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Bicyclists in Rockingham draw complaints from residents

Thursday, September 17, 2009
(Updated 3:15 pm)

A growing number of bicyclists are flocking to Rockingham County, thanks to stepped-up marketing efforts in recent years.

But not everyone is welcoming them with open arms.

Some residents in Bethany have complained that bicyclists are often riding two or more abreast in groups of 25 to 30 bicycles, not allowing cars to pass, the Rockingham County Sheriff's Office said in a press release today.

"Residents consider them a road hazard and say the cyclist(s) ride slow, and on occasion others have been on the roads with rollerblades," according to the press release. "This is in obvious violation of traffic law."

The Bethany area borders Guilford County, which is the apparent direction the groups of cyclists are using to travel into Rockingham County, the sheriff's office said.

Sheriff Sam Page recently spoke to residents about their concerns.

Bicyclists have a legal right to use state-maintained roads and highways, but they are required to follow the rules of the road.

Cyclists can legally ride two or more abreast, although the sheriff's office is asking that they consider riding single file.

Page also contacted the N.C. Department of Transportation for help posting signs along the published bicycle routes.

He has also spoken to two Piedmont bicycle businesses and their sponsored bicycle clubs.

The increase in the number bicyclists comes after promotion efforts in the past three years by the Rockingham County Partnership for Economic & Tourism Development.

The group has also published a brochure with recommendations of certain routes, along with safe cycling tips. 

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GCS Parent

September 17, 2009 - 11:32 am EDT

I am curious why bicycles are not restricted to roads that have a lower posted speed. Like lower CC scooters and mopeds. They can't be driven on roads over 35mph. I respect the desire that cyclists have to ride the open roads. But I do not appreciate the very real danger they pose on a road without a shoulder. It's not just limited to Rockingham County. Northern Guilford county is a favotire route also. And, it always seems to be at rush hour. I have come around a blind curve on 55 mph Hwy 150 and come immediatley upon 2 abreast riders. Thankfully no one was behind me as I suddenly put on the brakes to keep from hitting them. Knowing that they are "legally allowed to be there" doesn't justify the danger they put themselves and others in.

lew16

September 17, 2009 - 4:21 pm EDT

I agree totally. I have come up on cars so many times on 150... and what people forget is that cars have to follow the rules of the road too, even if you are just passing a bike you still have to pass on dotted lines where there aren't curves and where there is plenty of visibility. On those curvy roads, it's not that the driver is wreckless, but if you are going 55-60 miles an hour and you come up on someone on a curve, it's hard to slow down in time to avoid hitting the bikers. I know in Rockingham county there aren't a lot of places to go bike riding. In fact, there are always people in Ruffin biking, but that particular group is usually pretty good about moving over and the cars know to look for them. I just think that it's dangerous to be on the roads at that speed, there's no way of knowing in advance before you come up on a biker, especially on curvy roads.

truth

September 17, 2009 - 11:40 am EDT

Amen, Amen, Amen.

If I was driving a car incapable of going over 10-20 mph, I'd be issued a citation. That's because it's dangerous. What's the diff?

GCS Parent

September 17, 2009 - 11:57 am EDT

Weren't bikes restricted from Bryan Blvd due to safety? And that road has a huge paved shoulder. County roads should be no different.

rooster8786

September 17, 2009 - 12:02 pm EDT

As someone who rides a bicycle, let me share my experiences in Rockingham County with drivers and residents. On separate occasions I have had dogs released from their leashes to chase me, drivers throw objects at me, usually beer cans, drivers pull up right behind me a blow their horns, and drivers and passengers get right beside me and yell. All of this is in an attempt to scare or intimidate me. I carry a cell phone now and simply dial *HP and report the vehicle. For all you drivers that know we're out there pedaling along, assume we're out there, slow down for 30 seconds, pass us and then fly along to where ever it is you're going. We're not that big of an inconvenience! And before you do something assinine to a bicyclist, ask yourself, this: "would I knowingly do this to a police officer in his car"? If the answer is yes, feel free to do it to us then. But if the answer is NO, and it probably is, then DON'T do it to the bicyclist. Share the road, we all have the right to be out there!

