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A&T may drop rapper from homecoming concert

Thursday, October 1, 2009
(Updated Friday, October 2 - 5:34 am)

GREENSBORO — N.C. A&T is considering replacing a gang-affiliated rapper who is headlining the school’s homecoming event, Chancellor Harold Martin said Wednesday.

“We are reviewing our options right now,” Martin said. “We are trying to determine if this artist can be replaced under the existing contract, how that would be done, what the fiscal result would be.”

Debate about the concert began shortly after students returned to school last month. Students objected to headliner Gucci Mane, who celebrates his ties to the Bloods street gang on songs like “Blood in Blood Out” and “Same Red Rag.” Violence and drug dealing are the dominant themes of his 2009 album “Murder Was the Case.”

Martin said the school doesn’t want to censor any artist, but gang activity and drug dealing aren’t the things that should be showcased when welcoming alumni and celebrating the university.

“In my mind, to have this artist at homecoming is inconsistent with what’s good about our institution — our history and our values,” Martin said.

Martin said he’s glad students are having the debate about the music, its appropriateness and the values of the university. He wishes the debate had begun well before contracts for the event were signed.

More than 6,000 tickets have already been sold for the Oct. 31 event at the Greensboro Coliseum, and Martin said thousands more people will come to Greensboro for all the homecoming events. That makes the choice on dropping a headliner from the bill more difficult, but Martin said he welcomes the discussion.

“This is frankly exactly the kind of intellectual debate we should be having at this university,” Martin said. “It is important, and it raises the intellectual climate when we ask these difficult questions about our community.”

Syene Jasmin, A&T’s student government association president, publicly apologized for the booking of Gucci Mane in a local TV interview last month. The SGA’s executive board helped choose acts for the concert in association with the production company producing the event. Students were supposed to be surveyed on who they’d like to see, but questions over Facebook — sent between May and August — were the only poll taken this year.

Jasmin’s statement brought criticism from students who said he shouldn’t have aired the school’s dirty laundry in public. But Martin and other prominent Aggies commended Jasmin for speaking out, not just to his fellow students but the wider community, many of whom will be affected by homecoming.

“I have high regard for the young man and his leadership,” Martin said. “I have high regard for his speaking up about this.”
Greensboro Mayor Yvonne Johnson, who got her master’s degree at A&T, said Jasmin was right — Greensboro has enough of a gang problem without throwing the homecoming spotlight on gang-affiliated rappers.

“That’s what he felt, and he should have said it,” Johnson said. “I don’t have any desire to have any person involved with gangs or bragging about gangs as a part of homecoming either.”

Julianne Malveaux, president of Bennett College for Women, said her Bennett Belles joined students from UNCG and A&T to denounce gun violence earlier this year, when 22-year-old Dennis Hayle became the second A&T student killed in a shooting in the past year and a half.

“We lose 2,500 African Americans aged 15 to 24 each year to this kind of violence,” Malveaux said. “And each time our hearts break because we know we’ve lost someone with great potential. So to invite Gucci Mane, a poster child for this kind of violence, to homecoming — I imagine it wouldn’t happen if there was a better conversation about the event.”

Martin said that’s what will happen at A&T, starting next year.

“We absolutely will be changing our process in the future so that there is more oversight and engagement with students, faculty and administration when we are choosing acts for homecoming,” Martin said.

Moreover, Martin said, he wants the campus to begin talking about what homecoming should be and what it has become. Martin said when he was an undergraduate, acts like The Temptations and Lionel Richie and The Commodores drew huge crowds at homecoming without celebrating everything negative in the community.

“I would like to see us getting back to a greater level of welcoming our alumni back to the institution, showing them where their school is going, showcasing their successes and celebrating this institution,” Martin said. “I believe we can do that and also have great entertainment that shares our values.”

Contact Joe Killian at 373-7023 or joe.killian@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: Gucci Mane

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Wilhammer

September 30, 2009 - 7:30 pm EDT

Chancellor Martin is a brave, honest, decent man; a true leader and great man of tremendous intellect and common sense.

He is everything Aggie Pride is about.

J Peterman Reality Tour

October 1, 2009 - 10:24 am EDT

If A&T booked this guy in every questionable area of Greensboro and the "neighborhoods" reacted like this . . . crime would dwindle to near nothing . . .

