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Council may end its term with splash

Saturday, November 28, 2009
(Updated 7:21 am)

GREENSBORO — Ninety minutes before the end of their current terms in office on Tuesday — and retirement for four City Council members — the council will make a $17 million decision .

Council members are primed to kick off the construction of a swimming facility that supporters hope will be the envy of every sports-loving town on the Eastern Seaboard.

But they’ve got to decide whether they really want to build an aquatics center that will cost nearly more than voters approved last year.

It’s a decision that is making some council members uneasy.

“I am getting some pushback,” Councilman Zack Matheny said. “At what point do we lose sight of what a million dollars is?”

Council’s call

From its genesis, Greensboro’s would-be aquatics center was a project driven by the City Council.

In mid-2008 , City Council members were disappointed with the Parks and Recreation department’s recommendation to put a $20 million bond on the ballot to pay for a variety of park maintenance and upkeep projects.

How about a pool instead, Matheny and fellow council member Mike Barber asked.

A new city pool has long been a dream of the swim community. But residents dashed those hopes twice in bond referendums.

In July 2008, council members agreed to set aside $12 million in the $20 million park bond for a competitive pool, although the city staff had not had time to plan the design or scope of the project.

Council members made that decision with several warnings from Mitchell Johnson, who was city manager at the time. A regional competitive facility could cost as much as $20 million — and private support likely would be unable to fill the funding gap, he wrote to council members in a memo that summer.

“I am concerned that placing the proposed pool … in the bond package would create expectations which we would fail to meet with that level of funding,” Johnson wrote.

Months later — after voters approved the bond in November and the economy tanked — the predictions about the costs got a bit sunnier.

City staff estimated that a competitive pool — one that would be able to host a citywide swim meet — could be built for about $12.5 million.

A more impressive regional facility, built at the Greensboro Coliseum with amenities such as a diving well, warm-up pool and spectator seating, could cost $17.5 million , interim Parks and Recreation Director Anthony Wade told council members in May 2009.

Council members — excited about the idea of a pool that could draw youth and collegiate-level competition and, with it, tourism to High Point Road — chose the more expensive $17.5 million option.

Wade told the council members the city might shave 10 percent off that cost. Construction bids were coming back lower because of the recession.

Coliseum Director Matt Brown , who was subsequently appointed to lead the charge on the project, was more optimistic.

The city could get a $15 million pool for $12 million, he told council members.

An enthusiastic council, led by Barber and Robbie Perkins , pushed for an expedited construction process. The next few months were consumed by a rapid research, design and bidding process.

Looking back, Brown said this week , his earlier estimates did not reflect the reality of what it would cost to build a competitive facility with all the required elements.

“I was a little euphoric,” he said.

There was an expectation from some council members that an advisory committee of swim supporters might find additional ways to fund it, perhaps through nonprofit or corporate partnerships. Additional fundraising efforts — although limited — have not provided promising leads.

“We made the conscious decision to provide a big chunk of money, but not enough money to do this thing,” Perkins said. “We wanted some non-property-tax-paying folks to pick up the slack. We have gone out and looked for foundation money. It wasn’t there. We’ve gone out and looked at other sources. It was not there.”

Costs and solutions

In October, the low construction bid for the swim facility came back at $19.7 million.

“We were thinking it might be in the $14 million neighborhood. That’s what we were expecting,” said Ted Oliver , a swim advocate who was there when the city staff opened the bids. “ ... I felt like I had been hit by a truck.”

The city staff scrambled to come up with a solution to fill the funding gap and to reduce the overall construction costs of the building.

Barber this month asked City Council members to call a special meeting — in their final hour in office — to decide how to make those swim dreams a reality.

At a special City Council meeting Tuesday , members will decide whether to approve a $17.3 million construction contract to build the center and decide how to fill the funding gap.

Council members have said that they would like to take the local tourism board up on its suggestion to make up the difference with hotel tax revenue. Council members, if they follow this path Tuesday , will request a temporary financing option to get the project started quickly.

If the debt is later paid by hotel tax revenue, the coliseum will have to put off other planned uses of that income, such as replacing arena seats.

The final details of the funding issue will have to be approved by the next City Council.

Second thoughts

Some council members, even those who supported the idea of a new pool, now have reservations.

Councilwoman Trudy Wade has expressed concern about whether the facility’s costs, both construction and continual maintenance, now outweigh its economic benefits, considering that there will be no private investment to match the taxpayer support.

“That’s what swayed me,” Wade said of the early suggestion that corporations or nonprofits might help fund the aquatics center. “Now, I found out that isn’t happening.”