dixiehd

September 17, 2009 - 3:06 pm EDT

In response to "share the road". I have a hard time finding justification from a bicyclist who does not pay taxes, insurance, tags or registration on their 2 wheeled bicycle like I HAVE to do my vehicle. I drive a Dodge truck, live in Davidson Co. and there are no shoulders on the narrow roads where I live, yet I have to "share" constantly with bicycles that jut out 2 & 3 wide when they hear me coming or ride in the middle of my lane and hold up traffic 20 cars deep in 5 o'clock traffic - that is an accident waiting to happen. As a driver I have been harrassed, yelled at and been given the finger by those I have to "share" the road with because my big tax paying truck is in their way! They have roads designed for bicyclists, that is fine just stay off the roads that are NOT designed to "share" with multiple moving objects. Signs that say no or low shoulder should be a good indication if you are not aware, this covers about 80% of Northern Davidson Co. The hazard has become such a point of topic that no longer do we sit at the local diner and talk about the economy we talk about the bicyclists that we have to deal with on our little country back roads that were not designed to share in this way to begin with. By the way the argument only applies to bicycles, I drive a Motorcycle also and guess what? I have to pay the same fees as is required on my truck, so why shouldn't I complain?

Interested

September 17, 2009 - 3:21 pm EDT

Wow! All the unemployed should go to Davidson County if bike riders are a bigger issue than the economy.

cyclingfool

September 17, 2009 - 3:38 pm EDT

Hummm, I am an avid cyclist and guess what....I do pay taxes on the 3 vehicles I own. So I guess that gives me a right to ride my bicycle on the road...I am getting exercise and helping the healthcare system....what are you doing???

horselady09

September 17, 2009 - 5:35 pm EDT

To cyclingfool:
You may pay taxes on your vehicles, but you don't pay taxes on that bicycle,except when you bought it
. I too make the drive from Rockingham County to Guilford County everyday,and the cyclist are annoying on Hwy 150. If you must ride to get your exercise and help the healthcare system, do it after rush hours or on the weekend and STAY OFF the heavily traveled roads please. Watching for the deer is hazardous enough!!!!

bikecook

September 17, 2009 - 11:09 pm EDT

Those deer should pay taxes!

mattbrown1977

September 18, 2009 - 12:35 pm EDT

This is always the stupidest argument against allowing cyclists on the roads. "You don't pay taxes so you should not be allowed to ride". Well then this means you should not be allowed to drive your car in any state where you do not reside. Do you pay taxes in VA, or SC, or TN? Have you ever used their roads?

jeffreyhsykes

September 17, 2009 - 3:36 pm EDT

What Rooster says is unfortunately true. My cousin was nearly killed by a rude person on Tobaccoville Road in Forsyth County years ago because the person did not like my cousin riding on the road in front of him. He pulled in front of my cousin and slammed on the brakes. My cousin now lives in Atlanta where he bikes everyday to work downtown with zero issues.

I am very overweight and would love to bike more in Reidsville since it is so small, but the more I read about folks being hit while biking (the prof's at UNCG and Elon come to mind) the less I see it as a viable form of exercise.

Which is too bad because I have a nice bike but I only use it about twice a week to ride to the YMCA.

I could bike to work and 80 percent of my errands, but I am not willing to risk it.

As sustainability becomes more of an issue, we are going to need to start sharing the roads more with our cyclists friends.

jeffreyhsykes

September 17, 2009 - 12:03 pm EDT

I'm just curious as to how this is different from farm vehicles using our county highways at very low speed? Can't we all exercise some courtesy and patience? These rural roads are not highly traveled and it seems to me our county residents could be more hospitable to visitors to our community.

Interested

September 17, 2009 - 1:11 pm EDT

Well said. I've seen the issue discussed in other areas of the state and I'm still amazed that some motorists believe the road is theirs and theirs alone. I have friends who ride who have suffered through experiences similar to rooster's; the level of moronic behavior exhibited by some "adults" knows no lower bounds.

GCS Parent

September 17, 2009 - 1:22 pm EDT

This is different because farmers are not out for a recreational ride on their tractor. They utilize rural roads, not highways, to access one part of their farm from another as part of THEIR JOB. They only travel short distances (a couple miles at most) not long rides like bikes. I would expect even a tractor is faster than a bike at top speed on flat roads. And, many times I have seen farmers pull over and let traffic pass.

GSOCycle

September 17, 2009 - 1:41 pm EDT

It's not really different for some cyclists. I myself use my bicycle to commute to work. Every day. I even have studded tires for when there is ice on the roads. Tractor top end on the tractors I've encountered is some where less than my own. Fast enough that I don't try to pass but slow enough that if they get on the road behind me, that is where they stay and not because I trap them there. And I am NOT riding a go-fast bike like the club riders usually do. Now I would pull over to let faster traffic through if they would be trapped for more than a few seconds but as a lone cyclist, that never happens.

