 - 2:25 am EST

This is unfortunate. The process by which this Aquatics Center came to be is nothing to be proud of. In a city where sidewalks go nowhere, parks infrastructure is in decline, neighborhoods are reeling from daytime crime, we are saying that building an aquatics center is of the utmost importance. If we can find 6 million dollars to fund this gap, then we should be able to find an additional 6 million dollars to fund sidewalks, and to fund neighborhood revitalization, or to fund the Lee St. portion of the the High Pt. Rd/Lee St. Corridor plan. There was never any dispute, in my mind, that an aquatics center would be beneficial to our local economy...but, what was in dispute was the process in which it was proposed. An aquatics center will be a plus for Greensboro, but the process in which it was approved is not something we should be proud of.

fisher

December 16, 2009 - 9:36 am EST

You must not have attended the meeting or watched on tv. Earlier in the proceedings, there was a discussion of the Gateway education center to be located on East Lee Street. The plans all sounded quite positive, including insightful vision for future growth on Lee Street between Florida Street and 85. This included sidewalks!

marquisdepercin

December 16, 2009 - 6:09 am EST

Glad to see some Council Members have vision for the community. That area of the City will now start to become a jewel in the crown, that is Greensboro and the Triad.

d_random

December 16, 2009 - 11:14 am EST

...and that vision is to tax all the property owners of greensboro to death!

Molly the Dog

December 16, 2009 - 2:43 pm EST

If paying $2 a year takes you to death, then I suggest getting in the pool and doing some laps. It is amazing how ones outlook changes, and how one becomes more productive. It will help you deal with the anxiety of the $2.

ItsASchwinn

December 17, 2009 - 3:03 pm EST

I would like to get in the pool, but the ones the City operates now are always closed.

fatboy1

December 16, 2009 - 6:34 am EST

I would like to thank all the citizens of Greensboro on behalf of my elitist, rich, country club member daughter for your financial support of this project. I live in the county so I will be driving in and not paying city taxes to finanically support this but I will be enjoying a refreshing belly flop along with DBS.

My next project is to open a Civil War Museum in a delapidated, water damaged building downtown. In this case I will ask for $1M a year from the city and county for the next 10, 15, 20 years so that you will never know the true cost of it. The money may not actually flow to the project and there is a possiblity it may never open but with the standing water I should be able to include a pool for the basement...maybe some paddleboats resembling a peaceful chug down the mighty Mississipp!

Thanks for your support!

Fred

December 16, 2009 - 6:48 am EST

Hey FATBOY;
U r a genious! Can u use a partner?

Mick

December 16, 2009 - 9:17 am EST

That is differant from many other city services/facilities how? Just go swim in Reedy Fork crick like your granny an nem'

The sarcasm of the fat one does bring up a good point. Is it time for "City Cards" so county residents can pay slightly higher user fees. Probably more trouble than it is worth.

ItsASchwinn

December 17, 2009 - 3:06 pm EST

You can't live far enough away to keep the City from annexing your fatness. Doesn't matter how much they lose as long as you get taxed.

Oona

December 16, 2009 - 7:21 am EST

i'm embarassed at the lack of fortitude and short term memory of some of the elected leaders - the way the citizens of greensboro continually get swindled by developers/politicians - and the slant of this article which infers support for this expensive, untimely project.

mamaboilermaker

December 16, 2009 - 12:48 pm EST

As long as some people keep voting for the swindlers, the rest of us will have to pay.

Noticed the N&R put up the picture of smiling kids at the meeting. Those kids were just taught that they can get other people to pay for whatever they want--a valuable lesson, so they can grow up expecting to take no personal risks and make taxpayers buy whatever stuff they "need." They will be voting for the same swindlers in a few years and will never have the sense to know they are being had.

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