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Chief, sheriff back Tasers in schools

Friday, November 20, 2009
(Updated 8:54 am)

HIGH POINT — The issue of Taser-armed police in local schools sparked impassioned debate from advocates of both sides of the issue during a discussion Thursday.

High Point Police Chief Jim Fealy and Guilford County Sheriff BJ Barnes heard support for and frustration with their decisions to arm school resource officers with Tasers.

“I don’t think our children need school resource officers in schools or Tasers,” said Mary Southern during the High Point Human Relations Department’s panel discussion.

Southern’s daughter is a sophomore at Ragsdale High, where in September a deputy used a Taser on a 15-year-old female student after she attacked school officials and the deputy, according to the sheriff’s office.

A few days later, another deputy suffered a leg injury that required surgery while breaking up a fight at Northeast High. The deputy could have used a Taser in that instance but didn’t, Barnes said, because of the controversy surrounding the Ragsdale incident.

There were a few in the audience Thursday who support arming school resource officers with Tasers, including Dana Hester. She has two adult children, but she said she regularly volunteers at other schools in the state.

“I’ve been in high schools; they’re not the same as when I was growing up,” Hester said. “I felt threatened.”

Residents and officials have debated whether school resource officers should carry Tasers since 2007, when Barnes armed deputies working in schools with the weapons. The debate heated up this fall when Fealy and Greensboro police Chief Tim Bellamy decided to arm their school resource officers with Tasers as well.

“It’s not our desire to ever Tase a kid … but sometimes you have to use force against our kids,” Fealy said.

Opponents of Tasers in schools say that because the weapons are considered nonlethal, school resource officers are more apt to use them against unruly students rather than try to de-escalate a situation. But Tasers can be lethal, some say.

Ian Mance, a program associate with the American Civil Liberties Union, sat on the panel with Fealy and Barnes and cited several incidents where medical examiners have ruled Tasers were the cause or contributing factor in deaths.

Mance said the ACLU is not against the use of Tasers, but police need to have clear guidelines for using them.

“I just have to believe that if a student does die after being Tased on school grounds, the people just aren’t going to stand for that,” Mance said.

There are those, including Fealy and Barnes, who argue there is no clear data showing the deaths linked to Tasers were caused by them.

Fealy said he understands the concerns that some in the community have, but he believes his decision is supported by research and the good he’s seen come from arming officers with Tasers.

“There’s still a lot to be learned about it. I hope we don’t learn something someday that makes us stop using them,” Fealy said. “I don’t think that information is out there.”

The debate isn’t over. The Guilford County Board of Education voted earlier this month to invite Fealy, Barnes and Bellamy to discuss the issue.

The board, like the community, is split over the issue.

Board member Carlvena Foster, who represents parts of High Point, attended the meeting Thursday. She said she hopes the school board and law enforcement officials will compromise.

“I don’t believe we have the level of violence in our schools that requires Tasers in our schools,” Foster told the panel.

A date for the school board meeting has not been set, but Chairman Alan Duncan said he hopes it will be held before the end of the year.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Guilford County Sheriff BJ Barnes (from right), High Point Police Chief Jim Fealy and the ACLU's Ian Mance attend a forum about Tasers in November.

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dusenberry

November 20, 2009 - 5:47 am EST

Carlvena lives in a fantasy land. Perhaps she overlooked the three Southwest student in jail for attempted murder.
They may not have done the crime in school but I see no reason to believe they WOULD NOT have done it in the school. Now before you bleeding heart liberals start up. I know they haven't been found guilty ETC.

Voice of Reason

November 20, 2009 - 7:11 am EST

I have a good friend who works at SW, and he said those 3 criminals were at school, and left to go rob the store. The school was shut down because they were headed back. What kills me is they're arguing about TASERs and the students have guns! Ms. Southern is clearly out of her mind. We've got the story from Wednesday, the Chicago kids who beat the other to death, the kids who tried to rob a kid for $40, and when he didn't have any cash poured alcohol on him and set him on fire which burned over 90% of his body, and then the gang rape case. All of these happened in this country in the past few months, and they're just the big stories that got reported. Why is this still an issue?!?

gsosteve

November 20, 2009 - 10:04 am EST

Precisely Voice of Reason. I know one of the accused robbers, as I worked with him in my former job with a community service agency. He was good kid, always came in with his parents, had a job, and was going to school. I'm not saying he's innocent and I'm not justifying what he allegedly did. I'm also not blaming any other social factors or the schools. What I'm saying is that we cannot all live in this fantasy land where schools are safe places. I guarantee you that if you went into any high school in this county and searched it from floor to ceiling, you would find more weapons than just those the SRO carries on his duty belt. These TASER incidents are those where the less-than-lethal weapon was used on students who were attacking the deputy or police officer. I would tend to think that such violent students are the exception, not the rule. So instead of having a conversation about law enforcement officers using TASERS on "kids", lets have a conversation about these kids' parents.

