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School's closed; parents antsy

Wednesday, October 14, 2009
(Updated 3:12 pm)

GREENSBORO — Some Oak Ridge parents, anxious about getting their children back into their local elementary school, are circulating a petition calling for the school district to expedite work addressing possible air quality issues at the school.

The petition, released online Monday and signed by 35 people as of Tuesday afternoon, calls for Guilford County Schools to reopen Oak Ridge Elementary no later than January .

“We think due diligence has been done,” said Heather Champion , mother of two Oak Ridge students. “Enough is enough, it’s time to go back into our school.”

Superintendent Maurice “Mo” Green closed the school to students and employees in June. Students started school at four substitute locations this August.

Employees and students have complained of illnesses there that included headaches, nose bleeds and chronic respiratory problems since the building reopened in 2005 after undergoing major renovations and additions.

School officials this past summer brought in the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health and the private consulting firm Turner Building Science and Design to inspect the school.

District officials said they will open the school when all work is completed but that can’t happen until NIOSH returns its final report. The findings of that report could require additional work.

NIOSH officials said it could be late November or later before they issue their findings.

“I think from early on we tried to be clear that the report was going to take some time,” said Fred Blosser, a spokesman with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Champion said many Oak Ridge parents held their tongues earlier this year to be good neighbors but now they want their children returned to their school.

“Unless there is something the school system or NIOSH isn’t telling us, I don’t see anything that’s preventing us from being back in the school,” she said.

Guilford County has paid Turner $51,506 to help ensure mitigation work is done correctly. That work has included removing all carpeting and replacing it with vinyl tile, using dry ice to blast floorboards clean, and replacing damaged drywall.

Work at the school is set to exceed the $410,000 budget the school board approved for the work earlier this year by at least $40,000 . And the final bill could climb higher because there are costlier repairs yet to be made.

Leo Bobadilla, the district’s chief of operations, said he is hopeful that the work that has been done under Turner’s guidance will address any issues NIOSH might raise but the NIOSH report will provide in-depth analysis.

“I can’t give a date yet, not until NIOSH submits their report,” he said. “I would love to tell the community 'Here’s what we know and here’s how long it’s going to take and here’s how much it’s going to cost’ … but that’s very difficult to do when you don’t know what you’re going to be asked to do.”

Blosser said the NIOSH report will be thorough and that similar reports sometimes take as long as eight months to a year to complete. The report is too complicated to release individual findings, Blosser said.

“We are working hard and diligently to finish the report and to get it out,” he said.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Oak Ridge Elementary School.

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brian444

October 14, 2009 - 3:48 am EDT

"held their tongues to be good neighbors"? Translation, please? What, precisely, were they refraining from saying? What were the perceived imperatives in being "neighborly"?

Interested

October 14, 2009 - 6:42 am EDT

I'm sure that for many, attending a different school is less convenient and requires additional travel and planning. But which is more important - convenience or your child's health? After all the stories in the news, I would want an "all clear" before subjecting my child to what has been a suspected unhealthy environment for seven hours a day.

motherof3

October 14, 2009 - 7:06 am EDT

As a mother of 3, I can not fathom how a parent would want to send their child/children back to ORE without the proper signoffs and approvals. I have had two children go through ORE and one there now. Once my middle child left the school, all of the symptoms went away and have not returned. My child that is there now has not had any of the symptoms that were present and we fought all year long last year. For the safety of my child, and others, I do not want my child back in the building until I know the professionals have given the ok that it is safe. Apparently the parents who are wanting to go back have not experienced the illnesses and symptoms, but that does not mean they do not exist. I am sure if they had, then their opinions would be different. I would also be concerned of any possible long term affects. Sure, being away from ORE is an inconvenience, but isn't the health of our children worth an inconvenience to the PARENTS?

dawson333

October 14, 2009 - 8:51 am EDT

As of a father with 3 kids at ORE, all parents are concerned with safety and health of their kids. Neither the Guilford County Health Dept nor NIOSH's initial findings could either find anything wrong with the school. Yes, they did find some mold growing under the carpet in a few classrooms, but I'm sure every school in Guilford County has mold somewhere in the buildings. ORE last year had the 2nd highest attendance in the county. So for people to say that the school was causing their kids to get sick, the attendance record did not show that many kids out. There were only around 30 to 40 kids that were actually complaining of some type of illness. The parents of these kids are the ones that got the county to close the school, not NIOSH or Guilford County Health Dept. The threat of litigation was the main reason for the closing. I think the petition is a great idea, because someone needs to get NIOSH and the Guilford County School Board motivated. NIOSH did the testing back in July and it should not take 4 months to get results.

