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College Hill will fight housing for students

Friday, December 4, 2009
(Updated 4:05 pm)

GREENSBORO — Melanie Bassett enjoys a peaceful coexistence with the UNCG students who rent property in her historic College Hill neighborhood.

What Bassett finds hard to make peace with, though, is the idea of a housing complex planned for more than 700 students just 10 feet from her 83-year-old home.

“It’s massive. It’s towering. It’s a campus,” Bassett said of the project, “and I never signed up to live on campus. It’s not what I spent my life savings on.”

Edwards Communities of Columbus, Ohio, has proposed building the housing complex, The Province.

The primary site the company is contracting for is the Newman Machine Co. on Jackson Street. The $45 million project will span about 10 acres, said Steven Simonetti, vice president of land acquisition and development with Edwards Communities.

“We’re going to come in and remove the entire building,” Simonetti said. “We’re going to clean up all the environmental issues. We’re going to spend $45 million building a mostly brick community. We’re going to maintain the topography. And we’re going to make it a very nice, very pleasant place to live and place to be near.”

But College Hill residents object to the project’s scale and density and say it could return the neighborhood to what they have spent 30 years trying to get away from.

Bassett, who has lived in College Hill off and on for 40 years, said the neighborhood fell into disrepair in the 1970s and became a magnet for transient populations. Millions of grant dollars were spent to help revitalize it, she said.

Today, College Hill is a mixture of cozy bungalows and stately Victorians, single-family homes and renters of various cultures, ages and backgrounds, Bassett said.

It’s one of Greensboro’s oldest communities, residents say, and historic jewels that make it special are sprinkled throughout the neighborhood. Bassett found original brick used to build her home while digging in her garden one day.

She pointed Thursday afternoon to what she said were original brick gutters that also line the curb at the corner of Lilly Avenue and South Mendenhall Street.

Residents maintain their streets by picking up trash, scrubbing graffiti and making calls to public works officials when abandoned furniture is left along the street for too long.

Bassett said 76 percent of College Hill residents are renters. She fears The Province would create a transient population that could force out the 24 percent of residents like herself who own their homes.

“I’ve been a teacher for 35 years. I’m not against students,” Bassett said. “I lend the students next door my garden furniture for their party. But there are three of them. There are not 750 of them.”

What residents like so much about College Hill is also what attracted Simonetti’s company to the property.

“Greensboro has been on the top of our list for over three years of places we’d like to build because of the school (UNCG) and because of the community,” Simonetti said.

“We are anxious and honored to be considered a part of the Greensboro community and a neighbor both in College Hill and for the university.”

Edwards has been developing and managing multifamily housing along the East Coast for more than 40 years and student housing for about a decade. Simonetti said the company specializes in high-end student complexes within walking distance of universities.

The Province would feature town house units that students rent by the bed. Prices will range from $500 to $600 a month and include furniture, cable and utilities.

Company officials have held multiple meetings with residents over the past several months about their plans, and Simonetti said the project was scaled back somewhat to address residents’ concerns. It originally was planned to house 770 students, but that has been reduced by about 50 beds. Buildings next to single-family houses will be limited to no more than two stories, and the company has agreed to fencing to buffer the property from the neighborhood.

Not all College Hill residents are against The Province.

“I can’t wait till they get it done,” said Don Gaston, who lives on Carr Street.

Gaston said in the five years since he bought his house, there has been a lot of talk of updating homes, cleaning up the neighborhood and wanting to see fewer slumlords buying the homes to rent to students.

The new development also will rid the neighborhood of a “super blighted” area that he said attracts derelicts and crime.

“It seems to me that this is the perfect answer for this neighborhood to get a hold of itself again,” Gaston said.

The College Hill Neighborhood Association formed a committee to fight the project. Its members wear “Save College Hill” buttons and have signs peppering their yards bearing the same message.

Residents took an early step in their battle Thursday afternoon when they filed a protest petition with the city. The filing of the petition came more than a week before the city zoning board will have its say about the proposal.

“It basically lets the developer know that we’re not laying down taking this quietly,” resident Ron Walters said after filing the petition.

Contact Jonnelle Davis at 373-7080 or jonnelle.davis@news-record.com
 

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Lakeshia

December 4, 2009 - 3:14 am EST

After all is said and done, the developer will prevail but in the intrem this will put money in some lawyers pocket.

Get A Clue

December 4, 2009 - 6:56 am EST

Who owns the property? What are the zoning laws? If all the paperwork's in place and it's legal, then deal with it.

I once lived in a new townhouse...they tore down a woods and meadow to build it. When the developer wanted to bulldoze the rest of the scenery to put in another row of townhouses most of my neighbors wanted to protest. One year, 30 years, 83 years...it's all the same. Something got torn down and someone else got displaced when Ms. Bassett's home was built, and she seems OK with that. I'm a Liberal and a capitalist. If you don't want neighbors or your view spoiled, then you have to do what Walt Disney did in Florida and buy 42 square miles and build in the middle.

brownddog

December 4, 2009 - 8:43 am EST

So, if you are so pro-liberal capitalist (which I am as well), then I assume we can tear down your house and build this in your neighborhood too?