BigMo

November 20, 2009 - 1:36 pm EST

Where are your thought processes? Perhaps somewhere we can not see.

Interested

November 20, 2009 - 6:09 am EST

I wonder what level of violence must be reached before Tasers would be required? As mentioned, there have been two incidents so far this year. Three young students stand accused of the most violent of crimes. Knowing that officers are so armed will not be a deterrent to all, but it will be a deterrent to some.

buzzman

November 20, 2009 - 6:24 am EST

The folks who have kids in school and are against Tasers, obviously have bad kids. Otherwise, they wouldn't be worried about their kids being tased.
The school board members who don't have kids in school are just trying to get attention. It is completely ridiculous to waste the time of Chief Fealy & Sheriff Barnes talking about this.
People who are against the tasers should have to go spend some time at school and see the hooligans that teachers and administrators have to deal with.

BigMo

November 20, 2009 - 1:52 pm EST

Wait until your child is tased. I submit, you have only heard the Law Enforcement side of the incidents. There are three sides to every story. They are MIne, Yours, and the Truth. It is my understanding that the 15 year old Female was not assaulting the Officer or Tearchers. It was over SMOD and how she was dressed. We have only heard and read what the Sheriff's Department has said not what the internal review has offered indefense of tasing.. Maybe there is reason to question!!

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 6:48 am EST

Let's just let Mary Southern take the place of our SRO's. She doesn't think tasers are needed, then let's see how she handles situations! My guess is, she's be singing a different song within a week. She doesn't have a clue!

BigMo

November 20, 2009 - 1:55 pm EST

It is not necessary that Mary take an SRO place; and, the maybes don't count!

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 3:27 pm EST

Mary? Is that you? Get away from the computer and get your butt into the schools to experience what an SRO experiences. Do you have any idea how YOU would handle a 6'+ 240 pound male (or female) who decided not to listen to authority? What if he/she had a gun? Oh, let me guess: You'd stand there and explain to them how they should listen to the people in charge and put the gun away. Mary, get your head out of the sand. If people like you and your anti-taser buddies have their way, I'm hoping the SRO's will be removed from the schools. Then, you and yours can go in there and talk sweetly and explain to those how they should do as they're told.

Crew Commander

November 30, 2009 - 7:27 pm EST

I now teach after an extensive military career. Al I I can say is that Ms Southern obviously lives on another planet. When fights start, we teachers have limited options on how to de-escalate the situation without the possibility of being sued by the attackers. So, how do we implement our duties to protect the innocent, non-violent students? I want Ms. Southern's number so I can call her when the fights start.

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 6:49 am EST

I love the photo here. "Two MEN and a wimp."

jstevenh1952

November 20, 2009 - 7:44 am EST

Excuse me....two men and a LEFT WING whimp, thank you very much!

justis4all

November 20, 2009 - 7:08 am EST

The thing that bothers me the MOST over this issue is everyone talks about SRO's being armed with tasers. Uh, HELLO, ALL of the Deputies and Police Officers are armed with Tasers!!!!! Not just the SRO's!!! If your sweet little johnny or janie did something wrong OUTSIDE of the school setting that called for the use of a taser to control the situation, would everyone be screaming for the tasers to be taken away from ALL OFFICERS? I THINK NOT!! STOP focusing on the school setting, it's LIFE in and out of the schools that require officers to be armed with Tasers NOT poor innocent students. I have been tased (voluntarily) and it made a believer out of me!! I would not do anything that would cause an officer of the law to feel they needed to use a taser on me. Hey Deena, Sandra and Amos how about you taking a 5 second RIDE???? Maybe it'll make believers out of you too!

