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Taser use triggers call for review in schools

Friday, September 18, 2009
(Updated Saturday, September 19 - 12:08 am)

GREENSBORO — Some school board members are calling for closer scrutiny of police officers in schools after a deputy used a Taser on a 15-year-old student.

“I don’t feel comfortable at all with law enforcement policing themselves,” board member Deena Hayes said.

The incident happened at Ragsdale High on Wednesday. The deputy used the Taser on the girl after she threatened two faculty members and assaulted him when he tried to handcuff her, according to the Guilford County Sheriff’s office.

She is 5 feet, 4 inches tall and weighs 155 pounds.

The girl was unharmed and had a court appearance Thursday. Because she’s a minor, her identity and the results of the court hearing are not public.

Hayes said the sheriff’s office reported the deputy acted appropriately, but she thinks the school system needs a separate committee to review such incidents.

“I’d like to put in our own review of protocol,” Hayes said. “There’s just no guarantee this couldn’t have had a fatal outcome.”

Hayes is asking the review-committee proposal be added to the board’s meeting Sept. 24. She also wants to discuss using school resource officers equipped with Tasers.

The board will also likely discuss the issue Saturday during its fall retreat.

The school system employs 16 deputies, all of whom are equipped with Tasers. About half of the seven High Point police officers working in schools have Tasers.

They only began carrying them this year.

None of the 15 Greensboro police officers employed by the school system are equipped with Tasers, but a few have carried them in the past, said Tony Scales, the school system’s safety administrator.

Deputies have used Tasers at schools on four occasions in the past two years, including once at a Ragsdale football game.

“It’s a use of force that we’re going to continue to use,” said Capt. Phil Byrd, who supervises the deputies who work in schools. “It’s not deadly force.”

School board member Garth Hébert disagrees with Hayes.

“I think her belief that schools are inviolate is so off the mark,” Hebert said.

He said the incident at Ragsdale shows why officers need to have Tasers at schools.

“This was one of those compassionate uses of the device if ever there was one,” he said.

Police officers and Tasers have come up on several occasions at recent board meetings. The subject is a divisive one for the board.

School board Vice Chairman Amos Quick had asked the board to look closely at its use of officers as recently as this past summer.

Quick said several community leaders and others angered by the incident contacted him this week.

“Eyebrows are raised when a 15-year-old girl is Tasered, and I look forward to hearing the reason and rationale that someone thought that was necessary,” Quick said. 

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com 

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NightHawkDad

September 18, 2009 - 5:57 am EDT

Chairman Quick - Did you miss the part about the girl threatening two faculty members and assaulted a police officer? That sort of explains itself doesn't it?? Seems she may had been a tad out of control...

speakup2

September 18, 2009 - 6:41 am EDT

As long as the police use them sparingly I don't see the problem. If this girl was attacking people she deserved what happened. Also there is no Guarantee that you will not trip and break your neck while walking down the hall either. What a goofy statement. Personally I think that they should give them to teachers as well, maybe it would make these kids start behaving.

tiffani716

September 19, 2009 - 9:09 am EDT

I agree!!

Bang201

September 18, 2009 - 6:47 am EDT

Deena Hayes has got to go. The sheer arrogance is amazing. She appoints a self proclaimed gang leader to the school safety commitee and now thinks she should review police actions! Ms Hayes what training to do you have to understand law enforcement. School Board member Chris Cooke said "she would prefer the officer used pepper spray" I wonder if she would care what the officer used if she was one of the faculty the girl was trying to assault. As the parent of kids in GCS I appreciate the job SRO's do and I wish people with no knowledge would quick trying to judge their actions. Also if there are any candidates out there who are running against Ms Hayes I would love to volunteer for your campaign!

justis4all

September 18, 2009 - 1:53 pm EDT

I don't think it is arrogance on the part of Deena Hayes, it is IGNORANCE!!!!!!!!!!!

chloetd

September 18, 2009 - 7:00 am EDT

A 155 lb. female CAN inflict harm on an individual, whether a man or woman. This was apparently an out of control student who had no respect for authority. I imagine that if the officer had tackled her and handcuffed her, somebody would be crying that he used excessive force there also. Bottom line is that people need to start listening when law enforcement officers tell them what to do. If not, suffer the consequences. Our Country and Standards are quickly going down the drain and lack of discipline is at the top of the culprit list.

