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School police carry Tasers, told no one

Thursday, September 24, 2009
(Updated 11:32 am)

GREENSBORO — Police in Greensboro schools are armed with Tasers for the first time, but school officials were slow to find out.

Tony Scales, the school system’s safety administrator, only learned of the change Wednesday. No official notice from the city was given to Guilford County Schools or the Board of Education.

The issue of Tasers in schools has been a hot topic since the sheriff’s office began arming its school resource officers with them. The issue drew attention again last week when a school-assigned deputy used a Taser on a girl at Ragsdale High. The girl, 15, assaulted two school officials and the deputy, according to the sheriff’s office.

Police Chief Tim Bellamy said his department began arming officers with Tasers in 2007. He said he has always intended to arm all officers with the weapons, including officers assigned to schools.

Fifteen police officers are assigned to schools, with one more to be added at the alternative high school, SCALE Academy, when the contract with the school system is completed.

Bellamy understands the decision won’t be popular with everyone, but he said officers have guidelines for using Tasers. “We’ve had extensive training, and we have guidelines about who can and cannot be tased and in what situations,” he said.

Bellamy said that the school resource officers carry handguns and that any officer called to the school would also be armed with a Taser.

The school board is likely to debate the taser issue at its meeting tonight. Several board members, including Vice Chairman Amos Quick and Deena Hayes, have expressed concerns about officers armed with Tasers in schools.

After last week’s incident, Hayes said the school board might need to create a panel to review incidents involving school resource officers.

School board Chairman Alan Duncan said law enforcement agencies have the right to decide how to arm their officers.

Scales said none of the law enforcement agencies the school system contracts with are required or expected to inform the district when they change what the officers are equipped with.

“We don’t notify them when we qualify (officers) for their guns every year,” Bellamy said.

The only school resource officers not armed with Tasers work at Ferndale, Welborn and Penn-Griffin middle schools and the Pruette SCALE Academy in High Point. High Point school officers were equipped with Tasers for the first time this year as well.

 

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

 

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Norm*

September 24, 2009 - 6:10 am EDT

Let police officers choose the tools for their jobs. You won't find a more violent and uncivilized workplace than a public middle or high school. The SROs should make the decisions when it comes to behavior which is illegal and dangerous.

TerryT

September 24, 2009 - 6:46 am EDT

Shoot them with a 9mm then let the parents, Jesse, Al and the rest of the fools decide which consistently does the most harm. We live in shameful times.

cswise

September 24, 2009 - 7:47 am EDT

I agree with the previous comments. The Police Dept should make their own rules, not the school board. The school grounds are some of the most dangerous public places today. The officers are trained and would only use them when there are safety concerns for themselves, or other students.

question4u

September 24, 2009 - 8:17 am EDT

I agree with Norm .. Why should policemen have a different set of tools for their job in a school than they do in every other environment? Do parents protest when an officer with a gun on his/her belt walks next to their child in a restaurant or the mall or a ballgame? We need to teach our society responsibility for personal decisions. The only method to teach this lesson is to enforce accountability for good and bad decisions through our public school system because it has the broadest and most diverse reach into our communities. I believe the nightmare our nation faces economically and especially in the banking sector is largely a result of schools and parents failing to teach lessons of responsibility at an early age (or any age for that matter). Policemen with guns (and tasers) are not the problem. People who make poor decisions, such as assaulting a police officer, are the problem and should face the consequences of their personal decisions so that they will learn a lesson. When a student who assualted a police officer suffers harsh consequences, others who witness these consequences benefit from the tuition payment of the stupid. Later on in life, when a borrower fails to make the payments promised on debt, foreclosure of the property teaches everyone who witnesses the foreclosure a valuable lesson that benefits every person in this country. We can't afford laws and rules that are designed to protect the stupid. Instead, our citizenry needs to grow up and learn to live daily with the reasonable level of responsibility expected in any civilized society. Our school board should support this lesson (of real life) in our schools, not impede it.

AirDoc

September 24, 2009 - 5:02 pm EDT

Bravo - beautifully said! I couldn't agree with you more.

gboro84

September 24, 2009 - 8:15 am EDT

Another example of poor leadership on the part of Chief Bellamy. He knows that tasers are a hot topic in this community and he secretly sends his officers into schools, carrying tasers. This is the kind of leadership we need to rid ourselves of, and we can all start by throwing out every incumbent on the city council. We have a new city manager, we will have a new council, and soon we will have a new chief that possesses the kind of leadership skills this city needs to lift it up out of the hole it has been in for the last 5 years.