Jess

October 14, 2009 - 6:41 pm EDT

The health department has never said there is no problem or nothing to worry about. They have avoided the use of the term mold through fear of litigation. They did say your child was suffocating though - you ok with that? Have you read the World Health Organization's 2009 report on indoor mold and water damaged buildings? If you have not, get a copy and get informed.

Jess

October 14, 2009 - 7:59 pm EDT

The other thing you are forgetting is that NIOSH publicly disagreed with Dr. Ward Robinson. NIOSH knows and undrstands that mold can cause health problems.

How convenient it is to forget all these things when we're feeling inconvenienced.

GCS Parent

October 14, 2009 - 8:56 am EDT

Are you kidding me??? After months of screaming for the school system to do something, now they are doing it, and the response is "OK that's enough, your done, let us back in"???? I bet these are the same poeple that will be first in line to sue the disctrict if the findings determine there was unsafe air in the building. What administrator would send kids back in there before the work is done and the tests are back in? And what type of parents would ask for that???!!! This is unbelievable!

dawson333

October 14, 2009 - 9:27 am EDT

I think you are missing the point GCS Parent. I would put my 3 kids back in ORE in the morning if the doors were opened. It's not the people that are signing the petition that were threatening litigation, it was the 30 families whose kids were experiencing nose bleeds or headaches. These are the same families that flew the "nut" case lady from the Midwest down and had a meeting at the Oak Ridge park on a Saturday and were yelling "lets burn the school down." This same "nut" case lady was determined to be a fraud and was wanting Guilford County Schools to use her as a consultant. We have a beautiful school and it's only like 5 years old. The main problem seems to be from the HVAC system in which the county put in a dehumidifer and the air seems to be too dry, which can cause nosebleeds and headaches.

GCS Parent

October 14, 2009 - 9:58 am EDT

If your kid was one of the 30 how would you feel?

frustrated parent

October 14, 2009 - 3:46 pm EDT

GCS parent, you are an idot.

The people who wanted the building closed need to go to the GCS website and look at all of the time and money spent to appease them.
That Linda May was a total fraud and now many people will have to suffer for what she did.

GCS Parent

October 15, 2009 - 9:42 am EDT

Just because you are "frustrated" is no reason for name calling. Since you know nothing about me, let me assure that I am NOT an idiot. I am very rational and I know that there is a very high probability that a group of "frustrated parents" are very likely to file a law suit. And, Jill Wilson will be aware of that as well. They will NOT reopen the school in the face of that liability. The case of the sick children will be much more litigious and costly than the case of "inconvenience" that the petition parents would bring. Sorry, but that's the world we live in.

frustrated parent

October 15, 2009 - 10:08 am EDT

GCS parent

Do you have kids at ORE? I hope not. I hope my kids are not exposed to your offspring.

dawson333

October 15, 2009 - 10:31 am EDT

GCS Parent, it's not the "frustrated parents" that are screaming lawsuit, it was the 30 mold parents. NIOSH was not even brought in until after GCS decided to close the school because the rumblings of lawsuit were mentioned. So were are to punish the majority for the minority. It would have been cheaper to bring in 3 or 4 mobil units and place them on the playground and stick anyone who felt in danger in the units than the $500,000 we have spent since June. The petition was written in hopes that NIOSH will speed up the report so the cleanup/repairs can be done before the Christmas break so we can get back into our school in January 2010. NIOSH was only at the school for 2 days in July, so now 3 months have passed and where is this report. I don't think it takes 3 months to know the results of the samples taken. So if NIOSH does not tell us anything that we don't already know, then what? Are we going to keep throwing money at the school until the 30 mold parents are satisfied? So if you were asked to leave your home and live in a hotel for 3 months while you were waiting on a report from the federal government to be able to return to your home, would you not be on the phone asking for the report so the final repairs could be completed?

whatnow

October 14, 2009 - 10:02 am EDT

I agree with you GCS Parent. With all the commotion, I also can't believe that someone is now demanding that they wrap it up and get the kids back in school. Yes it might a little inconvient, but so what? Grow up for pete's sake. I can't believe you friggin people. And as for dawson333's comments, the same parents that flew the 'nut case' (dawson333's analogy, not mine) here are still the same parents. They haven't changed. The GCS is doing exactly the right thing by making sure EVERYTHING inside the school is environmentally safe before sending anyone back in.