Get A Clue

December 4, 2009 - 9:24 am EST

If you own the property and you've followed all the laws regarding landlord/tenant agreements, then yes. See, being Liberal doesn't mean being stupid or pretending if we all hold hands and sing songs we automatically win. I rent now. If my landlord decides the property best suits the needs of a golf course, I get to the end of my contract to pack up and move out. That doesn't make my landlord mean. It's reality and realty. Deal with it.

logicfairy

December 4, 2009 - 12:07 pm EST

We pay extra taxes in College Hill as a historic district. My home will be wedged between a dorm of 720 students and UNCG. Traffic is already maxed out.

We're okay with students, but not with this plan. A better plan will come along.

Highlander

December 4, 2009 - 7:16 am EST

It would be helpful to me if the N&R put a map with this article. I'd also like to have a 3D computer-generated model of the proposed development to see how it will look.

pixelpusher

December 4, 2009 - 8:52 am EST

A 3D model of the development would require the N&R to have someone on staff with the skills to create it. Good luck with that.

Get A Clue

December 4, 2009 - 9:24 am EST

Try Google maps. No need for N&R to do everything for you. You're already on line.

Gso Resident

December 4, 2009 - 7:56 am EST

I would like to see a map too on this and many of the other online articles.

Addl - Here it is
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=jackson+st.+...

Mike Fuchs

December 4, 2009 - 8:24 am EST

Map has been added.

countryboy

December 4, 2009 - 8:53 am EST

The old historic neighborhoods are fantastic, something that can never be replaced, but if owner occupancy is less than 25%, the proverbial handwriting may be on the wall. And I have driven by the business it is replacing; I would prefer the apartment complex. The bigger question for Mike to look into is the crime, traffic, and infrastructure issues this will bring. That section is already overloaded. Traffic is congested. A large new housing unit is directly behind it. A major crime occurred a stones throw away yesterday that should have the neighborhood concerned. How adequate are pedestrian and cyclist venues to and from the campus? Who will patrol it; UNCG PD or GPD?

wscbd

December 4, 2009 - 9:29 am EST

If you'll recall from several years ago, the campus police now have joint jurisdiction of areas surrounding the campus. They claim that it relieves the GPD of off-campus, UNCG-related policing burden. The promary impetus behind that decision, however, was to allow the school to profit from issuing citations, etc. I once was cited for a rolling stop by a UNCG cop on Wright Ave, more than 4 blocks away from the campus. I beat the ticket, but still...
The important questions regarding traffic, crime and other impacts need to be addressed by the planning and transportation depts and the police, and I don't think UNCG really needs a say in this.

tdr123

December 4, 2009 - 8:51 am EST

I also lived on Mendenhall beside the proposed compound. I am glad I moved out of the area. We lived with the noise of the bar crowd leaving College Hill Sundries at 2am. I can only imagine what it will be with an added 100 or 500 students. This complex will ruin the beauty of Historic College Hill.
Don Gaston may welcome the massive housing, but he also lives 5 blocks away. I doubt if he would be so excited if he lived in Melanie's house.

histrion

December 4, 2009 - 9:51 am EST

You bought a house in an area called "College Hill". It's sandwiched between two college campuses. Successful colleges and universities grow. What, exactly, were you expecting? If you want quiet, suburban living, move to the suburbs.

tdr123

December 4, 2009 - 10:15 am EST

Thankfully, I did not buy...I rented. The value of that house will plummet butted up to the student housing. I enjoyed the college atmosphere(even with the 2am noise), but this is also a historic district. A complex has no business in this area.

histrion

December 4, 2009 - 11:26 am EST

They're proposing to build it on the side of the street adjacent to the train tracks, spanning Fulton. It isn't like there's much of historic interest over there. It's replacing a bunch of eyesores. I wouldn't be surprised if property values improved markedly.

d_random

December 4, 2009 - 9:05 am EST

The big question is PARKING.
Where are all the student's cars going? The last I heard the complex was going only to accommodate 1% of the cars. The rest I suppose will have to park in the neighborhood.

oh good grief

December 4, 2009 - 10:22 am EST

Cars? Cars? Come on, d_random, where have you been? The vast majority of college students are already "green" or "going green." Didn't you know that? They'll be walking or biking or teleporting to class. So how could there possibly be a "problem" with parking in the area. Wait, maybe on one or two days there will be a "problem" when "the old folks paying the bills" show up to cart students' stuff INTO the housing complex and again when those same old folks show up to cart students' stuff OUT of the apartment building.