Panacea

September 18, 2009 - 11:15 am EDT

Agreed. Never underestimate the tenacity of females.

I worked in corrections for 3 years. The women were always worse than the men for violence. One officer told me she'd rather fight 10 men than 1 woman.

angie123

September 18, 2009 - 7:21 am EDT

Does Ms. Hayes not realize that the officers all carry weapons?

I agree with Mr. Hebert - no long lasting harm occurred to the student. I bet if you were to interview the faculty members they would be appreciative that the officer stepped in and stopped this out-of-control student.

question4u

September 18, 2009 - 7:44 am EDT

Isn't the Taser itself a compromise by law enforcement to avoid the use of guns? Just a few years ago, we didn't even have Tasers as the politically correct method of defense. Now there's a problem with the Taser itself. Does Ms. Hayes care about the other 99.9% of Guilford County Students and Staff and their safety? With nuts like her running the school board it's no wonder the younger generations are getting older but not growing up. If you assault a police officer, you should expect to get hurt if not shot. Where is the lesson of responsibility being taught in our society? Is there ever an age today where people in our country become responsible for their own decisions?

catherder

September 18, 2009 - 7:45 am EDT

I just left teaching middle school at one of the Ragsdal feeders. I did a stint in the judicial system before I began teaching middle school and I consider myself a pretty tough gal. There's a very good chance I once taught the 15 yo tazer-ette and I can tell you that after having broken up fights between 11 year old (girls & boys) of a variety of sizes, there were times when I definitely feared for the safety of my students and several times I felt more than in danger. I was once struck in the arm with such force by an 11 year old that it left a pretty large & deep bruise. Another time, a 13 year old 7th grader tore my shirt sleeve apart trying to get to another student he'd been fighting while I had him restrained....should I have let him go and let the kids "work it out?" Where's Deena to advocate for me or other staff members, employees, etc. or MOST importantly the by stander children who had nothing to do with the incident? In this particular case, one uninvolved by stander child was thrown into the white board and suffered a long bruise across her torso from the marker tray as the two boys attempted to get at one another...another by stander was pinned into a group of desks as the out of control boys went ballistic in the room. It took 4 adults to separate these two "children" who were fighting. Remember, this was middle school.

I would invite Ms. Hayes (who does have an excessive amount of experience in dealing with wayward children) and Mr. Quick to try and break up some of these fights that occur in our schools - fights that are often waged by "children" who have been gang members since they were in elementary school. "Now stop trying to kill each other & settle down, please." just doesn't get it. A child who refuses to acknowledge law enforcement, whose lack of respect for authority in general....how could anyone NOT see this type of action coming from wwwaaaayyyy on down the road?

eyesnot

September 18, 2009 - 7:57 am EDT

Let's go beyond the girl in question and focus only on the use of weapons in law enforcement. The tasar remains unchartered in short and long term effects on the human body. Small tears in the heart muscle have been found on numerous taser victims that later complicated and shortened lives. Nerve damage cannot be readily measured, but victims have all found issues with bodily control for some time afterwards. Regardless of who the victim is, the use of weapons are not ok simply because no visible and immediate signs of injury is apparent.
If given a choice between the now illegal choke hold of the 60's and the night sticks of forever, the taser may seem tame. If given the choice of handcuffing a 15 year old, 2 on 1, or shooting her with 20,000 volts of electricity, before you handcuff her pretty much explains the responsibility of the LE. It won't be long before someone dies unnecessarily, an officer loses their job and gets sued for everything they own and loses that too. I think we need to keep to conventional means of restraint that have proven effective.

chickenlittle02

September 18, 2009 - 11:07 am EDT

Thank you for your thoughtful response. The use of tasers IS uncharted territory and the school board is right to examine instances of its use.