Interested

September 17, 2009 - 1:58 pm EDT

I don't really see where it matters if the roadway is being used for work or pleasure. The roads exist for us all to use, whatever our reason may be. And in all honesty, I don't ever remember travelling behind a cyclist for more than one or two tenths of a mile. I have, on the other hand, been behind a farmer for much longer distances.

horselady09

September 17, 2009 - 5:40 pm EDT

It does make a difference.

Illiterati

September 17, 2009 - 7:41 pm EDT

Good point, Mr. Sykes. Our county is FINALLY getting people who actually WANT to come for a visit, however brief. Many of the bikes these folks are riding are worth more than the old truck in my driveway, and these riders will probably want to stop along the way for lunch or at least Gatorade. Some might find they enjoy their time in Rockingham County so much that they'll even buy property and increase our tax base and maybe decrease the average age of our aging workforce!

It's very short-sighted on the part of Sam Page and our other naysaying neighbors to discourage some much-needed positive attention in our county. Cyclists as a demographic have a fair amount of expendable cash that I welcome them to spend here!

Cyclists, while you're in Rockingham County, be sure to enjoy Madison's wonderful and friendly coffeehouse right downtown! (I don't own it, but I live here and welcome any and all cyclists and other friendly visitors.)

bikecook

September 17, 2009 - 11:19 pm EDT

I will gladly share a coffee with you sir.
But, this country needs to stop thinking about having a good time, and getting exercise. If getting to those forms of leisure involve you getting on a road, then stay at home. Get a stationary bike, or take up farming. Farming tends to get a pass for taking up to road.

Next time I'm training on my road bike in Rockingham Co., I'm going to get a tractor to create a slipstream for me, and then no one could pass me even if I was on the white line, but it would be ok, because I would have my trusty tractor friend making a hole for me, and he gets a pass. Of course, I would actually have to bike slower, but that's fine. I would also need to go make donations, and spend money at McDonalds while I was out to compensate for my freeloading, hippy, bike-riding, vindictive nature.

mrcleanswife

September 17, 2009 - 12:51 pm EDT

I think it's a danger for them to be on the road. I think they should go to the park or on riding trails. I know, I know, you have the right to be out there. BUT! there have been many people hurt riding there bikes up and down the road because people are not watching out. And one more thing why can't the bike riders be nice to the car drivers? You see us coming in your little mirror but yet you decide to move over in front of us??? Personally for the saftey of the bike riders and car riders I feel that you should only be allowed to rides trails and in parks. I am sure there are many other people that feel the same as I do. Maybe there should be some kind of bike insurance that is required to have before you ride on roads. I think it's crazy getting out on busy roads and streets on a bike your just signing your Death Certificate!!

horselady09

September 17, 2009 - 5:46 pm EDT

Good idea mrcleanswife! Bike insurance! that may be the answer, the park and trails is another good idea. yet another idea is a stay-n-place rack,to hold the back tire off the ground, that way they can get in their own driveway, yard or inside and not be a danger to anyone, except maybe theirself, they won't have to wear those tight speed-oohhhssss

Interested

September 17, 2009 - 5:56 pm EDT

Do they have stay-n-place racks for horses to? I encounter people on horseback as well as on bicycles.

The mechanic

September 18, 2009 - 12:20 pm EDT

Can someone enlighten me on the reasoning behind wanting cyclist insurance? I read the comment about the college kid’s car getting totaled from an incident with a bike, but how did it total the car? Was the car valued less than the price of a replacement wind shield? I don’t know the details, but what happened? Did the crash occur out on a country road or was it in the city? Was the cyclist one of the colorful, spandex clad roadies or was it another college kid commuting to school? There is a difference in behavior between serious riders and folks that just occasionally hop on a bike. A lot of riders that cause issues with traffic are not what I consider cyclist. Most people that ride around in street clothes, without a helmet on a Kmart cruiser usually don’t heed, know or pay attention to the rules of the road. And that is irresponsible. Everyone that travels in public (walk, bike, skate, drive or po-go stick) have a responsibility to learn the rules and laws and obey them. If they don’t, they are contributing to the problems.
OK, back to the issue of the wreck: If the cyclist caused a secondary crash that created all the damage (and especially if the police support the cyclist as the cause) then you should be compensated. His (her?) home owners insurance may cover this, but I’m not a lawyer. True, you may have to sue and all that head ache, but unfortunately, that is how our society has become. No one owns up to their responsibilities anymore. And I think that is sad.
Have you been involved with a car vs car insurance fiasco lately? Good luck on that one. At the very best, you are going to lose time and money. So I see your situation as being little different from a normal car wreck. And isn’t everyone that has a car required to have “uninsured drivers” insurance? I’m not trying to shift blame with this comment, so don’t take it the wrong way. I see that as an un-necessary insurance fee, too. Upstanding people should make good on their responsibilities, insured or not. That speaks more to the individual’s attitude than to laws requiring insurance. Consider why un-insured motorist insurance exists… That is an immensely larger problem than bikes having insurance. Do you think that there are more irresponsible cyclist on the roads than there are un-insured motorist? And consider how much more damage can be done by a car or truck than by a 150lb biker on a 20lb bike traveling at 20mph. The difference is laughable. I can produce some kinetic energy transfer calculations to prove this, but it should be obvious. I’m not trying to rag on you about this; it’s just how the insurance situation has developed.
I honestly hope that you and the bike rider can come to an agreeable end to this situation. Best of luck to you and your son.