The above has been said VERY tongue-in-cheek, believe me.

The stench from the trash/garbage dumpsters at the 700-student "housing complex" will be enough to run nearby residents out of the area.

luvdowntowngso

December 4, 2009 - 10:22 am EST

Hummm! An old rundown machine shop or new student housing. Indeed it is a tough choice to make! The proposed property looks like a dump now! Just about any housing would be an imporvement. This is student housing. Residents of College Hill make this sound like Smith Homes is being built here! I love College Hill and I'd demand the character of this beautiful area be preserved. This can be done by the CH residents association working with the developer. It is so easy to be a bully to say "no" to a project that actually, in the long run may be an asset to your area. Why not put your energy into working with the developer to make this a good development for the area..

logicfairy

December 4, 2009 - 12:17 pm EST

The problem is the kind of student housing and the problem of an enormous amount of students moving into this small area. There are other kinds of development that the neighborhood would love to see here. Not a 720-bed dorm rented out by the bedroom. It's a residence hall controlled by an out-of-state company.

College Hill needs a better plan for this area, not the first one that comes along. And it is too valuable not to attract a better plan.

nippded twistle

December 4, 2009 - 11:27 am EST

Ohhhhhh, the poor residents of College Hill. Who would have thunk a college right next door to you would expand? NIMBY opportunism comes back around to bite you in the ass. Take it like a man and move to Summerfield.

logicfairy

December 4, 2009 - 12:11 pm EST

This is not a college next door. I would welcome UNCG to develop here. At least we could work with them instead of having an out-of-state development dump an unsupervised dorm next to us.

nippded twistle

December 4, 2009 - 12:51 pm EST

Next time look at homes further away from things you don't like for example: if you don't like walking up or down hills don't move to the mountains, if you dislike water stay away from lakefront property, if seagulls bother you avoid the beach, if HOA type people bother you stay away from College Hill.

logicfairy

December 4, 2009 - 6:07 pm EST

I've lived in College Hill or nearby for 23 years. The assumption was that any development in the neighborhood would be single family housing. I love living next to UNCG and near Greensboro College. I couldn't have predicted that some business from out-of-state would want to build a huge unsupervised residence hall two blocks away. UNCG I wouldn't have a problem with.

If you don't understand, then go ahead and be smug, but try to at least look at the detailed facts before you shoot off a comment. We're not against any development, and we're not against colleges.

wscbd

December 4, 2009 - 6:18 pm EST

If you didn't expect UNCG to reach the size that would support demand for private student housing directly off-campus, then you are certainly the only one, because directors for the school, city planners, and various other groups (including a few boards that I sat on in the 90s) have been expecting kind of development of blighted lots adjacent to campus for more than 30 years (and neighborhood groups have been involved in those discussions since the beginning). It's only been over the past 10 that those plans have begun to reach fruition.

nippded twistle

December 4, 2009 - 7:02 pm EST

I'm sorry that my comments frustrate you logicfairy. I hope you are able to come out of this situation happy and whole. But please consider my advice, you will always encounter College related "problems" as long as you live in an area called College Hill Historic District. If you outlast this there will be something else later, I promise. Really.

In all sincerity I would recommend that you sell your house, to a new professor in town hopefully at a handsome profit, then high tail it to a neighborhood that is not located adjacent to three growing academic institutions. See my earlier post for key words to be wary of (I did check those facts and they're right)

logicfairy

December 5, 2009 - 5:42 pm EST

Then you missed the fact, again, that neither UNCG or Greensboro College is developing this land. An out-of-state company is. And you missed the fact, again, that we and most people who bought houses here are here because we enjoy the proximity to the colleges. And you missed the fact, again, that one of the main issues is the number of cars and residents that this development will add to already overcrowded streets. And also, the fact that it is a historic district where the residents and homeowners have been working toward improving for about 30 years now.

I wish that UNCG would develop the property, personally. But you seem to be stuck on insisting that I have a problem with the colleges. I don't. Or the students. I don't. That's why I live here. Clear on that, now?

logicfairy

December 4, 2009 - 12:14 pm EST

I'm disturbed that our city councilperson, Zack Methany, seems to be ready to side with an out-of-state development and a few residents who live on the other side of College Hill instead of the majority of the neighborhood's constituents, which supposedly he represents.

truth

December 4, 2009 - 1:16 pm EST

The site is an eyesore and student housing would be an improvement. However, there is no way that there is adequate room for 700 students in that space.

Two points:
I wish I had bought College Hill Sundries when I had the chance cause now business will be booming.

And, how in the world do they continue to keep building all these mega-student housing units? The occupancy rate is already pretty crappy. Who is going to live there???

wscbd

December 4, 2009 - 4:24 pm EST

I have a friend who works for one of the local management companies running a few of those complexes around UNCG. Every one of their complexes is at 100% and has a waiting list. Which ones are "pretty crappy"?

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