Rationale ORE parent

October 14, 2009 - 11:06 am EDT

How long should the school continue searching for something wrong?? Will those that believe mold was a problem ever be satisfied?? If nothing is found (which is exactly what has been found so far), will those parents tell GCS thanks for looking and happily go back to ORE? There has to be a rationale end in sight.

OREmbarassedMom

October 14, 2009 - 10:24 am EDT

It is more than just 'inconvenient' for my 2nd grader to be in a basement classroom at ORMA, with no windows, for almost 7 hours a day. They have no computer classes, no library to check books out from, and no playground to play on. And, on top of all that, their classroom is located directly across the hall from high school aged military school cadets - they have to share bathroom facilities with these older kids. Oh, and there evidently was some kind of small fire set in the gym facilities at ORMA the other day? Does this really sound like a better environment for my child than our own school that's only 5 years old?
As dawson333 said, there were a handful of families that did the 'screaming for the school system to do something'. The rest of us wanted due diligence to be done, in case there was a problem. But now, they've found no 'smoking gun', it appears little or no work seems to be happening at our school, and we're being told there seems to be no return in sight. All we're asking for is that any remaining work be expedited, and if nothing else is found, let's get our kids back in our school.

GCS Parent

October 14, 2009 - 10:50 am EDT

If your school is in the possession of toxic mold then ORMA is most ceratinly a better environment. And as for those older kids... there are only 61 cadets enrolled right now. I expect the elementary kids out number them be a great margin.

Have those of you who do not like the situation considered petitioning the school board for a reassignment to another school with available seats for the remainder of the year? That's always an option to any GCS student.

Rationale ORE parent

October 14, 2009 - 11:03 am EDT

There is no toxic mold. And regarding a transfer, it would be much easier and much cheaper to allow the handful of parents who thought their child was sick due to toxic mold to transfer.

OREmbarassedMom

October 14, 2009 - 12:11 pm EDT

So what if there are only 61 cadets enrolled right now - would you want your 7 year old to have to be across the hall from them, let alone using the same bathroom facilities? I'm not sure what the point is about our kids 'outnumbering them' - high school kids in camo uniforms are intimidating to young kids.
The only mold found at ORE was in the carpets, and those have all been torn up and replaced with vinyl. There were no tests done at ORMA to make sure that it was free of mold before we moved our kids there, so how can you say it's 'most certainly a better environment'? There have been heating and air issues in the basement classrooms already, and roof leaks in other rooms at ORMA - and yes, some kids have had nose bleeds there too. So, can you see our point that if nothing has been found at ORE, why we'd much prefer to have our children there? Maybe some of you who are so critical of us need to come up and tour ORE, ORMA, and the trailers at NW Middle and see where you'd rather have your children.
As for taking our kids to public libraries, etc - again, you've missed my point entirely. Because the 2nd graders are at ORMA, they do not get to leave their classroom for any of their specials - art, music, spanish are all done in their classroom. Yes, this does seem to be just an inconvenience to you, but think of it this way. On a day like today, our kids get to school and go to their classroom at 7:45am. From that point on, except for a 30 minute lunch, they don't even see the outdoors until 1:50 at recess time. But, since it's raining out, they'll stay in that room for recess. No break at all for 7 hours in a small windowless room - how can a teacher keep kids engaged and learning in an environment like that? Our teachers are doing a great job, and I can't thank them enough. But that has to be tough to keep 20-something 2nd graders from getting a little wound up when they're all cooped up.

Jess

October 14, 2009 - 6:47 pm EDT

Your comments are getting old because you obviously know NOTHING. Mold has been found in many areas of the school, not just the carpets. How can an ORE parent make such flippant comments yet know nothing of the situation. You raise no valid point because everything you say about the situation is false and shows your complete lack of understanding and knowledge. Refrain from the comments until you know what you are talking about and can back it up. Until then, stop embarrassing yourself.

