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Board invites police to talk about Tasers

Wednesday, November 11, 2009
(Updated Thursday, November 12 - 5:38 am)

GREENSBORO — The Guilford County Board of Education wants to talk to police about the arming of school resource officers with Tasers.

The board voted 9-2 Tuesday night to invite the High Point and Greensboro police chiefs and the Guilford County sheriff to a meeting to talk about the controversial topic.

The board has discussed the issue of Tasers in schools. Several parents and community members have addressed the board on the issue over the past several weeks after a school resource officer used a Taser on a female student at Ragsdale High in September.

Days later, another resource officer was injured breaking up a fight at Northeast High. The sheriff’s office said the deputy did not use a Taser because of the controversy.

Board members are split on Tasers.

“Given the fact that school isn’t as dangerous as we thought, maybe it’s time to revisit Taser debate,” board member Sandra Alexander said.

The vote came after a report on school safety, which originally was composed by an unofficial committee formed by Deena Hayes to probe reports of gang activity in schools.

Hayes’ committee, working with school district data, found that reports of gang activity were well below other offenses, such as not complying with school rules and alcohol violations.

The majority of gang-related violations reported were limited to the wearing of gang-associated clothing and showing gang signs.

“I didn’t bring these people together to minimize the gang issue or to dispel that they exist,” Hayes told the board. “We just wanted accuracy in reporting and data.”

Earlier in the evening, a small group of people spoke out about violence in schools and how the district addresses threats of violence.

Three people, two who said they are Guilford County teachers, urged the board to strengthen district policies addressing threats of violence, make parents and law enforcement aware when threats occur, and hold students who threaten violence accountable.

Also Tuesday night, school board members lashed out at staff members for not having sufficient details about construction projects and costs.

The conversation heated up after a presentation by the district’s facilities team about future building guidelines. Board member Darlene Garrett asked how much developing the guidelines cost. When none of the four facilities department executives could answer, her frustrations boiled over. “This is an example,” she said referring to other times she’s asked about construction-related costs. “Nobody knows because nobody cares. We have a limited budget, and we should know what it costs.”

Board member Paul Daniels and Vice Chairman Amos Quick followed Garrett, echoing her frustrations.

Quick noted that the airport area high school not yet under construction — but approved under the 2008 school construction bond referendum — was originally proposed at $88 million and now is about $70 million and he still isn’t sure why the cost dropped or why it’s still expected to cost so much.

Chairman Alan Duncan took exception to his fellow board members’ comments, saying the board should concentrate on building schools at a reasonable cost but that also would last for generations.

“There are some counties that are doing the minimum. I don’t agree with that philosophy,” Duncan said. “I believe our staff is working hard to do the right thing.”

Hayes also noted that if the board is interested in saving money on construction, then policies should be developed to fill schools already built .

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing @news-record.com

*This article has been edited to reflect the correct vote count. Board Vice-Chairman Amos Quick changed his vote after the print deadline.

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Bang201

November 11, 2009 - 8:04 am EST

Really Brian? Deena Hayes formed a committee that met for over a year and came to conclusion that the gang and violence issue was overstated? Could that be perhaps because one of the members of the committee that Deena appointed was a gang member? Either you or the editorial staff of the News and Record are so one sided on this issue. You've written countless articles about the controversy of Tasers and not one about the SRO in Myrtle Beach that was recentless stabbed 7 times by a student before he shot and killed the student. As a parent of students in Guilford County I want SRO's to have every tool available. Our current school board should pay close attention to what happened in the recent municipal elelction. Our votes will be heard.

tuffi

November 11, 2009 - 8:33 am EST

The SRO needs every tool possible to quel a riot and to try to keep peace. Some of these "children" are as big as or larger than the SRO. I would rather have one tasered than shot dead. Maybe this brilliant school board needs to go to a school and be there for several days. I have grandchildren in high school and I hear of some of the antics that happen there. Let's get on to more important issues than what a police officer needs to keep peace.

snapandwhistle

November 11, 2009 - 8:37 am EST

I've got a proposal for Deena Haynes. Let me bring a 14 year old girl of my choosing to the next Board meeting. During that meeting the 14 year old girl is going to assault her repeatedly until Ms. Haynes can put handcuffs on her or until Ms. Haynes loses conciousness. If she can get the handcuffs on her, she can take away the Tasers. If not, she needs to shut her mouth and let the SRO's do their jobs with the equipment available to them.

countryboy

November 11, 2009 - 8:53 am EST

"Several parents and community members have addressed the board on the issue over the past several weeks after a school resource officer used a Taser on a female student at Ragsdale High in September."
There are over 70,000 students in the system...and "SEVERAL PARENTS" have complained. How many have complained? Several could be three. WHERE IS THE JOURNALISM?

