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Big insurance already infringes on liberties

Thursday, November 5, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

One aspect of the health care debate that has been missing is how the current health care system affects one’s liberty, and how a public system will actually increase it.

One of the biggest arguments libertarians and conservatives have against reform is that it will increase the size of government, allowing it to run more and bigger programs. This is tantamount, to them, to reducing the liberty of doctors and patients to practice as they like.

But does it really? We all know that insurance companies deny payment, force defensive medicine, drop sick individuals and charge exorbitant rates. Is it truly a free system when one side has the power and money to force decisions on claimants — and the other side can, often enough, barely move?

Physical and legal violence by a corporation is still violence. The all-powerful corporation is just as capable of denying liberty as the all-powerful government.

The government, at least, is staffed by individuals with heavy regulation and mandates to be as nondiscriminatory and helpful as possible.

William Lyle
Greensboro

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Doug Johnson

November 5, 2009 - 5:54 am EST

Insurance companies force defensive medicine?
Gee I thought that was ambulance chasing lawyers?
I have been with the same insurance company for over 40 years, they have never cancelled mine.
Raised rates, many times, do I like them, not really.
Do I like them better than Obama care, yes!
For all you folks that love Canadian health care, take a trip to Duke, count the cars from Canada.
Wonder why these folks are down here?
My wife doctor, guess were he is from.
That right Canada.
Health reform yes, Obama care, I hope not.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 6:29 am EST

Mr. Lyle, many people have reviewed the government's track record of running other programs which were designed to 'improve the lives of millions' by 'lowering costs while improving service' and found waste, fraud, corruption, and poor execution. They have no desire to see the best health care system in the world turned into the DMV.

Please consider paying for your own medical needs and stop advocating government steal the belongings of others to foot your bills.

Sawdust

November 5, 2009 - 7:27 am EST

One way that Obama plans to reduce the costs of medical care is to eliminate "waste, fraud, and abuse". One has to wonder why, if it is that simple, it hasn't been done already. Just another political line that we've heard dozens of times before. And with every one of them, the waste, fraud, & abuse increased. They are an intrinsic part of any (I said ANY) government-run program. Anyone who believes government-run health care will be any different is a complete fool.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 6:52 pm EST

The track record is there. IMO, the liberals don't give a hoot in hell about fraud, waste, corruption, and cronyism. My belief is they simply want equality in healthkaya. As long as the guy down the road in the $350-$400K house with the Hummer and Jag in the drive has to wait 6 months for an MRI just like everyone else, they will be perfectly happy.

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 8:10 am EST

"The all-powerful corporation is just as capable of denying liberty as the all-powerful government."

But you can choose not to do business with the all powerful corporation. BCBSNC got too expensive so I booted them and switched to an HSA this year. I used Alltel for years and one of their "helpful" people pissed me off so I switched to Verizon.

But Dan, but Dan what about those with pre-existing conditions who cannot switch? Agreed, that is a problem that should be addressed along with making insurance more portable and ending out of state restrictions.

"The government, at least, is staffed by individuals with heavy regulation and mandates to be as nondiscriminatory and helpful as possible."

Govt. individuals are helpful?

Pause............

Sorry I had to quit laughing so hysterically that I couldn't type.

Heavy regulation? You got it, 2000 pages of it with Nancy Pelosi's name on the top page and her San Francisco values likely throughout. The House wants to vote on it this weekend and I doubt any of them have read it.

It will be interesting to see how some blue dogs vote after the smack downs in VA & NJ this week. Obama and Pelosi don't care if this effects anyones reelection next year, they could care less, they want this jammed through before the wheels fall off the wagon, which they are quickly.

rightwingnemesis

November 5, 2009 - 5:12 pm EST

Well according to most sources, the "Tea baggers" didn't make much of a showing today, but I found this article pretty conclusive as it cites many sources:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/tea-party-down

Shouting and disrupting do not really work well, but it still seems to be the strategy of that small, but loud group.

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 6:18 pm EST

"Well according to most sources, the "Tea baggers" didn't make much of a showing today, but I found this article pretty conclusive as it cites many sources:"

Now that's funny, how could an article written yesterday report on the "showing" of an event that happened today? Do you an MamaJones have a crystal ball?

J D R

November 6, 2009 - 2:28 am EST

Did you go Dan?

"Hannity [said] he may be there to cover the event ... " ... ".... featuring "brave, concerned, patriotic American citizens ..." protesting " ... ".. the greatest threat to freedom [House Minority Leader John Boehner has] seen in the 19 years since [he's] been in Washington .... "

ghost from white oak

November 5, 2009 - 8:14 am EST

" One of the biggest arguments libertarians and conservatives have against reform is that it will increase the size of government, allowing it to run more and bigger programs"
You are correct!
" The government, at least, is staffed by individuals with heavy regulation and mandates to be as nondiscriminatory and helpful as possible."
But that doesn't mean it will happen!

