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Allen Johnson: How not to be like Joe, Serena and Kanye

Sunday, September 20, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

 

As Rep. Joe Wilson, Kanye West, Serena Williams, et al., were hard at work in recent days mangling the cause of civil discourse, I got to thinking about our own struggles for reasonableness on the opinion pages.

For those of you who are familiar with the News & Record's Web site, the most consistently challenging issue has been comments on stories and letters.

Thus, we implemented a few new guidelines, including a 24-hour window for letters comments versus an unlimited one.

It was not a universally popular decision.

Some argued that the more objectionable commenters would either be ignored or shaken to their senses by peer pressure. But it rarely happens that way.

I have seen often the very opposite, when one or two people dominate a comment thread in a hard-edged game of tit-for-tat that can be both cruel and juvenile.

And I have heard from more than one reader who has thrown up his or her hands at the tenor of the discussion and simply decided, "No mas" -- that it wasn't worth all the bruises, scratches and indignities.

This is not a problem that's unique to the News & Record.

I hold regular conference calls with the opinion editors from our sister newspapers in Norfolk and Roanoke, Va. They're wrestling the same bear.

And refining their own policies in a search for more constructive conversations.

Wrote my counterpart in Roanoke, Dan Radmacher, in his column today: "When he was first hired by The Roanoke Times, retired Editorial Page Editor Tommy Denton said of the editorial and commentary pages, 'Here is where the bully pulpit and the soapbox become one, extending one of the finest and most enduring of this nation's traditions: the raucous harmony of a free people holding forth.'

"We hoped the blog could be a fascinating extension of that 'raucous harmony,' where people could disagree without being disagreeable and discuss ideas without getting personal.

"Alas, that has been difficult to achieve. Despite pretty strict policing, the comments lean far more towards raucous than anything resembling harmony."

I can feel Dan's pain. That's why we'll stay the course for a while, and see how our own new policy plays out.

Incidentally, my most recent conference call with my fellow editors also inspired me to do something they've done: offer some guidelines on what constitutes civil debate beyond the prohibitions of personal attacks and profanity -- and simply knowing it when we see it.

Some questions to consider when entering the online fray:

1. Is my comment relevant to the discussion?

2. Have I thought clearly about what I've just written before pressing the "submit" button?

3. Would I want my children reading the comment I'm about to post?

4. Would I mind my children posting such a comment?

5. Have I been a good "listener"? Have I given other comments a close enough read before rushing to rebut?

6. If I am not using my real name, would I say the same things in the same tone if I were revealing my identity?

7. If I were having this conversation in person, would I have used the same words in the same way?

Speaking of No. 7, some of you have suggested that an in-person meet-up of regular commenters might be worthwhile. Wrote "scharrison" in one comment two weeks ago: "We need to meet somewhere and come up with a plan to get our act together. It needs to be someplace with padded floors and walls, like a dojo maybe. And it needs to be real easy to find for those that are gifted, like right off Wendover or something."

Some of that message, obviously, was penned with tongue firmly in cheek. But enough commenters chimed in that I was convinced they were serious.

We have held a meeting of commenters and bloggers before, two years go, at a wine bar in Southside then called The Press. (My Landmark colleagues were amused that we chose a bar.) From what I recall, it went very well, attracting folks from as far as away as southern Virginia. And we were a cordial bunch, albeit 100 percent male.

We were surprised at who was whom, as we matched online names and "handles" with faces: brian444, skeetclub savage, Dave Ribar, Doug Johnson.

We answered questions about the blog and the newspaper. We got better acquainted. And we agreed to do it again.

Now seems as good a time as any, probably after the Nov. 3 election. I'll provide more details in the coming weeks.

In the meantime, stay tuned. Stay engaged.

And, remember , a thoughtful whisper often is better heard than a shout.