Panacea

September 24, 2009 - 8:31 am EDT

Nonsense. First of all, he wasn't sending in officers secretly, secondly it is up to law enforcement to decide how to arm its officers, thirdly he didn't arm officers with Tasers in defiance, but using his good judgment as a leader in law enforcement.

youdliketoknow

September 24, 2009 - 12:51 pm EDT

Poor leadership on the Chief's part? You must be one of those poor leaders in parenting! Why don't you go try to protect a high school and carry no protection and see how far you'd get. I'd guarantee you'd be one of the ones getting assaulted! People like you are the reason kids get away with the violent stuff they do these days and don't understand the concept of discipline and respect. Keep working on your parenting skills while the Chief keeps doing the job he's suppose to be doing!!

Newzerboy

September 24, 2009 - 8:40 am EDT

If this weren't my home school district I would laugh at the veiled concerns by these school board members. I can't understand why anyone would be concerned about a taser. Use last week's example. A young woman assaults two school officials and an officer. The officer used his less-than-lethal form of defense to control the situation. What would have happened if that officer did not have a taser? I'm sure the officer would have been very reluctant to use a gun, so how many others would have been assaulted before the situation ended? I wonder what these naysayer board members would have had the officer do? A taser is a tool in a toolbelt. The more tools you have, the more options you have in controlling a situation.

justified

September 24, 2009 - 8:48 am EDT

Civilization is not inherited; it has to be learned and earned by each generation anew; if the transmission should be interrupted for one century, civilization would die, and we should be savages again.

question4u

September 24, 2009 - 10:50 am EDT

Wow .. what you said is so absolutely true!

youngprofessional

September 24, 2009 - 8:53 am EDT

I wonder what it would be like to have a school board that focuses on education?

timflowers

September 24, 2009 - 10:16 am EDT

Is everyone overlooking the real issue here? Why do we need police officers in our schools to begin with? It wasn't too many years ago when all a school needed was a tough principal with a paddle. Yes, things have changed, but why? How have we as a society slid so far that schools can't maintain peace without a police presence?

Whether or not they have Taser's is insignificant to the greater problem.

rooster8786

September 24, 2009 - 10:52 am EDT

Finally someone who hits the nail on the head. The Guilford County Schools Administration is so concerned with teaching to the test, not teaching for the real world and educating students, being politically correct and avoiding ANY bad perceptions, and becoming defacto parents, that they lost sight of what schools are for: EDUCATING students and preparing them for the world. If little Johnny can't read and write, and shows NO interest in learning, leave him behind or send him to the "Optional School" as we called it back in the day. I remember when I was in the 7th grade (approximately 13) having a 16 year classmate and a principal who worked with students and when they didn't work with him, he got the paddle out.
If any member of the school board was being assaulted by some of the gangbanging thugs they've helped create I am sure they would appreciate the SRO being adequately equipped and having more than one option to quell the inmates.

Laura

September 24, 2009 - 2:52 pm EDT

Every school system across the country is dealing with these same issues, so don't blame Guilford County alone. Our whole society is getting sicker and more violent every year. I disagree that hitting kids is the answer -- those parents who were hit are the same ones who don't know how to be good parents. Personally, I think schools and classrooms are just too darn big and impersonal -- especially high schools.

tarheelgirlngboro

September 24, 2009 - 4:28 pm EDT

WRONG WRONG WRONG. The people who were "hit" are NOT the ones who don't know how to be good parents! Are you crazy? It's the parents who are having kids and living on welfare, sponging off of our society without any remorse or ambition to do better. Furthermore, my parents only spanked me a few times and I got a paddling when I was in the 1st grade....that was enough for me to know that choosing the "right way" was much easier and not to mention, alot less painful. Now as far as being a parent, do not question that. I am a very good parent. I am VERY involved in both of my kids lives, socially and academically. I have taught them that being spanked or paddled because of bad choices is the consequence they must go through at times. I wish they could paddle again in school. It would also help restore the respect WE had for our principals and the rest of the staff. Kids don't have any respect for anyone at the schools anymore....not even the SRO's carrying tasers.