. . . it's a shame some "neighborhoods" do not care about themselves or Greensboro . . . lead A&T lead . . .

jazmarHoover1124

October 2, 2009 - 3:03 pm EDT

Why should it be a big deal. The girl Jasime knew what she was doing. She knew he was bring good money in for A&T but she got cold feet and was wondering what the higher people of A&T would think. But long story short, keep Gucci as headliner for the show so we wont miss this over something we cant control.

Gemini

September 30, 2009 - 8:01 pm EDT

I find it interesting that Mayor Johnson objects to a rapper with gang ties performing at the Colisuem for Homecoming. Apparently she does not mind a police officer holding press conferences with a validated gang member and convicted felon in which he accuses other police officers of an unjustified shooting and misconduct without evidence or merit. I would like for her to respond in public to that issue.

swerdna

September 30, 2009 - 8:48 pm EDT

Strange. I've neither heard or seen anything about this issue on WFMY-TV! Normally if there's ANYthing to do with A & T, they devote coverage quite a lot of coverage to it. Aggie homecoming saturates their newscasts - yet we see nothing on the homecomings of the other colleges in our city on News 2! Amazing how they've suddenly gone silent!

My hat off to A & T if they do, indeed, replace this guy because keeping him would be an endorsement of his message, and his message is NOT what young people of ANY color need to be hearing these days. Should they back down and keep him on the program, perhaps some pressure needs to be put on state legislators to cut back funding due to the clear waste of money.

AggiePridereborn

September 30, 2009 - 10:22 pm EDT

Chancellor Martin is a great leader. However, safety concerns will only increase if something like this happens. It is great to take a stand but the tickets have been on sale for a very long time. The leadership at the University should have been more hands on during the beginning of this process.

The two students (who did the right thing) apologizing to the concerned students and members of the community who were offended will be placed in a situation that could ultimately jeopardize their young lives. Like it or not, "Gucci Mane" seems to have some sort of radical following in this city and in the country.

(They may not know it) But those young men are standing on the shoulders of giants. God be with them through this storm

gboro84

September 30, 2009 - 10:41 pm EDT

I am pleased that their are many A&T students along with the chancellor, who oppose this artist performing at homecomiing. I think the chancellor is correct when he says this is the kind of debate we need to be having in public. How could we possibly glorify that after seeing the video of the kids fighting in Chicago.

ltsparky

September 30, 2009 - 11:00 pm EDT

It seems that TALK IS CHEAP and doesn't mean ANYTHING in this city. I have lived here for 50 YEARS and have seen it all, both the good and the bad. Let's see WHO REALLY has the BALLS to keep this CLOWN away from Greensboro. We have enough trouble here at home already. WHO NEEDS OR WANTS an "outsider" to come in and "STIR THE POT" and use the "excuse" that he is just an ARTIST WITH A MESSAGE?? Let's just see what happens now.........

pigsfly

October 1, 2009 - 12:24 am EDT

I hope that the contract will be broken and someone decent brings music that showcases what we want our society to be. Not bring about discord but camaraderie.I am not an Alumni of A&T, but I want the same for them as I would myself, and that is values,education and success!

JoeScott

October 1, 2009 - 6:03 am EDT

I suspect that if Gucci were performing at UNCG instead of A&T, the student government organizers would not be pressured to apologize in public, and at the first sign that the performance might be canceled by the administration, there would be student protests to protect Mane's first amendment rights.

So many people forget that A&T's homecoming is Greensboro's biggest cultural event of the fall and that it generates hundreds of thousands of dollars -- if not millions -- in revenue for our city. At the very least, people should give the organizers props for trying to host an event by a mainstream artist who did something culturally relevant for young people in the last two years, something no other entertainer who visits our city can say.

AirDoc

October 1, 2009 - 7:40 am EDT

Joe - while your facts may be correct to a point, they are extremely misleading. Requests for police and all types of additional security are rampant during the A&T homecoming weekend. This is far above and beyond such requests for other similar events anywhere else in Greensboro. The city pays out mega-bucks for all the additional police officers who must be brought in to handle the problems created by this event. The many eating establishments and hotels who should benefit from crowds of various types throughout the year, are forced to spend their revenue on protecting, maintaining, and cleaning up their establishments after the A&T crowds are long gone. Yes, this event brings in the money, but unfortunately a disproportionate percentage of it is must be given away to deal with the problems which accompany the event. It doesn't have to be that way, but it just is.

