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Gang threat in schools overstated, group says

Wednesday, October 7, 2009
(Updated 5:32 am)

GREENSBORO — The issue of gangs in schools may be less of a threat than some people believe, according to one group’s findings.

The School Safety Committee, formed and led by Guilford County Board of Education member Deena Hayes, has spent the past two years collecting information about gangs and safety issues in schools.

The committee presented its initial findings Tuesday to schools Superintendent Maurice “Mo” Green.

Among the findings:

* The number of violations involving gang-related activity fell slightly to 73 violations last year from 75 violations during the 2007-08 school year. There were 114 violations reported during the 2006-07 school year and 51 in 2005-06.

* The most common gang activity reported was wearing gang clothes and using gang signs. Most gang activity at schools did not involve criminal activity or violence.

* The number of reported crimes in Guilford County Schools fell to 545 last year from 638 in 2007-08 . There were 482 reports in 2006-07 .

* Eighty-five percent of reported crimes on school campuses involved drug, alcohol or weapon possession. The majority of weapons were knives, and most drug cases involved marijuana.

Based on those findings, Green gave the group permission to meet with school system administrators responsible for dealing with school safety.

“I think it’s helpful information,” Green said. “To receive information, to have conversations with various groups — that’s been part of my strategy since year one.”

Hayes said she hopes the information will help inform principals about how to deal with safety issues in their schools.

“It’s much less of a problem than what the dialogue suggested,” she said, referring to public discussions about gangs in recent years.

Hayes’ committee is an ad hoc group that is made up of representatives from the Greensboro Housing Authority, The Hope Project, school district administration and local police agencies as well as school principals.

School board member Garth Hébert has long advocated for gang awareness and strict policies on gang activity in schools.

Hébert said he is uncomfortable with the idea that Hayes’ group is meeting with district administrators.

“I think the school board needs to review this material before we go forward,” Hébert said.

Smith High Principal Noah Rogers said he found rampant gang activity in that school when he arrived in 2006. Since then, the school has seen improvements in graduation rates and testing goals.

Rogers said meeting with gang members was the key to turning the school around.

“Whoever they were associated with was their business,” Rogers said. “I simply want to see them get an education. … I saw potential with their lives.”

Green said he wants Rogers and High Point Central High Principal Revonda Johnson to share their strategies for dealing with gangs and gang activity with the rest of the principals in the district.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

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Bang201

October 7, 2009 - 7:05 am EDT

Why is that everytime Noah Rogers opens his mouth shameless self promotion comes out? How about giving the kids some credit sometime. Also found it interesting that Mr Ewing failed to mention that Deena Hayes had appointed Jorge Cornell to this committee. When is her seat up for re-election?

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 8:17 am EDT

Anyone who has followed this persons career will quickly note she is racially bias. Please note her report will fail to identify the racial demographic of those "offenders", which is the real problem with our schools and Greensboro at large.

A gang of whites didn't beat to death that student in Chicago . . .

Brian Ewing

October 7, 2009 - 9:39 am EDT

Bang,

I did include that Hayes invited Cornell but it was cut by an editor for space. Note she "invited" him. This group doesn't have appointments as I understand it.

brian444

October 10, 2009 - 12:16 am EDT

That strikes me as a pretty amazing (and indefensible) cut. To have invited a self-professed gang leader to participate in the project raises all kinds of red flags.

angie123

October 7, 2009 - 7:19 am EDT

Does this surprise anyone? I think we all could have predicted what Deena Hayes' gang report would have said before she submitted it. There are no gangs according to her. There is no violence or bad behavior in her community. It's the same old story from her.

Does anyone remember the student who was severely beaten at Grimsley a couple of years ago? All he did was walk down a sidewalk and he was assaulted. Does anyone know how he's doing now? Maybe Deena's committee could have spoken to him or his family.

holland4

October 7, 2009 - 7:33 am EDT

I was in a meeting in 2006 where Deena Hayes claimed that black people couldn't be racist since they were without power. I don't think most locals realize just how radial that woman is.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 10:08 am EDT

. . . well she may be radial, to some extent . . . but her ideals are still racially radical. The perpetuation of black folks like her in public service and decision making and with her mentality that "every white person owes blacks something" is a blight and stumbling block to the whole community in which she has served.