countryboy

September 24, 2009 - 2:48 pm EDT

Schools are a microcosm of society...and the most violent offenders in society are in the 15 - 19 age demographic. You think they are going to play nice just because they are on campus? You do realize that your your innocent 14 year old daughter is sitting at the lunch table with a 20 year old thug who has spent time in prison. He is not inviting her to Sunday School. Campuses like Page, Grimsley and Ragsdale, just to name a few, that have elementary and middle schools nearby have a higher population during the school day than many cities in NC. The proper response would be to add more police with more tasers.

unbiased

September 24, 2009 - 10:47 am EDT

There are principals that stomp their feet and complain about their SROs for the sole purpose of getting them off campus. These principals will try to create enough pressure until the SRO's chain of command, in cowardly form, removes that SRO and replaces him with another. Why??? The SRO was busting his tail, gaining information on and charging the worst criminals on that campus each time they committed a significant crime. You might ask why the principal would have a problem with that. The school system has put pressure on the principals to keep students on campus at almost all costs, including safety. These principals get more money for their school by having more students enrolled, so there is a direct and enormous conflict of interest between principals and money with SROs and safety.

The school board and it's comically biased and politically motivated members have done the most part in creating this bizarro world atmosphere on school campuses. Their complaints about tasers are both literally ignorant and hypocritical based on the money/safety conflict. The school board wants the principals to keep every student possible on campus, so principals try to do that to keep their job. That makes principals alter student discipline reports, argue with SROs and pull all kinds of duplicitous moves to have the SRO removed, and even blatently break the law by hiding weapons and drugs from the SRO that were found on students. I know this to be true, and the school board wants to keep parents and citizens in the dark about it. Stomping feet and crying foul about tasers is only a ploy, because high-profile taser incidents cannot be covered up and will force principals to fully discipine students to the point of expulsion and loss of money. Taser incidents will also force the school board to acknowledge just how bad it is on school campuses, and that will ruin their agendas. Be prepared for overblown criticism of any taser incident involving GPD officers this school year, but know that it is all hypocritical BS.

Considering the above factors, why should Chief Bellamy give the school board a heads up so that they can prepare a coordinated PR stomp and cry session? These hypocritical clowns don't deserve the consideration, and they'll just have to deal with it.

ilvteaching

September 24, 2009 - 4:10 pm EDT

I have no idea where you work, but having worked in Guilford County Schools for almost 30 years, I have not know this to be the case. At most schools, the percentage of students causing the problems is relatively small.
At my high school, my principal brags about how many of the kids have been kicked out who do not need to be here. And our SRO is fantastic.
True, there is pressure from downtown to keep kids in school if possible, but never at the safety of other students. And our funding is based on our count at the end of 10 days. It never changes after that no matter how many kids come or go.

unbiased

September 24, 2009 - 5:57 pm EDT

That's great that you work for a principal with standards, I know there are more than several in Guilford County. I worked at three campuses with a principal that either played deceptive BS games with the SRO, tried to hide weapons and drugs, or flat out lied on discipline reports or had them altered in order to keep a student on campus. This is all from the last five years, and two of the principals are still working in Guilford County. It happens all the time, and it's not just a money issue. Principals feel the pressure from above to portray their schools as safer than they really are, in direct conflict with an SRO that is trying hard to clean up the place for the serious students. That needs to change, but it never will as long the wrong priorities are sent down from the school board.

ilvteaching

September 24, 2009 - 8:26 pm EDT

That has not been my experience at all.
"These principals get more money for their school by having more students enrolled, so there is a direct and enormous conflict of interest between principals and money with SROs and safety." - this statement is simply not true - the money is fixed at day 10. therefore, it makes me question the rest of your arguments.
But you are right, I am fortunate to work for a great principal.

unbiased

September 25, 2009 - 12:00 am EDT

These conflicts start from day one, so I don't see how that argument doesn't work, let alone the rest of them. I really don't care though if you don't trust what I have to say, because I know it to be true due to my own first hand experiences. It is a shame though that more people don't understand how backwards the priorities are in the GCS system.