Days later, another resource officer was injured breaking up a fight at Northeast High. The sheriff’s office said the deputy did not use a Taser because of the controversy." (Oh by the way...the injuries required surgery...omitted by the crack reporting staff). In the next sentence....“Given the fact that school isn’t as dangerous as we thought, maybe it’s time to revisit Taser debate,” board member Sandra Alexander said".

You have got to be kidding me!!! Do you realize convicted criminals are sitting next to thirteen year old children in the classroom? Take Buffy's yearbook...go to the clerks office and run a background on every upperclassman...it will be worth the cost...and you will have a stroke. Remove tazers? Let's remove the school board and keep the tazers. We removed the paddles and 30 years later need SRO's with tazers. Now let's remove the tazers and in 30 years we will need the military with automatic weapons.

jgeorge

November 11, 2009 - 8:54 am EST

Reference the quote by Ms Alexander “Given the fact that school isn’t as dangerous as we thought, maybe it’s time to revisit Taser debate,” do you think that the fact that the SRO's do carry the Taser might have somrthing to do with keeping the schools more civil?

AirDoc

November 11, 2009 - 8:59 am EST

I don't understand what the issue is here. The very small group of people wanting to keep tasers out of our schools are miniscule, and it seems most have personal issues that place them or their family members in a high risk category for getting tased. Tuffi and snapandwhistle summed this issue up well.

DocF

November 11, 2009 - 9:33 am EST

Given the fact that the "students" who have been tasered are hooligans and totally out of control, the need for the SROs to carry this weapon should be obvious to all, including clueless school board members.

I suggest that the various law enforcement agencies involved pull the SROs and let the board find private guards if they really want the tasers out. I certainly would not ask a cop to risk his life in the hostile environment that is the typical Guilford county high or middle school without a serious, non-lethal weapon to subdue these maniacs.

Doc

buzzman

November 11, 2009 - 9:56 am EST

It's interesting that all of the above comments support keeping tasers in the schools. Where are all those folks who are against them? It's typical Guilford County, GC School Board and Greensboro to make a BIG issue out of something like this just because a few citizens are against it.
If the N&R would change it's ways and do some accurate investigative reporting rather than writing a bunch of hearsay and what is said during the meetings, the story would be entirely different. Talk to the teachers who have to deal with these animals on a daily basis. I'm talking about the ones who continuously disrupt the class because they don't want to learn and don't want their classmates to learn either. And, the system is set up so that these animals cannot be dealt with effectively.
If the school board wants to solve the problem, it must go to the source and eliminate it. There is absolute no reason to keep these hooligans in school if they can't behave themselves!!!

eduguytoo

November 11, 2009 - 2:04 pm EST

Apparently there IS a reason to keep "hooligans" in school. If they leave or get kicked out, they become a dropout statistic. We can't have increasing dropout numbers! When I attended Greensboro City Schools during the 1960s and 1970s, there were students just waiting for the day when they turned 16 to drop out. While nobody wants to see someone throw away the opportunity for an education, the reality is that not everyone can be "saved." I also taught in a public high school for nine years (in Virginia, not NC), and I had pupils in my charge that were intent on being as disruptive as they could...until the day when they could legally exit. When they did, I didn't shed a tear. I know there will be some bleeding hearts out there who will cite statistics about how these dropouts will simply become criminals; they are probably right. However, it seems they are often criminals while in the school setting, too. And I'll bet that a serious "study" would show that even if they stick around in high school and never get the boot, they still end up with a much higher incidence of criminal activity once in the real world. For Pete's sake, let the SRO officers do their jobs with all the tools at their disposal. I, for one, will tell you that if some idiot "goes off" at my son's high school, I want the authorities to do whatever they need to bring things under control. At some point we've got to quit worrying about and pandering to the bad guys and start protecting the good guys.

buzzman

November 11, 2009 - 4:36 pm EST

VERY WELL SAID!!!

oh good grief

November 11, 2009 - 4:41 pm EST

"And I'll bet that a serious "study" would show that even if they stick around in high school and never get the boot, they still end up with a much higher incidence of criminal activity once in the real world."

I'm willing to bet that for some if not most troublemaking students the "real world" of criminal activity starts each and every school day when the last afternoon bell rings signaling that day's dismissal from the custody of the school system.

eduguytoo

November 11, 2009 - 5:16 pm EST

When I started reading your comment, I thought you were going to say that the criminal activity started the minute the opening school bell rang. That's probably closer to the truth.

oh good grief

November 11, 2009 - 5:44 pm EST

Eduguytoo, I hope the troublemakers are engaged in more "real-world" criminal activity in after-school hours, rather than during school hours. Why do I say that -- because I want them caught and dealt with "out on the street" by law enforcement's full force with no screams of "don't tase me, 'cause Deena and Stafford said you shouldn't."