Matheny wants to know exactly how the pool facility ended up costing so much more than expected.

“This is not what we signed up for when the bond was presented from the beginning,” he wrote to City Manager Rashad Young this week . “I am not inclined to support something this large in nature without fully understanding the cost, how it relates to the original bond allotment, if we have private financial supporters, and so on.”

The last-minute nature of the decision is also a concern for Mayor-elect Bill Knight , who will be sworn in shortly after the construction and financing decisions are made Tuesday.

Knight plans to lead a more fiscally conservative council than the current group. He said he doesn’t want to start his term $6 million in the hole.

“I’m not sure that having a meeting at that last hour, for whatever reason, promotes that accountability for the citizens of Greensboro,” Knight said.

For supporters like Barber, who could not be reached for comment, the project is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the city.

Perkins, who has been a pool supporter since its first incarnation a decade ago, said the facility is long overdue.

“We spent two years working on this. Some of us have spent 10 years,” Perkins said. “I’m not backing off my position now.”

 

Contact Amanda Lehmert at 373-7075 or amanda.lehmert@news-record.com

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WANT TO GO?

What: Special City Council meeting


Where: City Council Chambers, 300 W. Washington St., Greensboro


When: 4 p.m. Tuesday


On the agenda: The City Council will hold a public hearing about how to finance the planned aquatics center at the Greensboro Coliseum. The council also will decide whether to approve a construction contract with Shelco Inc. of Winston-Salem to build the facility.
 

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Fred

November 28, 2009 - 5:29 am EST

One of the best decisions I ever made was to get out of Greensboro.

onbe1kanoby

November 28, 2009 - 11:21 am EST

I left G'boro for the same reason.. small towm!

rightwingnemesis

November 28, 2009 - 1:25 pm EST

Small minds always think small. Glad the folks who gave us Bryan Park were not so shortsighted as those who oppose an aquatic center.
As an aside, I wonder how many 'naysayers' here have seen the swim meets over at Lindley Park each summer? How many of you know that Hillsborough has an aquatic center that attracts folks from Greensboro and beyond?

dcolin

November 28, 2009 - 4:20 pm EST

Actually The Bryan family gave us Bryan Park.

The city screwed up trying to run the golf courses and turned them over to the Bryan Foundation to run.

We got them essentially for free.
Not capable of running them.

Think Matt Brown can run an aquatic complex.

Come on.

nottooshabby

November 28, 2009 - 8:26 am EST

Enough already! This project was turned down by the voters, and then resubmitted hidden in the parks bond. I hope that our City Council will say no more money for this. If there is so much interest in it, let the private sector step up to the plate.

rightwingnemesis

November 28, 2009 - 1:26 pm EST

Hidden? Mr. schaub, you are terribly misinformed.

ingpark1

November 28, 2009 - 10:28 pm EST

Rightwingnemesis - what planet are you from? Do you really think the taxpayers are so dense that they don't see through this scam? No x 2 is really no! Your last swimming bond was put in at the last moment under the guise of parks and recreation, (remember....be sure not to say anything about the swim center and i promise we'll get it through?) then used bogus numbers, and a promise of private cash that dried up the second the duped voters said yes. very classic and so is your spin. This is a loser, if not, we would see lots of private cash. If investors and banks don't like it, why should the taxpayers pay for it? Tell you what - put your money where your mouth is big boy- if we buy your BS and Greensboro doesn't see $14million in the second year of operation, you move out of town and we take your house.

succeed

November 28, 2009 - 8:29 am EST

Don't miss this opportunity to build a world class swim facility. The benefits of the Bryan Park Soccer Complex go way beyond just the youth. Greensboro is known up and down the east coast as having one of the best Soccer venues for kids. This helps enhance Greensboro’s image as a growing vibrant city and is a key selling point when recruiting companies to locate here.
Visiting swimmers and teams will spend money at the hotels and restaurants on Lee Street and High Point Roads. The Swim facility will keep the momentum going and help continue to enhance the Lee St and High Point Rd streetscape.

swerdna

November 28, 2009 - 11:54 am EST

It doesn't matter that we don't have enough police to sufficiently control crime in this city. The department is way under-manned, and crime and aggressive driving is far beyond what it should be.

It doesn't matter that we have people complaining about all the homeless on the streets yet these people have no where to go. The IRC in Greensboro won't open for another year because they are short of money to complete the project.

It doesn't matter that hard-working people are already barely making ends meet just to keep their mortgage paid and put food on the table, and with each passing week this becomes more and more difficult. Salaries aren't increasing, and we see our paychecks "getting smaller" as prices increase on food, utilities, and just the bare essentials.