JoeScott

October 1, 2009 - 8:54 am EDT

AirDoc,

Where are figures, i.e. hard facts to back up such a claim? You speak on behalf of establishments. Do you own one?

I've never noticed establishments having problems with A&T homecoming. Otherwise, why would they leave messages like "Welcome A&T Students and Alumni" on their billboards and marquees across the city? It would be stupid to do this if the event cost them more money than they earned.

Doesn't matter what kind of event you have in the city, more attendees means more police and security. Even the fair as well as the upcoming AC/DC concert require added police and security. Because A&T's homecoming brings in the most people, they require the most security. And I'm willing to bet that they pay for a great deal (if not all) of the increased security and then also the police through the additional revenues gained through taxes.

CarolinaBorn

October 1, 2009 - 9:32 am EDT

I formely worked in a restaurant/bar in the greensboro area during homecoming for several years. From a managment point of view homecoming was a dreaded time of year. I speak for myself and for many other aquaintances in the same business.

Yes sales were up, but not more so than say ACC tournement, Golf Tournement, or any other "big event" in the Greensboro area. The difference is we had to up our security by as much as five times. Walk-outs on tabs, both food and alchohol were rampant, fights broke out and property was destroyed. Our staff was berated, harassed, and disrespected. I even had a coworker punched in the face. All this during homecoming weekend. These are not problems we had during other large events.

So sure the numbers were up, but so were expenses. We may have turned a better profit but there were much easier ways to do it.

NatTurner

October 1, 2009 - 12:44 pm EDT

I worked at a restaurant/ bar from 95 to 99 and at that time, Homecoming was a welcomed event. Walk outs may have increased, but that was proportional to the increased number of patrons. It was no different than any other busy night or “big event”. Also, in four years I never experienced the destruction or violence that you described. I hope that whoever assaulted your co-worker was punished to the full extent of the law.

bigwill

October 1, 2009 - 9:42 am EDT

JoeScott, its not rocket science nor is it hard to find facts to support AirDoc's statement. All you have to do is walk into a restaraunt or hotel on High Point Rd. and ask what happens during that week. It has been known for years about the problems that exist from this event. The sad thing is that it is usually not the students, but its the trash that comes in town that cause these problems. Don't be so ignorant next time about a well known issue. The problems that exist during that week are the same reason why Bike Week is no longer represented by the city of Myrtle Beach. It is very hard to even try to make this event seem positive in anyway.

AirDoc

October 1, 2009 - 11:00 am EDT

Thank you bigwill and CarolinaBorn for sharing your experiences with Joe. It's apparent you have experienced first-hand what I am referring to. Your examples are exactly what I have incurred countless times with this event. The crowds are welcome - the distasteful and illegal behavior is not. I'm guessing Joe has not been exposed to what we have.

AirDoc

October 1, 2009 - 10:53 am EDT

Joe - I am a business partner in three retail businesses in Greensboro and I have four relatives who work with the police department and numerous close friends who work for the city in various functions. My brother and one of my business partners each owns a private security business. That's the background for my comments. You seemed to be painting a totally rosey picture for all the revenue the homecomeing brought it - I was simply giving you and readers at this site something else to consider. And in my comments, note the manner in which I used the word "disproportionate". That was the jest of my comment - sorry if you missed it. I donate to and support several causes that directly and indirectly support homecoming activities. I don't have anything against our Aggies. I am simply privey to certain information that many others may not be.

Gemini

October 1, 2009 - 2:13 pm EDT

The city calls in every police officer for the Saturday of Homecoming plus some on Friday night. The cost for police alone (time and one half) is around $200,000.

AirDoc

October 1, 2009 - 7:27 am EDT

My hat is off to those who are trying to change this dumb mistake. Here's the deal - replace Gucci even if it means you take a dollar loss. For the next 10 days, offer refunds to those who have already purchased tickets. I'm betting there will be very few, if any, such requests. And for those who want a refund, you are probably better off not having them at your show anyway. Then, pursue disciplinary action against any A&T representative who had anything to do with Gucci's booking. Simple as that. And in the interim, don't pat anyone on the back for the debate that is going on. That should only happen after Gucci is gone. Let your heart and brain be your guide A&T. Do what's right.