Panacea

September 18, 2009 - 11:18 am EDT

What is your source for "tears in heart muscle that shortened lives" statement? I am not aware of any such claim in the medical literature on Tasers.

eyesnot

September 19, 2009 - 8:57 am EDT

RE: Heart Damage from Taser Use: There are 99,100 articles from various sources, including medical studies that reference Heart Damage from Taser use. The News Record has one other article about this device where a healthy 38 year old man was killed by the Taser. I had to assume those who read online know how to use search engines. Please use Search in Google or this newspaper and consider yourself totally foolish for questioning an obvious issue.

RE: 2 for 1. I was wrong. Witnesses state there were 4 people involved with restraining the girl.

Note: Taser is also responsible for many other forms of physical and mental damage. Again, Google returned over 300,000 articles from various sources siting these examples.

Correction. Tasers advertise 50,000 volts of electricity, but depending on the connection and location, usually deliver 1,500 watts. Should the probes connect too close to eyes, heart, kidney or sex organs, certain damages occur mostly from the violent contraction of muscle tissue nearby. True, the taser may not damage thru electricity, however, it's effects certainly do.

Voice of Reason

September 18, 2009 - 12:31 pm EDT

2 on 1?!? SRO's work alone last I checked. And in Jamestown!!! Not a whole lot of help in that area. That officer could be waiting quite a while. And like the above commenter said, where in the world is your evidence? I've done a fair amount of research myself and have never seen that. Clearly you don't have any idea what you are talking about.

You know, I recently spoke with some teachers at a high school in Guilford County about this exact subject, and they all said they wished they were allowed to carry TASERs as well. They know the deal, they know what's going on in schools. You don't eyesnot.

justis4all

September 18, 2009 - 2:03 pm EDT

You, eyesnot, are obviously not in Law Enforcement and have NO CLUE what you are talking about when it comes to methods of restraint. It is also obvious that you have never had to restrain adults and/or "children" when they are hell bent on hurting each other!

jeaniegnc

September 18, 2009 - 8:00 am EDT

Maybe Ms. Hayes and Mr. Quick would agree to be called and come immediately to the school when these incidents occur and allow them to work their magic on these "wayward children" without any assistance from the school officers. There is no better teacher than experience and maybe these two people who have no confidence in the judgement of the school officers should try their hand at resolving these situations without any assistance.

tuffi

September 18, 2009 - 8:23 am EDT

Any 155 lb individual can bring harm to others. I have seen people who are pepper sprayed....not a pretty sight. The student should be the one who is evaluated and it should be decided if she needs to stay in a regular school or sent to the special school for misfits. People who do not respect police authority need to be dealt with appropriately. I respect the police and appreciate the job they do to keep the rest of us safe. Do you think Ms Hayes and Mr Quick could get there quickly enough to restore order?! I think not.

amosquick

September 18, 2009 - 11:35 am EDT

The Good Lord has blessed me to be the Executive Director of six Salvation Army Boys & Girls Clubs in Greensboro who serve hundreds of children annually.

In that capacity, it would be very difficult to tear away from my duties here - ensuring that quality afterschool programming takes places for the many youth who attend our Clubs daily - to rush over to a school. But I would like to think that I am doing my part.

At any rate, your point is taken.

God bless.

oh good grief

September 18, 2009 - 12:13 pm EDT

Mr. Quick, I have always admired the Salvation Army and what it attempts to do. I ask the following question very sincerely.

Has the 15-year-old student in question "aged out" for enrollment in one of you Salvation Army Boys & Girls Clubs here in Greensboro? Do you believe that your Salvation Army program could be of benefit to her? Unless there would be a conflict of interest with your position on the School Board, is there any reason why you could not/would not look into the possibility of setting this girl on the straight and narrow through attendance in your program?

amosquick

September 18, 2009 - 2:39 pm EDT

The Salvation Army Boys & Girls Clubs of Greensboro are for youth ages 6 - 18, so she or any other youth would be able to enroll in our Clubs.