AirDoc

November 20, 2009 - 7:17 am EST

Note to concerned mom Mary Southern: Remove your head from the sand - our schools unfortunately are not always safe places for students or teachers. A lot of our "kids" are routinely robbing, stealing and killing. Being at school doesn't remove them from their criminal mindset. You wouldn't want your child living in an environment where the community's medical doctors only had the means to treat sore throats and ear aches. No, you would want them to be able to treat all kinds of illnesses even though the more serious ones aren't as common. You should have the same aproach towards your law enforcement officers. Encourage them to come equipped for the serious offenses, even though they might not occur that often. Understand? The only glitch in this comparison is that the bad "kids" are sadly just about everywhere you turn in our school system, just waiting for an opportunity to do something bad or stupid. I want our officers equipped with the necessary tools to keep MY kids and their teachers safe. Thanks to Sheriff Barnes and Chiefs Fealy and Bellamy for holding their ground on this issue.

BigMo

November 20, 2009 - 2:07 pm EST

Where is YOUR head? JUST WAIT! Maybe you will think differently! If our children are SO Violent in SCHOOL, then we have a BIGGER problem than just trying to EDUCATE our children (both BLACK and WHITE) which we are not currently doing! Talk to me!!

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 4:46 pm EST

"....trying to EDUCATE our children (both BLACK and WHITE) which we are not currently doing! "

Perhaps we COULD educate our children IF these thugs that you're trying to protect would stop taking time away from educating our children!

jstevenh1952

November 20, 2009 - 7:48 am EST

Agan inept reporting by our left wing, liberal piece of fish wrap. They can't write an article with out sharing their blantant bias. Closing comment "

teachertruth

November 20, 2009 - 8:12 am EST

Thought this was interesting....I took this from a blog on WFMY concerning our three wonderfuls from SWG High who left school to rob and shoot someone. This is from a student and is REALLY heartbreaking..

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wow just half the stuff you people say, and none of you really sit in class with any of these guys! how ever i do!!! and if you had to sit in class and here half the stuff these guys talk about, you would want them gone to. It would take about 30 mins every day for our teachers to start class because these guys and other students would sit in class and talk about drugs, and sex and shooting people. Im glad they are gone now because today was a very nice day in class, we need to keep the thugs out of southwest and other schools, our school was going good into about last year thank GOD i'm a senior and about done with school, i don't feel safe at all going to school no more. The staff and police don't do anything about what goes on in our school but send them to BIP what does that do to them, they want to go sit in BIP its like a free class for them to do what ever they want to do.I hope these guys stay there in jail, thats were they belong!

Get Over It

November 20, 2009 - 8:27 am EST

NO TASERS! Parents who spend time in all of the GCS schools know the volume of what goes on in schools and as long as adults have blinders on regarding this one day a child will die as a result of taser usage.

Lets see how long it takes for a student in this district who is standing near a SRO when they aim the taser and hit one of your children who are standing near by.

gunslinger5854

November 20, 2009 - 9:16 am EST

I realize most people have little or no knowledge about the weapon in question. The taser is a very short range non-lethal weapon. The chances of an accidental hit or miss are unlikely. Officers are trained with the Taser to be more accurate simply because of the limited range and the amount of projectiles, plus a limited battery life. No SRO, Deputy, or Police officer want to hurt anyone, much less a child they are sworn to protect. In some instances they have little or no choice, the availability of a less than lethal weapon gives the Officer more options than just pepper spray or a firearm. I believe that children taught respect for others and especially their elders will never have to worry about being "Tased" in school or elsewhere. The biggest problem in schools today are the kids whose parents don't provide a decent moral upbringing. When children are allowed to do as they please at home and away from home, what makes anyone think they will act differently at school. SRO's shouldn't be put in the position of having to make your children act like civilized humans. They do not have the time and resources to teach kids lessons they should have already learned at home or Church. I for one am very glad these officers have firearms,radios,pepper spray,Tasers,flashlights,batons,and body armor. Should some sick person show up at a school with a mindset to harm some child, I hope the SRO isn't having to explain himself to a parent while a child, possibly theirs is being assaulted or worse. Let these men do their jobs instead of trying to hamstring their capabilities with constant arguments. There is enough oversight and supervision in the Sherrifs Office and the Police departments to last these guys a lifetime. They don't need it from outside sources, especially from the schools they are trying to protect. Get a life, teach your kids and their friends some manners and respect, that will go a long ways towards giving them the tools needed to get a decent education. Or put them in a private school and see how long they last.

Beachwalk

November 20, 2009 - 9:26 am EST

"Lets see how long it takes"

OK, I'm willing to wait and see how long it will be before a student is accidentally hit by a taser. My guess is; we will never see that happen. Without a doubt the chances of an unruly student harming or killing a student, teacher, or SRO who isn't armed with a taser would be much greater.