Get A Clue

October 1, 2009 - 7:38 am EDT

Who is the moron who booked this concert to begin with? That's the person whose job should be on the line. If theyve signed a contract they'll have to honor it and at least pay the performer.
But seriously, what do you expect from a vapid, value-less style of music such as gangsta rap? The genre is morally indefensible. Period.

westronandnan@aol.com

October 1, 2009 - 7:48 am EDT

What's the basis for an "intellectual debate?"

It's either condoning the values of drug dealing and murder or taking the moral high ground.

What's there to debate about?

Laura

October 1, 2009 - 8:32 am EDT

I think it's a shame that students in a public university -- who are receiving the benefit of a publicly funded education -- criticize media or member of the administration for "airing dirty laundry in public." They don't seem to understand accountability to the greater community. Students and alumni need to understand that A&T is not a private, members-only club.

Tristar500

October 1, 2009 - 9:12 am EDT

It's NEVER too late to do the right thing. Even if the concert gets canceled altogether and they still have to pay the performers it's better then doing what is clearly wrong.

Calling this moronic gangster rapper and "artist" is shameful. The entire genre of music is deplorable and in my opinion only widens the gape between whites and blacks.

What kind of effect do you expect this kind of trash to have on a ten year old kid? Do you think it will lift their spirit and make them a better person? Will it help them make good decisions?

Rap "artists" are some of the nicest people, and really great role models. Every A&T graduate should be able to rise to the fine moral standards of Gucci Mane. Hey Maybe next year They can book someone who speaks out on the merits of raping children, and killing homeless people.

Get a clue A&T, you need to be doing better if you want any respect at all.

jsipe29

October 1, 2009 - 9:32 am EDT

The school talks about all the students that openly oppose this but what about the 6,000 plus that have already purchased tickets? I'll bet they will not cancel him since there is already a lot of money being spent. How did this happen to start with?

willijs8

October 1, 2009 - 9:34 am EDT

Can someone name "1" Rapper that has not rapped or said something that had to with drugs, gangs, alcohol, bad mouthing women. A&T didn't say anything when R. Kelley was here. Lil Wayne came many times, no issue arised. To make it clear, I can not stand Gucci Mane. However he is doing nothing worse than what other rappers have done. Drake has rapped about weed, Kanye has rapped about drinking and drugs, heck even common has had some questionable lyrics some would say about women, and I am a big fan of of all three of these guys. The problem is someone wants to look good by making a smaall issue bigger than it really is

REDDHOTT

October 1, 2009 - 10:14 am EDT

I agree w u Willis! These mo fo's just decided to jump on the band wagon cause they didnt have anything else to do today. Look at the big picture, all the profits dont go to A&T..... no one questions the money greensboro colisuem is making when they promote this and other controversal performers. It all comes down to this..............if u want to attend the concert then attend, if not then dont. We w b paying taxes for the rest of our life and we r not in control of where it goes, who allocates it and how its spent. Bottom line. Yes u have a voice for change but use it instead of waisting time online here. So get over your selfs and get a real day job! Its obvious ur spending a lot of ur employers time on line!

booBORO

October 1, 2009 - 10:29 am EDT

Will Smith doesn't rap about that junk. But no one listens to his stuff. I'm betting that Gucci comes and everyone does there thing as scheduled. I hate it that it's taking place on halloween because there will be a lot of people out just trying to have a good time. Now we have to stay away from downtown and prepare for the worst!

Joekillian

October 1, 2009 - 3:56 pm EDT

The quality of Will Smith's music can be debated, but it's just incorrect to say no one listens to it.

His last album, 2005's "Lost and Found," wasn't nearly as successful as some of his albums from earlier in the decade and it was still a #4 on Billboard's R&B album charts and sold more than a lot of the rappers we've been talking about here move in an entire career. "Big Willie Style" and "Willenium" from the late 90s were huge hits that spawned hit singles and won Grammies.

His release schedule has been a little infrequent in the last ten years, but he has been starring in giant blockbuster movies and winning Oscars most of that time.

