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Some fear vaccines more than flu viruses

Friday, November 6, 2009
(Updated Saturday, November 7 - 7:32 am)

For three Moses Cone Hospital employees, not wanting to get a seasonal flu shot was worth losing a job.

While they might have paid a high price for their stance, they’re not alone. Many Americans, urged on by prominent skeptics such as Rush Limbaugh , say they don’t trust the vaccine and don’t want a shot.

The aversion raises a thorny question: Is flu-shot paranoia spreading faster than the illness itself?

Keith McCrary, associate director of UNCG’s student health services, said generational factors are at work.

“They’ve never seen this kind of a mass vaccination before,” he said, speaking of students. “So they’re a bit skeptical.”

A national study by the C.S. Mott Children’s Hospital in Michigan found that only 40 percent of parents planned to have their children vaccinated against the H1N1, or swine flu, virus. A majority said they were worried about possible side effects, although public health officials say no serious problems have been reported.

In the Moses Cone case, the hospital required employees to receive seasonal flu shots for the first time this year. The H1N1 shots will be required as well, said hospital spokesman Doug Allred . He said the requirement is an effort to protect those at the hospital. More than 8,000 shots were given, but three employees refused.

Distrust has flowered in an environment in which many serious diseases have been all but eradicated and pandemics are only faintly remembered.

Very few people remember the 1918 flu pandemic, which killed more than 500,000 Americans and millions more globally. For younger Americans, the polio epidemics that swept the country after World War II, emptying swimming pools and killing and crippling thousands of children, are distant history.

Dr. Ward Robinson, medical director at the Guilford County public health department, said that for many people, the level of concern about some diseases has fallen so far that they are now more concerned about the effects of the vaccine.

The reluctance also comes in the context of a backdrop of anti-government rhetoric.

According to the watchdog group Media Matters, Limbaugh recently weighed in on the H1N1 vaccine. “You have some idiot government official demanding, telling me I must take this vaccine. I’ll never take it,” he said.

“The next time you hear 'The government says ...’ don’t believe it. You’ll be healthier, trust me,” Limbaugh said.

Attitudes were different when diseases such as polio were prevalent, said McCrary of UNCG.

“That’s just stuff that we grew up with, and we had faith that the government was going to give us something that’s OK,” he said.

In the case of the H1N1 vaccine, some concerns deal with the newness of the vaccine and whether it is being rushed out.

“This is using the same process as the seasonal flu vaccine,” McCrary said. “All they did is alter it just a little bit to address the difference in the virus.” 

Contact Jason Hardin at 373-7021 or at jason.hardin@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Jerry Wolford (News & Record)

MORE INFORMATION

The Urgent Care at 102 Pomona Drive in Greensboro has received 200 doses of the H1N1 vaccine. Call 299-0000 for more information.

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brian444

November 6, 2009 - 3:33 am EST

It's a tiny risk either way. Or to put the matter another way, the dangers of both the swine flu and the vaccine are vastly overblown, the latter more than the former.

laserguidedloogie

November 6, 2009 - 7:09 am EST

Why does anyone have "faith" in the government?

The government is the most untrustworthy institution in America. Time and again our various governments, at all levels, have abused their powers, killed innocent people, lied, covered up, and sold us out to foreign governments.

Given that the U.S. Government just recently absconded with 700 billion dollars and handed it out to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street cronies of Bush and Obama (and foreign banks too!), given that our government seeks to subvert the will of the American people by continuously importing hordes of third world people, given that our government continues to expand foreign bases and attack and control overseas nations, given that our government shaves more and more of our freedom from the Constitution every month, why in the hell should any of us trust it?

If paranoia is the unreasonable and unwarranted fear of persecution, what is the term for an unreasonable and unwarranted trust? That to me seems to be the greater problem in our society, not paranoia. We could do with a bit more paranoia where the government is concerned.

I don't trust my government and I have many many good reasons for that. If people want me to trust them, they can start by being trustworthy. When someone tells me to shut up and "just get my dammed vaccine," and when they refuse to answer reasonable questions with anything but a contemptuous sneer, then that's not a very trustworthy action.

So the vaccine pushers can go to hell, as can the government they shill for.

Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

speakup2

November 6, 2009 - 5:36 am EST

Some of us are old enough to remember back when the government actually encouraged everyone to smoke. They said that it was GOOD for you. Cigarettes were even in the military rations. They did it because big business was handing out money. This also has to be about the money because it's not as if anyone in government gives a hoot about the American people. I can't believe that these people lost their jobs over a Flu shot, that may or may not work.

jstevenh1952

November 6, 2009 - 5:58 am EST

This is not the Goverment requiring the shots, its a hospital, looking to protect patients,employees and the public it serves from a dangerous virus that spreads quickly. The fact that three folks refused to get the shots, merely indicates that their priority is above the people the serve. It is certaintly their right to refuse, and it is the employers right to establish policy and enforce it, based on what they feel is in the best interests of their patients, employees and the public.

What if the hospital had no policy of inoculation? What would be the outcry from the public if the virus was to spread to patients and the public they served, or even worse the number of infected employees was enough to impede their ability to treat and care for the sick?