There is just about no problem that the guvmint can't make worse!

truth

November 5, 2009 - 11:16 am EST

I'm sorry. I just can't see that you're entitled to the liberty of health insurance by infringing on my liberty by requiring me to pay taxes to subsidize it based on any constitutional interpretation.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 12:09 pm EST

Tuesday's election results seems to have deflated the cockiness and bravado of the pro Marxist healthkaya scheme supporters somewhat.

Haven't even seen truman slinking around crowing about "a democratic health care bill by year's end" since election day. What gives?

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 12:19 pm EST

truman also predicted Yvonne Johnson would reelected as mayor, must be crying under his bed.

rightwingnemesis

November 5, 2009 - 5:24 pm EST

Mr. danagain,
Did you move to Greensboro? You seem to possess that "cockiness and bravado" that neocon speaks of when you speak of an election in Greensboro. Should I welcome you as a "taxpayer" or as an outsider with your nose pressed against the glass?
All politics is local and Tuesday was no exception.
Guess the fact that the House of Representatives picked up two more Democrats was lost on you and neocon? If Obama is responsible for the two gubernatorial races, then Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Steele, Tim Pawlenty et al are responsible for the district in NY going Democratic after being GOP since the Civil War.
As to Yvonne Johnson losing the race, she can only blame her supporters as they didn't turn out. 1,000 votes is not a mandate.
Sorry about the poor showing of the "Tea baggers". You can always turn to Fox News as I'm sure they'll photoshop the March on Washington crowd into the picture and claim 100's of thousands of protestors.

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 6:01 pm EST

Hey Smug,

I lived in Greensboro from 1970-1998. Frankly I don't need your welcome thanks.

The one Rep in CA is in a very liberal district, no surprise there. As for NY it illustrates that conservatives are sick and tired of RINOs in office. The fact she endorsed the D candidate illustrates it.

I thought dissent was patriotic smug?

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 6:44 pm EST

"all politics is [sic] local"...

LOL. This is exactly the talking point released early Wed. morning by the DNC. Obots indeed!

Do you think Zero, Peloski, & Co. would be pounding their chests and crowing about how the little messiah's influence is still a force to be reckoned with had Corzine ans Deeds won?...You bet your bippy they would, baby!

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 7:32 pm EST

If all politics are local then I wonder why Bama made multiple trips to VA & NJ? Why take time out of his busy schedule for local stuff?

You are right Neo, if Corzine & Deeds had won, hell just one of them even, the powerful influence of the Obama revolution would have been reported 24/7 on MSNBC & CNN.

Let's see, he's done special travel as part of 3 separate attempts to display his influence over voters, VA, NJ & Copenhagen for the Olympics. So far 0-3.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 7:51 pm EST

'Eye Candy' has a good take on this :
http://www.anncoulter.com/

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 8:35 pm EST

I remember DD used to call her "eye candy". I think we have another on our hands, same holier than thou attitude but with far less imagination. Wonder if rightwinger sews Canadian flag patches too? Likely.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 1:23 pm EST

Yes he did, Dan. But now even dingy Harry is saying no senate action until next year.

But you can bet that there WILL be a DEMOCRATIC bill passed by next ground hog's day! And it WILL have the Marxist (public) option! And you have a great day! Seriously! :]

Edit: this website sux, can't 'reply to comment'.

danagain

November 5, 2009 - 2:15 pm EST

Sometimes I can't reply to a specific comment but working today. Here's truman from Sept.

zeus80
September 3, 2009 - 1:58 pm EDT
Unenlightened sawdust, dusty sawdust, just watch President Obama's poll numbers go up, uP, UP after the "Ted Kennedy Health Care Act" is passed this fall! B E T C H A! And there's no doubt about it, dusty!

Well that doesn't seem to be working so:

zeus80
October 20, 2009 - 4:06 am EDT
Dr. Kernodle, worry not! Common sense will prevail! And DEMOCRATIC health care reform will happen! Yes it will! Before Christmas, 2009!

So now truman has till Christmas, next it will be Groundhog Day, then Easter perhaps.

Only about 2 1/2 months left to close Club Gitmo and transfer terrorists to a town near you.

J D R

November 5, 2009 - 5:11 pm EST

bemusings from both sides sure to advance the cause of America.

rightwingnemesis

November 5, 2009 - 5:27 pm EST

Mr. JDR,
You have to admit, those two are amusing, if not very bright. I misspoke, as I think Mr. neocon is inquisitive, though fully intransigent.

neocon

November 5, 2009 - 6:37 pm EST

"those two are amusing, if not very bright"

Can't speak for Dan, but my take on this observation is that those who accuse others of being "not very bright" are the ones who, evidently, are incapable of caring for themselves and theirs and thus must lobby government to confiscate the earnings of others pay their way in life.

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