ilvteaching

September 25, 2009 - 8:24 am EDT

Let's see . . .you are enough of an "insider" to "know" that principals alter discipline reports but don't know why your argument doesn't work?? Hmmm.
This is why . . .a principal doesn't not have the legal authority to kick any student out of school. All the principal can do is suspend the student for 10 days and recommend long term suspension. While the student is serving the 10 day suspension, both sides gather evidence and prepare their "case". At the end of the 10 days there is a heearing downtown and the principal's recommendation is either upheld or not.
So, if a student comes to school on the first day, and reports to homeroom, the student is officially enrolled. Let's say the kid never even goes to class, but leaves homeroom and beats the crap out of another student. The child is suspended for ten days. The hearing would be on day 11. That means the child is counted toward the money the school recieves. You can't kick a student out of school before day 11.
Your "direct and enormous conflict of interest between principals and money with SROs and safety" simply does not exist.

angie123

September 24, 2009 - 12:22 pm EDT

Someone previously mentioned that the School Board should focus on education - I wish that were true too. Some members have their own agendas - Deena Hayes views her position as being one to advocate for subcontracts to be awarded in certain ways. I've never heard her discuss educational issues.

justified

September 24, 2009 - 12:52 pm EDT

Mr. Flowers
How long do you think it would take this girls mother to get to school and threaten to stomp the principals ace.
If a principal or one of his or her staff even showed a student a paddle denna or amos would demand dismissal immediately.

honestcitizen

September 24, 2009 - 2:17 pm EDT

For once I'm going to agree with Chief Bellamy, If the problems are big enough to call police officers,
send them with the equipment to protect themselves.

stafford5465

September 24, 2009 - 2:38 pm EDT

Tasers kill. They have been used twice since the 4th of July. One death, one survivor. I don't like the odds. I would like for you to consider one question? If you had two teenage sons that got into a fight, would you use a taser to break them up. I would not. These teenagers are not adults. They deserve to live. Firing now and asking questions later not acceptable.

countryboy

September 24, 2009 - 2:54 pm EDT

Wrong Staffy....the taser manufacturer has won all 98 wrongful death lawsuits. That's 100%. In each case, the cause of death (according to a jury of your peers) was something else...in most cases, cocaine ingestion. Please get your facts straight prior to submitting a comment, and preferably not from the internet.

question4u

September 24, 2009 - 3:00 pm EDT

Stop twisting facts to promote your agenda stafford5465. Have you really researched this issue? An academic study by William Bozeman of Wake Forest University found that "of nearly 1,000 cases, 99.7 percent of those subjected to Taser use had mild injuries, such as scrapes and bruises, or none at all ... Only three subjects suffered injuries severe enough to need hospital admission. " In answer to your question, I would much prefer to have my child exposed to a Taser with less than a 0.3% death rate as opposed to being shot by a semi-automatic handgun. However, in any case, I consider it my child's responsibility to learn that assaulting a police officer will get him shot. If he gets shot, he has only himself to blame, not our brave lawmen who are protecting the other 99.9% of society with their extremely rare use of force.

Voice of Reason

September 25, 2009 - 7:14 am EDT

How strange it must feel to be wrong all of the time stafford5465. To actually believe TASERs have been used just twice in Guilford County since the 4th of July is comical. The truth is they are used daily, often several times a day. Either you ignore this fact and LIE to further your own misguided agenda, or you are one of the most ignorant people in this city, or both. You consistently lie or provide inaccurate statistics on this issue of TASERs and their safety. You seem to forget, you're much more likely to be killed by a criminal than by a TASER.

You say TASERs kill. They are often used to break up fights, whether downtown, in the ghetto, or in schools, especially when those fighting refuse to break it up. I personally know of an incident, since July 4th, where an individual was punched in the head, and died. 1 punch, dead. How would you like to tell some kid's parent their son or daughter is dead because the police didn't have the right tools to break up a fight quickly enough? The most popular new sport today is mixed martial arts. It is taught in schools like karate or judo. A good fighter could attack an officer and have them on the ground in trouble quickly- do you not think kids watch these fights? There are videos of thugs in prison practicing how to start a fight, luring detention officers close to break it up, then stabbing them with homemade knives. How would you like to get that close. See, you know NOTHING about law enforcement. You have no business deciding how police do their jobs. TASERs are an excellent tool, and will continue to be used.

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