All these problems facing us in this economic downturn, and what will Greensboro have? A nice swim center which was, after voters had already rejected it, finally rammed down our throats when it was added in to a parks and rec bond (which also should have been temporarily tabled).

Now, our current city council may give us something to remember them by. If they approve this additional money, I hope voters WILL remember the council members that do so next election and vote them OUT! We need responsible goverment, not people with no regard for how our money is spent.

capricorn7nc

November 28, 2009 - 2:06 pm EST

Totally agree with everything being stated. There are no jobs here already, and this will only cause more economic instability in the area. We have so many other things that should be fixed, so that the city can move forward. This pool has been in discussion for years, and it came after so many other priorities that have not been dealt with. Fix the landfill issue, fix the police issues, and bring more businesses to the area before we worry about a nice pool that will only bring money to the area maybe once or twice a year. Wages suck here, and we really want to add on to entertainment when we continually see more boarded up homes in the area. Lets worry about the people first, then we can build a nice pool.

dcolin

November 28, 2009 - 4:26 pm EST

"world class swim facility!"

What crap

ingpark1

November 28, 2009 - 10:35 pm EST

Please - so your saying that indrectly the taxpayers will get their investment back by subsidizing the local hotels and restaurants? Hmm, so how long will it take to recoup the $20 million investment by us non-swimmers? Think those visitors will appreciate the extra hotel tax?

capricorn7nc

November 28, 2009 - 8:55 am EST

I say vote no for it, because according Mike Barber we are supposed to be looking at saving money. He keeps trying to push to open the White Street landfill, but he wants to spend extra money for a swimming facility. It needs to be scaled down to a more affordable option. Also, we should take the lead on the regional solution to our landfill problem first. A company came, and presented an option to the landfill problem that would not cost us anything to build. That will help economic development more than anything. If the odors I smelled off of Philips is what will happen if we re-open that landfill it should not be done. The loop will go around that area and I doubt businesses will want to be anywhere near that. It smelled like raw sewage over there, and I can understand why people are fighting so hard to close that landfill once and for all. Take care of the landfill issue, and then I will support an Aquatic Center, but until then I say no.

bettejayne

November 28, 2009 - 9:39 am EST

I think the special meeting on the additional money for the fools pool should be held late Saturday night. That seems to be the best time to vote on issues the public does not want when their representatives are more loyal to a party than their constituents.

ingpark1

November 28, 2009 - 9:54 am EST

I struggle to understand why this scam is still going on. The voters (those people that actually pay the bill) said no twice - what part didn't the council understand? It had to be slid in under cover and at the last minute, is that the way our open government is supposed to operate? If it's such a great deal, why isn't there any private cash being offered anymore. Surprise, suprise, that dried up and now the project is going to cost much more than anticipated. Let's screw the taxpayers again. What about maintence costs? Are you going to shut down one of the other pools? If it will really bring in $14million to the city per year (yeah right), that money will be spread out over a small group of businesses, but I guess the rest of us will just hope for the trickle down effect? Payback is what, 20 years? Hmmm, and a higher hotel tax will make those out-of-towners feel more at home? What happened to honest government and fiscal responsibility? Not in Greensboro that I can tell. We'd all like a BMW for Christmas, but we can't afford it. It's time the Couuncil stands up for the taxpayers ands vote no.

Pye210

November 28, 2009 - 10:07 am EST

Investing in the aquatic center should be viewed just like any investment. If the financial payback is good plus the social and economic impact is good, then it makes solid sense. Answers to both are overwhelming "yeses" for the aquatic center. And it doesn't take an accounting degree to add up the numbers. I'm so concerned that Greensboro's petty political grudges, our shortsightedness, and our cut-off-our-noses-to-spite-our-faces tendencies will once again keep us from taking advantage of this tremendous opportunity for our city and citizens.

Molly the Dog

November 28, 2009 - 10:53 am EST

The aquatic center was written into the first sentence of the parks and recreation 2008 bond description so voters could be informed. The News and Record was at every city council meeting reporting on the proposed project, and there were many articles, editorials and news casts of this proposed project. There have been numerous council meetings for citizens to speak. Public debate started early. Aquatic facilities have been part of Parks and Recreation and city services for 60 plus years. There has been no conspiracy. The Convention and Visitors Bureau has stepped up with a proposal for using their funds for the cost difference, knowing the economic impact the facility will have on the area. This facility will be enjoyed by our youth, seniors, and families. Thank you city council members for the foresight and determination. Greensboro supports families and business!

Gemini

November 28, 2009 - 2:46 pm EST

You are correct. The voters and city residents who pay taxes were informed via promotion of the bond package that the swimming facility was part of the bond. However, a 5-7 million dollar overrun was not part of the bond.