Joekillian

October 1, 2009 - 10:51 am EDT

Willisjs8:

I'm working on a story for tomorrow that will address your question. One of the fascinating things about this what's happening here is that it's not that no students ever had anything to say about previous acts, some of whom have been gang affiliated and a number of whom have had lyrics about drug dealing and violence. It's that there was never enough of them who were willing to say anything about it that it ever mattered. Also, if you've been following the stories so far you will have read that part of the problem here is that A&T's current method of choosing artists means that by the time students find out who's coming to homecoming, contracts have already been signed. If there was a strong objection, it would already be too late. In the end it gets to that discussion that Chancellor Martin says he wants to have about whether it's enough that homecoming events sell tickets and make a lot of money or if they also need to reflect values the university endorses.

It's an open question, but this is what debate looks like.

In tomorrow's story we'll hear from a professor and hip-hop expert who addresses your assertion that nearly all rap contains these elements people find objectionable. It is manifestly false -- the list of popular artists who don't make music celebrating crack houses, street gangs and gun violence includes The Roots, De La Soul, Public Enemy, Common, and OutKast just to name a few. But more importantly many references to these things in rap music are in music with a political message or a narrative arc that makes it clear these things are blights on the community and terrible for those who choose that path (many songs by Tupac, Notorious B.I.G., Jay Z, BDP). Objecting to general boastfulness or materialism in rap is a different and lesser thing than objecting to artists who rap in a celebratory way about the merits of real-life drug dealing and their own personal real-life ties to street gangs. I am not joking or exaggerating when I say that if there is any message, political or otherwise, to Gucci Mane's music I can't discern it after many hours of listening to the music and watching videos. Not all music has to have a message, or a message that's positive -- but I think the fact that Gucci Mane's music doesn't have that asset in a sea of liabilities is what's driving the debate about him here.

Joe:

You and I know each other well enough for you to know I'm the ultimate first amendment advocate, especially at the college level. When I was a college student I never thought the administration not liking something was reason enough not to do something or have someone visit campus. I still don't.

But there's an important difference between abridging someone's First Amendment rights and expressing a concern that illegal and dangerous behavior by an artist and their art's celebration of violence, drug trafficking and membership in violent criminal street gangs doesn't jibe with the mission of your institution, so you'd rather not pay them money to perform at the your homecoming event. Deciding you don't want to pay a lot of money for someone to come to your campus is not the same thing as banning them from it.

Even the SGA members who were responsible for booking the act are now saying they handled it poorly and didn't have enough student discussion first, something Chancellor Martin seems to be echoing.

In my day the discussion was about whether certain political views by speakers like Angela Davis, Tristan Taormino or Mike Adams had any place on campus. My answer was always -- of course they do. Have everyone of all political positions come to campus, hear what they have to say, have a discussion. The first amendment doesn't just protect speech or art that you like.

But none of those people had people trying to shoot and kill them for their jewelry, on which other prominent people in their business had put a bounty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWoM5cRGDOA

None of them bragged about their affiliation with the Crips or Bloods, gangs with which the city is already contending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUN-R-9yzsQ

None of them celebrated shooting people for such reasons in real life or selling cocaine or crack.

It's not hard to see how all of these things would mean there needs to be a discussion about whether to bring the act to a homecoming event -- which I think is different than bringing them for any other event, in a way. Unfortunately that conversation is being had now, not before the act was signed. But I still think it's a fascinating story. No one I've spoken to on campus wants to prevent the art from existing or even prevent people from hearing it - many of them own Gucci Mane albums or listen to his music. Their argument seems to be that it has its place, but that place isn't the university's largest celebration at a time when they're welcoming back alumni and celebrating what's good about their school.

You are, by the way, the only person in the discussion so far on either side I've heard describe Gucci's music as culturally relevant. I guess that's a broad term and a potentially low bar, but I'd love to get together for a beer sometime and talk further about what you mean. Maybe tonight, when we come to the Ghostbusters showing at the Carousel?

JoeScott

October 1, 2009 - 12:05 pm EDT

Joe,

Johnny Cash and Waylon Jennings performed for and associated with known criminals all the time. Jennings was an ex-con and Cash sang about shooting a man in Reno, "just to watch him die."

I'm willing to bet that a great many of their fans were/are alcoholics or dangerous criminals and that many instances of domestic violence has been perpetrated by people who listen to their music constantly. Yet at the end of the day, most people in Greensboro would have no problem with either of these musicians playing in our city.

I don't see a single comment against rap music on this board that was not echoed about rock, folk, or country music when they were burgeoning genres.

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