Who knows the countless young minds this racially radical thinking and teaching has damaged. To deny the existance of black racial hates for whites and other races . . . is akin to denying a problem exist at all.

gboro84

October 7, 2009 - 8:10 am EDT

To bad this report doesn't include the incidents that happen between kids after they step off the bus. The drug deals, the gang beatings, etc..This report also can not include incidents that haven't been reported, such as when kids have their belongings stolen by an unknown, or when kids are threatened with violence not tell snitch. Deena Hayes hates snitches, she even said she doesn't want her kids to become snitches. Isn't Jorge Cornell on this board? hmmmmm...

ilvteaching

October 7, 2009 - 8:55 am EDT

" The issue of gangs in schools may be less of a threat than some people believe".
Bull.

oppenheimerfund

October 7, 2009 - 8:59 am EDT

JPeterman...It sees as though all of your statements are centered around race. You and Mrs. Hayes have the same agenda except she is black and you are white. You are polar opposites, but you are one in the same if you stripped the color off. Yes, there are gang issues in the schools and the neighborhoods, but people of good will have to work together, with the schools, to solve it.
Peterman, why dont you volunteer in the schools to help out, to counsel young men, become a mentor, tutor...etc.
My father always told us to be part of the solution, but not add to the problems.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 9:59 am EDT

Well a wise cracker has voiced an oppinion . . . you may not know this, but I have farther reach in our system than you'll know, maybe we've met. When I text, it's based upon the facts. The truth is most violent offenders in our schools, the court systems, our gangs, our city and domestically at home . . . are blacks.

If these facts are racist, if this truth is racist, if these text are racist . . . then we have all lost. You do not address the problem . . . or even acknowledge it. In the course of a week I interact and engage in solutions . . . and therefore know the fruitlessness of my efforts when fools like you ignor the truths of black violent offenders in our community, city, county and state.

I'm a truthist . . . not a racist, so at least get that straight.

turkey

October 7, 2009 - 9:12 am EDT

I am a teacher at a high school in uilford County. I have been at three high schools in Guilford during my tenure. Gangs or no gangs there are a lot of bad things happening in our schoels. The main reason why is because nothing is done to the misfits that are disrespectful to teachers and other students. That are consantly on the phone and nothing is done. That are constantly listening to music on ipods and nothing is done. That start fights and nothing is done. That wear their pants around their ankles and nothing is done.
Did parents know that their good kids are attending schools with convicted felons? How ludicrous is that? Until the good parents that are left out there start raising cain about the lack of education their kids are getting because of the misfits and no child left behind the schools are going to con ti

turkey

October 7, 2009 - 9:16 am EDT

The schools are going to continue to get worse. The world needs ditch diggers too and there is nothing wrong with that. We just need to let the higher ups see that to try and save a few we are sparing the vast majority of good kids. This is one teacher who has had it and will not last for thirty years, not because I don't love it but b/c I am tired of the abuse and the higher ups allowing it to happen. Sorry for any spelling problems or errors I am in a hurry and don't have to for corrections. PARENTS STAND UP AND SPEAK OUT!!!

teachertruth

October 7, 2009 - 9:48 am EDT

Well, at least they got a neutral person in Deena Hayes to lead the committee.....was there ANY chance she would find gang activity to be a problem in the schools? As soon you told me she was on the committee I could have saved you all a lot of money and given you the results.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 10:24 am EDT

Point. Many blacks perpetuate a "cover it up" or "protect your people" attitude, similar to gangs at large. This attitude within folks of authority can not make our city a fluid machine.

There are 39 black officers in Greensboro who waited more than (5) years, possibly longer, to claim they were suddenly discriminated againts. These are folks of authority . . . and our police department is not the most fluid presently.

oppenheimerfund

October 7, 2009 - 10:08 am EDT

I guess black folks are causing all of the problems. I guess we Jews caused the financial problems in the country. yes, there are a large number of black kids getting in troble, causing trouble, etc. in our schools, but what type of solutions do you have J Peterman. Lets not call each other names. Lets come up with some solutions. J Peterman, I will lwt you go first: You are on the clock.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 10:17 am EDT

1. Affirmitive action - can it
2. Welfare - limit 1 year max benifits
3. Expell students period. Resulting expelled students serve Juv. Detention (military style) or face jail for remainder of school year. I don't care how old they are . . . 7 year olds stick people up too.
4. Have as many kids as you want . . . but if you are on a Welfare package you can only keep (2) the rest belong to the state. The tax payers own them now . . .

oppenheimerfund

October 7, 2009 - 10:54 am EDT

"J", I thought you were committed to talking about something along the lines of serious solutions to the problems. I hear that same rhetoric from you extreme conservative folks. Welfare and affirmative action are not the cause of problems in our society. Kids belong to gangs because there is a disconnect somewhere in that child's life. Yes it could be 1 parent families, but it also could be parents who work multiple jobs. Often they (kids) are left home for a couple of hours by themselves and that is never a good idea. Peterman, I want you to know that the way we gert rid of the gang issue is to first realize that they are a threat to everyone. Second, denounce gang violence. Make sure we know that everyone associated with gangs are a danger to society. Third, listen to people talk. Our brains are like parachutes, they only function when they are open. We have to listen to our young kids with an open mind. When we listen, we learn. And last, lets not throw race into everything. People like Deena Hayes exist because we have people
like you , "JPeterman". You people feed off of each other. You throw out a stat and you have to say that black kids are the problem. Instead of putting race with it, just say "kids". When you do that Deena and her camp will cone back with somethign else and it becomes less about solving problems and more about personal agenda.