Molly the Dog

November 28, 2009 - 7:16 pm EST

Gemini,

The CVB is contributing the difference, not Greensboro Tax payers. The fund was established to develop marketing and venues for tourism and hospitality industry, not maintenance, schools or city operating budgets. Lastly, the city did not have a problem with its budget, it was the county and state. Greensboro remains the highest rated municipality, and with much surplus. City council and management have been highly responsible with much foresight on making Greensboro attractive and progressive.

Gemini

November 28, 2009 - 8:07 pm EST

Apparently you are on the City Council, work for the city, or will personally benefit from the pool via participation in construction or will have a child participate in swimming events.That's fine, but do not think that it is explainable to people that do not have jobs the benefits of a swimming pool. Just so you know where I am coming from-I belong to a pool that has a very competitive swim team. I am sure the kids will benefit from this pool. I pay extremely high dues to be a pool member, pay high taxes on my house, and pay a lot to live in Greensboro period. I think the fact that the outgoing council (especially a member that is leaving the country soon) would call a special meeting to figure out a way to build a pool in this economic time proves they do not live in the real world. I guess the city doesn't have a problem with the budget since they barely had a budget meeting this year.

sail

November 28, 2009 - 2:47 pm EST

Molly The Dog---you mentioned that there appears to be a cost pay back projection from the Convention and Visitors Bureau. Please, could point me to where I could review their numbers. Possibly, an old article or assessment from one of the city council meetings. Appreciate it---and thank you.
sail

DonMoore

November 28, 2009 - 11:11 am EST

The voters approved a 12 Million Dollar Aquatic Center run by the Parks and Recreation Department. With a sleight of hand, it becomes a 24 Million Dollar (just wait) International Swimming Competition Center at the Greensboro Coliseum Complex.

Classic BAIT and Switch.

Why not just get a GIANT Plastic Bag to use as a Pool Liner for the lower rows of the Coliseum? Imagine the possibilities.... The Coliseum Pool Liner might cost around a million or so (it's got to be strong like the one they used to film "The Abyss" in South Carolina.) We'd have to build a Giant Water Tank to be used to fill the coliseum and then drain back into (sell the naming rights, plus lease antenna space to cell phone carriers). The TV Lights, Parking and Concessions are already there.

sail

November 28, 2009 - 1:05 pm EST

Is this the same coliseum that’s in the red every year? Is this the same coliseum that said the same thing about basketball and other events? Real money makers---right?
It is time that the sitting mayor and city council get their heads out of the sand. What part of recession/depression/unemployment/insufficient police coverage don’t they understand? Something doesn’t smell right---hmm! Why are the bids coming in higher—hmm! Why is it essential that this get rushed through before the next mayor, new city council members and new city manager have a chance to look at this monstrosity more pragmatically???
Buyer beware, those that are pushing/rushing this speak with fork tongue, or maybe have something to gain personally. It appears that the voters have already said ---NO.

Molly the Dog

November 28, 2009 - 7:28 pm EST

Sail,
The citizen's of Greensboro voted yes, not no! Again, the first line of the Bond Referendum placed on the ballot, stated Aquatic Center. It passed with 57% in spite of the N&R coming out against with its Election Day editorial. To call foul, one either had to not read the ballot, not read the N&R, not watch the news casts, not read Rhino or others, and not keep up with the council meeting, or not show up to vote.

Gemini

November 28, 2009 - 8:08 pm EST

What budget did they have listed for the aquatic center on the bond?

Mick

November 29, 2009 - 8:01 am EST

The CVM brings in millions of dollars every year to city businesses, plus taxes, etc. Not all the benefits of the CVM are credited to the bottom line of the facility. Same will be with the pool. Which is exactly why facilities of this nature are typically municipally owned.

swerdna

November 28, 2009 - 3:44 pm EST

Did anyone notice that the contract pending approval for this facility will be with Shelco, Inc. from..... WINSTON SALEM! Do we not have any GREENSBORO firms that would be employing workers from Greensboro that could do this job?

Mick

November 29, 2009 - 8:02 am EST

There was a bidding process.

swerdna

November 29, 2009 - 5:07 pm EST

Duh, I'm not stupid! I also know that the lowest bidder is not always given the job. Do you have a list of bidders and their numbers? Anyone?

Mick

November 29, 2009 - 5:36 pm EST

I think it is public record but I guess it is possible the losing bids are confidential. I also am not sure the Council is at liberty to take a higher bid.

And what would the outcry be if the Council didnt take the lowest bid?

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