Comments

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Lakeshia

September 20, 2009 - 3:50 am EDT

Your website is as lame as your newspaper -

jbcarper

September 20, 2009 - 8:15 am EDT

Perhaps those who comment should be encouraged to use their real names instead of hiding behind a 'handle'. Handles, like masks at Halloween, allow people to make comments that they wouldn't have the social courage to make if their real identity were known. We are not faced with a police state that will come and jail you for an expressed opinion. Civility might just improve.

tledford

September 21, 2009 - 12:25 pm EDT

Agreed.

Tony Ledford

danagain

September 20, 2009 - 8:58 am EDT

As a long time participant on the LTTE blog I would say it has been substantially cleaned up. Remember your famous column "Slinging cyber mud", which listed dozens and dozens of personal insults and profanities from ONE blogger? We still have a few bad apples, one in particular who ironically launches personal attacks and then ends with "And have a nice day", but overall most of us can disagree in an agreeable fashion.

The 24 hour reply time took awhile to get used to, but there are so many letters everyday that spark debate, particularly on health care, that the content stays fresh.

Your idea of a meeting is excellent, please post on the LTTE blog if you decide to do it again and invite us.

truth

September 21, 2009 - 2:16 pm EDT

I'm not sure of this, but I think the subject of "Slinging cyber mud" was there all along as Molene Gunch. I always thought of her as Yvonne having a bad hair day.

rmacz

September 20, 2009 - 11:18 am EDT

I haven't seen too much out of place comments. Most of the Israeli sites are monitored before they are posted. Of course, this may take a few hours of time. I appreciate the Newpapers concern for this issue. I personally have a nick name that reflects my real name that anyone who knows me would know who I am. That's no big deal to me.

Get A Clue

September 20, 2009 - 1:33 pm EDT

Easy solution: require every poster to first sign in using real name, verifiable e-mail address and password. Then only post comments from said e-mail address along with that person's e-mail address so folks who feel so inclined as to go personal may do so off-screen. Anonimity rarely provides civil discussion. You don't allow "Letters to the editor" to be published without a real name, why should your online pages be any different?

left-wing conspiracy theorist

September 20, 2009 - 7:36 pm EDT

And your name is?

Sincerely,

Ken Laurent
how's this for an e-mail address:?

Get A Clue

September 21, 2009 - 11:05 am EDT

I'll be happy to comply when it becomes the N&R's stated policy. Until then, I'm happy to be permitted to remain anonymous. :-p

truth

September 21, 2009 - 2:23 pm EDT

One thing that would be helpful would be some notification when someone replied to one of my comments.

I've often seen it where someone responded to a comment seeking clarification and then 5 minutes later accuses the original commentator of being too stupid/lazy/ignorant to respond. Since some folks don't have time to check the comments every 2 minutes from 3 a.m. to midnight, it might give them a chance to reply.

Then again, that may just increase the back-and-forth slinging.

I'd almost be in favor of just allowing one comment on each letter per day. I'm guessing the first responders would hold off until the end of the day just to get the last word in.

Get A Clue

September 21, 2009 - 4:55 pm EDT

Start here: The only real reason newspaper websites began these comment options was to increase page hits and therefore increase advertisement revenue. No shame there; no business lasts that can't turn a profit.
Now balance page hits with comments which nullify the paper's standing in the community by coursening discourse and/or opening the paper up to litigation. That's a fine line. And lots of additional expense for a business model already on the ropes.
(Personally, I see no reason why internet news sites should be free. While I support that stance, I have bought maybe 5 newspapers in the past few years. So long as it's free I'm not going to pay for it.)
Anyway, back to a point I made earlier. Many news sites to which I subscribe insist upon a more formal registration process. Even if a poster is allowed to post under a fake name, they still have a legitimate website and address on file with the website. They don't accept yahoo/hotmail or other such 'free' e-mail sites without a home address/phone verification. One site has your onscreen name directly linked to your e-mail. That feature really seems to keep outlandish comments in check.
So at the end of the day the newspaper is simply attempting to increase profit while staying out of legal or morally questionable areas.
Best wishes as this site continues to strike the best balance possible.

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