OREmbarassedMom

October 14, 2009 - 8:06 pm EDT

Jess - How is it that you can say I know "nothing of the situation" and "everything I say about the situation is false" when I am taking my child into ORMA every day? What comments have I made that are so "flippant"? Why don't you address the points I am making that my child is dealing with in this current situation? Again, just answer my question - do you think the air quality in a basement classroom with no windows, for 7 hours a day, is really such an improvement? You don't think that's a valid point?

frustrated parent

October 14, 2009 - 9:11 pm EDT

So Jess,

Were your kids sick? Did you take them to a pediatrician or an allergy specialist? Did you test to see if they were allergic to mold?

By the way, as far the petition goes, if there is mold in the school don't you think it would be a good idea to get in there and get it out before it grows exponentially. That building is just sitting and nothing is being done. Do you honestly think that is the right thing.

frustrated parent

October 14, 2009 - 8:38 pm EDT

Jess,

I am curious. Are you someone who volunteers a lot, helps with PTA etc? I am very involved in PTA and I volunteer all the time
I have been at ORE, 2050 Oak Ridge Rd, very frequently like entire days since it opened in 2005. My older child moved in that spring of her Kindergarten year. I never had any symptoms and never noticed anyone complaining until April of 2009.

I have been tested and I AM allergic to mold. I NEVER had any symptoms in that building.

Parent 1

October 14, 2009 - 6:33 pm EDT

Us "mold" parents tried to get transfers and GCS would not give us equal to OR.

Interested

October 14, 2009 - 11:42 am EDT

Little or now work? To the tune of nearly half a million dollars? Nothing found? What about the mold? And if I am not mistaken, this was not just about a few children; I believe faculty members had also medical complaints. By the way, four months without a computer will not likely ruin your child's education, surely you have a public library you could take your child to after school, and children do just fine without playground equipment - just give them a ball and a field. ORMA does have those.

Rationale ORE parent

October 14, 2009 - 11:01 am EDT

Wanting to get back to ORE is not a matter of being inconvenienced. It's a matter of believing that the school is safe for our students! There is nothing to indicate otherwise.

If I believed the school was making children sick, I wouldn't mind the inconvenience, but I don't believe it. I believe the headaches might have been exacerbated by poor air ciculation which is common in new construction and can be handled by simply cracking a window or door. Bloody noses -- dry air -- remember they ran dehumidifiers in the school last year. My son, who is prone to nosebleeds has had more nosebleeds in the past 10 days than he had all last year at ORE, but I'm not complaining that they need to close down the mobile units at NWMS. I would also guess that the basement rooms at ORMA have less air circulation and more mold than any room at ORE.

Our school is one of the cleanest, saftest schools in the county. We are draining resources that are needed by other schools in the county that have real problems and are in no where near the wonderful condition that our school is in.

Interested

October 14, 2009 - 3:15 pm EDT

If the findings have not been released, how do any of you "know" that no problems exist or that your school is one of the safest?

Jess

October 14, 2009 - 12:30 pm EDT

I am outraged and appalled by the lack of empathy and the naivety of parents wanting to expedite this process. Have you not read the environmental reports from 2005-2009 that show extremely high levels of aspergillius, penecillium, and other toxic molds? Have you researched these molds yourself? Are you aware of the health problems they cause? I thought Oak Ridge parents were a little smarter. The number of students affected are in the hundreds, and at least half of the faculty were affected. People still have ongoing problems associated with this. This is a very real problem. The smoking gun has actually been found. Have you read the file of information containing all the emails that date back to 2005 where school officials make mention of the mold problem but decide to put children in there regardless, even knowing the risks? And you'r ok with this, and want your children back in there? You are very misinformed and naive. Educate yourself about the facts that are in front of you and stop being so ridiculous. Your child has a computer at home, and books they can read, and areas to run and play. You are inconvenienced and nothing more. NIOSH is conducting a THOROUGH investigation. Our children and teachers deserve nothing less.

frustrated parent

October 14, 2009 - 3:58 pm EDT

Jess,

I think you are misinformed.

Jess

October 14, 2009 - 5:45 pm EDT

I'm very well informed. I've read every report and seen how high the spore levels are in the school - some of the reports show that the spore counts are too high to even enumerate! I've also read the file containing all the emails from school officials back in 2005. Have you? Your knowledge seems a little light on to me. But then, I would imagine that the 60 odd names in the shame file (aka petition) are probably in the same boat as you. Are you more worried about your house price or people's health and safety? Get informed!

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