Good People, we know that we have problems. Lets work together to solve them united and not divided.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 7, 2009 - 12:07 pm EDT

Who are you preaching too . . . your children? your people? Again you ignor the truth in the face of the facts.

mickey

October 7, 2009 - 11:04 am EDT

“It’s much less of a problem than what the dialogue suggested,” she said, referring to public discussions about gangs in recent years.

Really Deena? What did the dialogue suggest? That people are worried about gangs? Oh, so maybe people thought there was A LOT of gang activity and you "found out" that there is only a MODERATE amount of gang activity? Oh, yeah. Nothing for us to worry about. My daughter went to HS here and she told me that sometimes she was afraid. Guess what? I sometimes felt afraid if I happened to be in the halls when classes were changing. Some of those "boys" were pretty obnoxious, shouldering me out of the way in their prison-garb, falling down pants, and their oversize puffy jackets. It crossed my mind that there could be any number of things concealed in huge jackets like that. I volunteered at The Academy at Lincoln and there were kids sent to the office every day for gang activities. Most of it the principal swept under the rug. It was never reported.

prayingforpeace

October 7, 2009 - 11:29 am EDT

Having worked in several schools in this county, I am amazed at the downplay of gang issues in school. Clearly, they are not taking into consideration that most fights are not publicized as "gang related" but often are. Because most of these students are not going to admit to staff or administration that they are part of a gang. I see many students with the clothing and other "gang related" items everyday. I hear it from the mouths of these same students. Please tell me that we are not going to ignore this issue and pretend that it is better. We should be working to improve our schools from the bottom level on up. At home is where we can make a change. Be aware and active in your kids life. Yes, you do need to know their friends and where they are going. That is why we are called parents. We are not their friends. Teachers are trying to raise the children, because many parents are not raising their expectations. "Dream to Achieve, and Achieve to reach your Dream"

oppenheimerfund

October 7, 2009 - 12:28 pm EDT

"Prayingforpeace".....Thanks. We will make things better in our state. we need to get at the root causes and eradicate it. The family is the issue. Lets get at our kids early, help encourage them. Do our part to help society. We can not raise opther people's kids, but we can do something. Do not be afraid of talking to a kid when he gets out of line. I have been in schools in the North and South and habve not been afraid to say to a kid "hey that's not right. you are better than that." When kids see that you really care...they can respond. There ae some kids we can not save, but there are alot we can save. Good job "peace". I hate to leave you good Greensboro folks, but my plane awaits.

JPETE, it will be okay someday. Why dont you visit the local synagogue to get guidance on these issues. It helps me out alot.

Garth

October 7, 2009 - 12:44 pm EDT

Just because principals are scared to report gang activity as gang activity and our school’s credibility in reporting is still in doubt does not mean it isn't there. This is not a "race issue" it is a real world issue and anyone familiar with gangs knows that they are represented by almost all races. It is an issue of safety and responsibility and hiding from that just allows gangs to flourish.

We have armed robbery by a gang member on campus and it is called armed robbery, we do not call it gang related. After the kid does his time and he requests to be assigned to a different school to avoid gang contact and reform his life, this is a good thing. (no, it should never have happened in first place, I agree) Even arguing it was not gang related (I am not convinced), the fact that kid wants different school to avoid gang members suggests gang was an issue along the way.

A very real problem is the perception that African American male youth is same thing as gang member or violent child or society’s problem etc. It is a repugnant stereotype that is wrong! From what I have encountered at least half of gang issues appear to be non-African American. Prejudging kids by gender and skin color is abhorrent, the discussion should be about gangs and keeping all kids from their influence, not tolerating their presence as a social outlet beyond our control. Pretending they are not there sends a message of tolerance and ignorance as destructive as stereotyping.

JackK

October 7, 2009 - 1:45 pm EDT

Ms. Hayes is always in the mix when it comes to standing up for the downtrodden and misused, and she has a penchant for whitewashing awful behavior on the part of children of color or other ethnic minorities. It was only a few years ago that she wanted to sponsor a forum for students--mostly black males, one assumes--who had been suspended so we could all hear their side of the story. Heaven knows what that would be. Once one understands her agenda, she comes across as a marvel of consistency . . . reminds me of the famous "One note samba"!

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