There are also two great Boys & Girls Club organizations in the city of High Point that may be closer to this student (or any others interested). The Salvation Army Boys & Girls Clubs of High Point, headed by Tonya Stevenson and The Boys & Girls Clubs of Greater High Point, headed by Clarissa Flowers. Any of us would be glad to discuss enrollment in our programs with any parent.

Thanks for the chance to "put in a plug."

God bless.

justis4all

September 18, 2009 - 2:06 pm EDT

In other words......I will continue to voice my opinion on matters that I have no first hand knowledge of.

funinthesun

September 18, 2009 - 8:28 am EDT

Does anyone realize that this female was almost 200 lbs? As a GCS Employee I can tell you that this was a large female who has acted out before but Dr. Rogers refuses to do anything about it. I encourage everyone to visit Ragsdale and see what she is trying to cover up. There have been NUMEROUS times the SRO has called for help at that school due to gang violence. Please someone call 2 wants to know or start your own inquiry. With the right administration, the students will begin to show respect as long as they know there are consequences for their actions.

record2009

September 19, 2009 - 12:41 am EDT

Maybe it is time for a new principal to be assigned to Ragsdale. Dr. Rogers may have served faithfully, but it is time for the administration to make some changes. I have heard that drug dogs are not allowed on campus. Is it out of fear of what will be found? To protect our children, there should be a comprehensive security plan which includes periodic drug searches by law enforcement. As long as the Ragsdale administration refuses to recognize that the climate has changed, there will be problems from assualts, disrepect of peers, teachers, and SROs. I believe that after hours checks should be made along with checks during the school day. This administration does not even enforce a tobacco free campus program. If they can't do the small enforcement programs, how can we expect them to address the bigger issues, i.e., illegal drugs etc. We have to keep in mind that it is this principal who hired an individual who was recently arrested for illegal drug activity. The administration has to pull their heads out of the sand and acknowledge that there are problems and confront them head on. Currently, the attitude is to keep quite and maybe no one will notice how badly this high school is managed. They may do some things right, but the Superintendent should consider if the safety/security of this school can be improved by changing administrators. I believe that it can. Parents should not have to put up with an administration which stonewalls them. The best tactic which I have observed is to refuse to address issues with groups of people, but meet with individuals so as not to be held accountable at a higher level. Before more serious issues abound, GCS should install a new management team in Ragsdale.

jbhere

September 18, 2009 - 9:33 am EDT

Mr Quicks comment should have read.... "Eyebrows are raised when a 15-year-old (African American) girl is tasered, and I look forward to hearing the reason and rationale that someone thought that was necessary". I can assure you that if my 17 year old, 160 pound caucasian son had communicated threats, assaulted an officer and was tasered, Mr. Quick would not raise an eyebrow...unless of course the ones being threatened by my son were African American.

amosquick

September 18, 2009 - 11:05 am EDT

The race of the student is not an issue. How can you ASSURE that I would not say anything if the student were caucasian? I have not determined or seen anywhere where this student's race has been disclosed.

When a student is tasered at a GCS school, it is always a concern for everyone involved. Period.

pharmagurl302

September 18, 2009 - 11:11 am EDT

The race of the child was not mentioned but I should have know that it was a black female. As history has it white men are afraid of black females anyway. Thank you Amos and Deana for standing up for all children black, white,latino and asian. There's no place in the school system for any weapons. The police belong on the streets not in our schools

jbhere

September 18, 2009 - 12:13 pm EDT

Pharmagurl302 : Unfortunately our schools have become "the streets" and that is why police have a place in our schools. And thanks for enlightening all of us - I didn't know that white men are afraid of black females. I would be interested to know what "history" you've been reading.

justis4all

September 18, 2009 - 2:11 pm EDT

pharmagurl302,
Do you have children in the public middle school or high school levels ??????? If not, well.

Beachwalk

September 18, 2009 - 10:01 am EDT

The problem is some people do not think there are consequences to their actions.And with the help of idiots like Deena Hayes they might be right. Deena Hayes is not setting a good example for our students.Students need to learn if I attack or assult a teacher, student or police officer I might be tased.

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