Voice of Reason

November 11, 2009 - 10:35 am EST

I've made my position on this issue quite well known. I will add only this: the school board has no jurisdiction over the police department. They have no right to tell the police what tools to use, and no authority either. SRO's will continue to carry TASERs, and that is as it should be. Many times when SRO's need help with larger scale incidents additional police units are called into the school, and they will have TASERs too. And they will also all have guns too you know.

School Board: talk to your teachers. Ask them what they want, what they feel is necessary. Many of them would carry TASERs themselves if allowed. They are there everyday, with the students, with the child-criminals and juvenile delinquents. And teachers, you'd do well to attend the meeting as well, to remind the school board of the dangers you face and the students you have enrolled. Maybe, just maybe, the school board will see reason.

Paul Daniels

November 11, 2009 - 11:58 am EST

All:

Voice is right; the BOE has no authority to tell the Sheriff or the chiefs of police what their officers can or can't carry. I have made it very clear that I support our SROs and tell them everytime I run into one how much I support them and their mission. We would be in much worse shape without the SROs.

The invitation to the Sheriff and chiefs was originally styled as a motion to invite them to meet witht the BOE to discuss ending the use of tasers. I believed that that motion sent the wrong message, i.e., that they were invited to a meeting where the BOE would ask them to stop equipping their officers with tasers. I then offered a substitute motion to ask the Sheriff and the chiefs to meet with us simply to discuss the use of tasers. I explained that it would be a full and frank discussion on the use of tasers from all points of view. I believe that conversations like these can be helpful, and may even help those who oppose the use of tasers to understand why they are carried by officers and what the protocol is for using them.

As much as some on the board do not like officers using tasers, I do not believe (thankfully) that a majority of the board wants to give law enforcement the ultimatum of taking SROs out of school if they don't quit using tasers.

Some of you are very passionate about this subject. I encourage you to come to public comments and let the board know how you feel on this or any other topic.

Paul Daniels,
District 5

bottechia

November 11, 2009 - 1:52 pm EST

Is this the most important issue facing our schools currently?
Seems to be a broken record with this committee.

JimDandy

November 11, 2009 - 3:11 pm EST

“Given the fact that school isn’t as dangerous as we thought, maybe it’s time to revisit Taser debate,” board member Sandra Alexander said.

I can not beleive this person can think that gangs are the only reason kids fight in schools. I feel that if they are going to remove anything from the schools it should be the people that say things like this without putting any thought to it. The last FOUR school shootings in the USA had NOTHING yes NOTHING to do with GANGS , two were from being bullied and the schools doing NOTHING about it and the other two were due to being mad at another person.I feel that if these people can not hold students and their parents responable for what they do ( Yes , I said make the parents resonsable too ) then when there becomes a problem in one of the schools and they remove the tasers then I feel EVERY parent that had a child there to see it should just SUE THE SCHOOL and let them know just how we feel about these kids being bullies not just to other kids but to the teacher and the SROs.If these kids can not show respect to the SROs then they will continue to become a problem in our community and if these kids are fighting and trying to hurt adults and SROs then where are their parents at , why are they not teaching these kids morals. I feel that maybe CPSs should be called to investigate any kid under 18 that openly strikes an adult and the parents that seem to have no controll over them. I also feel that the school needs to intervein into kids they see bulling instead of pushing it off to the parents to stop the bulling.
One of my children was being bullied last year going to , at and going home from school. I talked to people in the school and got nowhere , it was only AFTER I talked to these boys myself with a threat of having a police officer freind of mine meet with them and their parents if it kept up did it stop.

stafford5465

November 11, 2009 - 3:50 pm EST

Things have changed a lot in the last month. First, Taser International that makes the taser has come out with an advisory that users should not tase a person in the chest. If you shoot at the head, you may blind the person. Second, in some systems, SROs have used the taser on kids that did not "move on fast enought" to suity the SRO. If fact, one SRO tased several students just to see how it felt. Children should not die because they a "attitude problem". We have in Guilford County no protocol that I know of on when and how the tasers will be used. I understand the following:
(1) The FBI does not use them.
(2) The Federal Bureau of Prisons do not use them.
(3) They are not used in mental hospitals.
(4) They are not used in state prisons.
(5) Over 50 people have been killed by tasers in the U.S.
Use of a revolver or a taser should be used only when the SRO's or someone else's life is in danger.
In summary, I may give up on a student, but I want give up on them if they are under 16 years of age.
Also, the BOE pays the wages for the SRO's. They not only have a right but they have a duty that the security on the school grounds is appropriate for the situation.