I would also feel comfortable with teachers who are trained to use a taser to also be allowed to carry them.

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 3:28 pm EST

I suggest doing some research on tasers and how they work.

unbiased

November 20, 2009 - 8:29 am EST

"The board, like the community, is split over the issue."

Uh...right. The board is split due to disingenuous politics. The community is very much on the side of law enforcement. The very few against tasers show up at these meetings, whine, complain, show ignorance, and get all the press from an equally disingenuous newspaper.

This newspaper is forced, however, to report the many crimes that occur each day and night in the triad (albeit with the bs "incomplete description of suspect" tag line). These are committed by a large proportion of 14-20 year old "kids" that haven't yet been permanently kicked out of Guilford County schools. They have to show up at school once in a while to keep their attendence up. The same suspects that commit plain old, mean and nasty street crimes are walking through the hallways and occassionally sitting in class with honest students. They don't pay attention to the teacher though, they are planning the next theft or robbery from another honest student during or after school hours. This is what they do, whether they are in school or running the streets.

Officers need to have tasers available in dealing with these "kids" no matter where they are. Plain and simple, end of story. Politics can't change the reality of crime and criminals in our community or on school campuses, no matter how badly some people want to portray a "split" on the issue.

AirDoc

November 20, 2009 - 10:43 am EST

Well said!

BigMo

November 20, 2009 - 2:24 pm EST

Unbiased ... have you chosen the wrong tag? Are you sure of what you speak? Have you met the people you are calling IGNORANT? Does the disingenuous newspaper REALLY investigate? RE-EXAMINE yourself ... please!

unbiased

November 20, 2009 - 7:24 pm EST

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do know this. I know these things to be true from having first hand knowledge. I know what is reported in this newspaper is factually incomplete, to put it as generously as possible. I know what type of people are walking around on school campuses, the crimes they commit, and the extent to which these crimes are unreported or under reported through creative documentation by school administrators. SROs know exactly what is going on, but the slanted politics of school board members, ignorant or whiny citizens with their heads in the sand, and left leaning news agencies continue to be as much of a challenge to school safety as the criminals that walk the hallways.

angie123

November 20, 2009 - 1:02 pm EST

If your child behaves in school, you have nothing to worry about - THEY WILL NOT BE TASED.

Look at who's complaining about the officers carrying tasers - I think you'll find a common theme.

swerdna

November 20, 2009 - 3:30 pm EST

Bingo!

In HIS Name

November 20, 2009 - 10:50 pm EST

It saddens my heart to read all the negative comments coming from adults and we complain and blame the kids for everything that is wrong in our schools. Our schools are ran by adults. Some of these adults are having sex with our kids, some of them are drug dealers, such as the most recent Science teacher from Ragsdale HS. I do not recall much communication or news media coverage about her. Is she a thug? I am a parent who has children in our GCS. I am a very involved parent in our schools. So, I see that school environment is not what is should be and that things are out of control. But, I can assure you that is not just with the children. Yes, the children are talking and acting inappropriate in the schools, but I also see some of the teachers acting and talking inappropriate in our schools. Children are lead by adults whether at home or at school, so we need to stop blaming our children for what the adults are not doing. I am not in agreement of SRO's or Tasers in our schools, because that has not controlled or corrected the problems that are in our schools, but yet school funds continue to pay for their presence. I believe that if we take those same funds and used them to implement programs in all of our schools that would address some of the issues that these kids have, and if we stop the teaching for the passing of standardized test, and if start holding parents accountable for not participating in their child's education because that is neglect, and if we hold the school system accountable for hiring incompetent teachers who put all the blame on kids behavior to keep the focus off of them not doing the job they were hired to do. And I say all of this because I have talked to some of the kids in our schools that the communities call "bad". They are not bad at all. They are angry and frustrated. They just need someone to love, care, and listen to them. And in my day, if you did not get it at home you could sure get it at school. And if you were blessed to get the attention from both home and school life was great. But, when you kids going without the basic needs of care and concern, we get anger and acting out. And finally, when people in our community only think about their kids and not ALL the kids in our community from all backgrounds, races, and religions, we have an even bigger problem. So, I encourage everyone who is reading these comments to stop writing and start reaching out to help one of those children less fortunate than yours or mine. That is all they want and need and I believe we all will see a change in our schools and our communities.

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