Kudos, Cone. But the writing on this was poor and slanted. I don't think Rush is the issue.

laserguidedloogie

November 6, 2009 - 10:28 am EST

Good dog jstevenh1952 ! (pats jstevenh1952 on the head). Now that you've learned to bark on cue, lets try some more tricks. Can you play fetch? (throws bone out in the middle of Wendover Ave.)

jstevenh1952

November 6, 2009 - 2:11 pm EST

Not sure what your point is. I don't even know these folks, my position is probably a bit to "right" for you. Do look down, someone is peeing on your shoes.

Interested

November 6, 2009 - 4:12 pm EST

Ahhh . . . another poster (lgl) who thinks he is witty. Stop behaving like a five year old on the school playground, calling those who disagree with you names. jsh1952 is correct - this is a private enterprise calling the shots, as is their right.

Doug Johnson

November 6, 2009 - 5:49 am EST

I would take it in a heart beat, sad thing I am over 65 and can not get it.
Obama and his puppets at the AMA told us folks over 65 did not get it.
My wife who is over 65, after 3 weeks and two hospital is now getting over it!
One of ours friends, over 65 is going on 4 weeks of this flu.
Noticed Kay Hagan and her liberal friends are wanting a investigation on how wall street bankers got the vaccine.
Wonder why, she does not want a investigation on the thousands of illegals that got it in California?
Are why Obama sent 10% of our supply to third world nations?
Come Hagan step up to the plate and answer my letters.

TammyC1968

November 6, 2009 - 1:42 pm EST

Just thought you may want to know that I have learned that most CVS pharmacies have the shot and can give it to people over 14 yrs old. There is a $15 fee for giving it that they charge. I do not know of any other age restriction other than having to be atleast 14. I was trying to find one for my 10 yr old Son who can't take the nasal mist and came across this. Good luck and pass on the info.

Alberto

November 6, 2009 - 8:37 am EST

Reading these comments make me sad. Vaccinations are great things, and there is no evidence otherwise. Enough with the conspiracy theories.

laserguidedloogie

November 6, 2009 - 10:26 am EST

Well gosh Alberto, I'm sorry to make you sad. Your happy-happy joy-joy feelings are all important to me. That's why I went back and made sure that nothing in my post had anything to do with mean old conspiracy theories. Yup, only conspiracy facts for me...

rlblue

November 6, 2009 - 8:58 am EST

I'd be more concerned about getting MRSA at Moses Cone. It's a filthy place, and they are doing nothing to correct this. My dad contracted the disease there, and he died from it. Moses Cone still owes me and my family an apology.

Panacea

November 7, 2009 - 12:35 am EST

I'm sorry to hear your dad got MRSA. It is endemic in hospitals nationwide, and more and more people are acquiring it in the community rather than the hospital.

But in Cone's defense, they have been working very hard to reduce their infection rates, with success.

Hand hygiene is key. Make sure your health care providers (doctors, PA's, nurses, lab techs, etc) wash their hands coming and going from your room.

rlblue

November 9, 2009 - 8:43 am EST

Hope so. Still haven't received an apology from Moses Cone.
He died in Palliative Care, and the nurse on duty wasn't even notified he was on contact isolation due to MRSA immediately prior to his death.
This day was Sept. 22nd, 2008 - Just over a year ago. This isn't something that happened ten years ago. It's still a filthy hospital.

If you are sick, go to Duke.

laserguidedloogie

November 6, 2009 - 10:36 am EST

Well this is a world wide problem. I believe there are about 80,000 - 90,0000 deaths in the U.S. from MRSA infections. Yes it is a huge problem, but it is general and not limited to MC.

Still, compare that number to the paltry 5000 deaths from H1N1 WORLDWIDE this year, and I'd say your point is well taken otherwise.

Obviously I'm not downplaying those deaths, but when you hype up a rather mild disease like H1N1 then that hype serves to downplay far greater concerns.

Ken
http://www.LaserGuidedLoogie.com

whyus

November 6, 2009 - 3:34 pm EST

I think someone should compare H1N1 deaths to the typcial flu and you would find out there has been some mass hysteria over H1N1. My daughter had H1N1 and had a high fever and aches and pains but nothing like the good ole' heaving with the normal flu. Somewhere along the way, there is a government official in HHS who is in the back pocket of the drug companies helping promote this. Remember the Aylar scare with apples?

jeaniegnc

November 6, 2009 - 6:18 pm EST

If Cone Hospital or any of the other hospitals are so concerned with patients health in regard to swine flu or any other communicable disease, they should insist that all of their employees, including doctors wash their hands in between patients. I have spent the past ten days staying with a relative who was hospitalized and not once did I see any employee wash their hands. In fact, the yellow basin that patients use to bathe in was sitting across the sink and I had to move it each time I washed my hands.

If you have an occasion to visit the hospital or become a patient, observe the staff and see if you witness handwashing. I know this article was about vaccinations but hand washing is almost as important when you go from one patient to another.

CopOnTheBeat

November 6, 2009 - 10:35 pm EST

Ken (laserguidedloogie): Are all these posts, especially all the juvenile prattle you've spewed so far, to get free publicity for your little blog? I notice you can't post here without putting links to it.

laserguidedloogie

November 8, 2009 - 1:08 am EST

Sure, all 2 or 3 of the people on this site. Especially if it bothers CopOnTheBeat. Anything to help.

laserguidedloogie

November 8, 2009 - 1:09 am EST

CopOnTheBeat

November 6, 2009 - 10:33 pm EST

Oh, and kudos to Cone! Its a private enterprise and they set the rules. If employees can't abide by the rules, then Elm and Church run right by the hospital - pick a street and take it. End of story...

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