buzzman

November 11, 2009 - 4:33 pm EST

stafford5465 - You make absolutely no sense at all!!!
I'll only address a few of your incorrect statements.
The protocol is that the SRO is a trained law enforcement officer who uses judgement based on training and experience to decide if and when to taser.
I haven't heard of any students being killed in Guilford County Schools by tasers.
Just because some other agencies do not use tasers has nothing to do with the Guilford County School System. Obviously, local law enforcement agencies, that provide the SROs, have determined that tasers are a useful tool.
I don't believe that it has been proven that "over 50 people have been killed by tasers in the U.S." Many of them died of pre-existing conditions that may or may not have been aggravated by the tasers.
If the taser isn't present, the alternative is probably use of a firearm. Is that what you want?

swerdna

November 11, 2009 - 7:29 pm EST

Stafford, why don't YOU join Deena and her friends and replace the SRO's? My bet is within a week, you'd be singing a different song!

Voice of Reason

November 12, 2009 - 8:44 am EST

Let me correct some more of your mistakes:
(1) the FBI does not deal in breaking up fights or with petty offenses, and in terms of how many people they charge, it is insignificant as compared to the numbers local agencies deal with on a regular basis. when the FBI goes after someone, they have days or weeks of planning, and they go in with their guns drawn. is that what you suggest SRO's should do?
(2) my uncle worked at a maximum security prison. go look on the WEB and see how they stop fights in prison yards. a guy in a tower shoots and kills them with a rifle. really.
(3) mental hospitals use brute force to subdue a patient, most of whom are kept drugged a large proportion of the time. SRO's work ALONE! additionally, they aren't used in mental hospitals by staff because the staff in mental hospitals are not police officers
(4) 90% of the time, use of a TASER is not required, because simply displaying a TASER is plenty effective
(5) revolvers? really? just how clueless are you?

I'll give you credit for making one correct statement: that the BOE not only has "a right but they have a duty that the security on the school grounds is appropriate for the situation." So true. Unfortunately, you are clueless as to how dangerous kids are today, and are clueless as to what is appropriate. Even a BOE member has stated in the comments to this article that they have no authority to determine what SROs carry, and the reason is simple- the Board of Education are not police professionals and have not had police training, and for that matter neither have you. Leave the law enforcement to the professionals.

swerdna

November 11, 2009 - 7:26 pm EST

I say that Deena Hayes and other BOE members who oppose the use of tasers should be required to work in the classrooms of various schools for a solid month to see what teachers and staff are dealing with daily. We have students who have no respect for authority, have anger management issues, and could care less about learning. Our teachers deal with these students daily while trying to do their job and educate the students who do care.

The SRO's have every right to be able to protect themselves as they do their job of protecting the students who are in school to get an education and the teachers who are there to make this happen. Should the BOE decide to prohibit tasers in the Guilford County Schools, the sheriff and police departments should immediately pull their officers OUT of the schools and let the BOE have the responsibililty of protecting our students. Maybe they can put Deena Hayes in there and let her see how insignificant her big mouth really is!

GBO_Yoda

November 11, 2009 - 9:13 pm EST

If I had my way I would see that every police officer in Greensboro had everything and anything they wanted to protect themselves and the community, they( GBO officers ) have an extreme job. Anytime I have been around any city police they have been friendly and show complete integrity.Give them anything they need...... I say they deserve it without any doubt, there is no debate here.................

GBO_Yoda

November 11, 2009 - 9:22 pm EST

SRO'S included might I add ......................... Give them the best ,and anything they need to cease the individuals and situations and keep the kids safe.This is a no brainer people !!!!!!!!!

swerdna

November 11, 2009 - 10:53 pm EST

Ditto everything you've said!

JackK

November 12, 2009 - 8:49 am EST

Omitted from the reporting were the 2 public comments made earlier during the meeting by teachers about threats of violence made where nothing was done and about the actual number of acts of violence in comparison to the reported number. These comments were glossed over so that Deena's ad hoc committee--no expertise in the subject on the committee from what I remember of its make-up--could present their findings.

teachertruth

November 12, 2009 - 9:51 am EST

If I were the Police Chief, I would just pull my guys out of schools altogether. See how schools look after a year or so with no officers.

Cameras and Police are the ONLY reasons some of the kids that the county school board forces schools to keep in their building behave.

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