And on the "speed-oooohs" comment, see my post to Swiz's comment on that.
Are you more of the "english" type rider that prances around in skin tight knickers while sipping wine and discussing the gracefull manner your horse dances through the cavileties?
Or do you have issues with the bikers that stay off the roads and "spook" your poor horse that you're riding on a bike path?
Don't be hatin' because your skin tight jeans don't look as good when you're bouncing around on horse back. OK, I conseed that was scarcastic, but I hope also humourous.
I to, have owned horses most of my life and both my sisters compete in performance events, but neither of them have issues with cyclist or "speed-oohhs". Don't be hatin' because your skin tight jeans don't look as good when you're bouncing around on horse back.
And on the public path issue, specifically at Salem lake: Cyclist don't leave huge mounds of horse poop in the middle of the road. Do you stop and clean up after yourself? Just asking...

BigE42058

September 17, 2009 - 1:01 pm EDT

To Rooster8786: If only it was just a matter of slowing down for 30 seconds. I have been stuck behind large groups of bicyclists that ride 3,4 and 5 across on more than 1 occasion, and these people show no consideration for the vehicles they are slowing down. They make no effort to merge into a single line when a car approaches so that the faster vehicle can do the posted speed limit and pass safely. Some of us have places to go such as work, school, church, childrens activities, etc. Unfortunately, we all don`t have the time to enjoy a nice ride in the country. Don`t blame the drivers for being upset either. More than once I have been yelled at or " flipped off " by bicyclists that I had waited for and passed safely. Unfortunately, it will most likely take a tragic accident or an act of road rage to really get people to take notice. I frankly can`t believe that this is the first article I have seen about what is obviously a serious and growing problem.

GSOCycle

September 17, 2009 - 1:33 pm EDT

It is far better for large groups of cyclists to bunch up three wide then to stretch out single file on country roads. If they are strung out it takes three times as long to get around them as when bunched. The roads are too narrow for lane sharing so the overtaking vehicle needs to change lanes regardless of how many abreast the cyclists are riding.

Now getting "flipped off" by cyclists you ostensibly passed safely probably means you didn't actually pass them safely. This state requires a minimum of two feet clearance when passing, that's measured from the most outlying part of the vehicle to the most outlying part of the other vehicle which on a bicycle is often the cyclist themselves. Bear in mind, NC is behind most states in their passing requirements, most states require three feet. That said, even passing at three feet, if the speed differential is great enough, is not enough space, particularly with vehicles with non-aerodynamic front ends. All vehicles have a bow wake in the air and blocky vehicles are particularly bad in this case. When overtaking, where you are required by law to exercise due care to pass safely regardless of the actual passing margin, you should either slow down to minimize bow wake or change lanes completely.

DexterG

September 17, 2009 - 1:18 pm EDT

It all comes down to courtesy on BOTH sides. I am a cyclist and I know some who get on their high horse of "I have a right to be here". They ride in the middle of the road and make no effort to be courteous to cars.

I grew up in the country and any tractor owner with half a brain knows that on the road he is most vulnerable on curves and just after he goes over a hill. If they don't pull over to the shoulder as they come up on these road hazards, they are at least on edge, alert and ready to do so in an instant. People die from these accidents. The smartest tractor drivers pull off the road when they see a line of cars behind them also because they know that as the line gets longer, they are encouraging risky passing behavior, which can also get them killed.

Cyclists who do not exercise the same caution are idiots.

I hate to say it, but I believe some of my fellow cyclists are to blame for this problem. A few idiots give all of us a bad reputation. "Share the Road" includes cyclists too. Be smart. Be courteous. Motorists outnumber us. Go out of your way to be courteous to them and you will gradually change people's perceptions of cyclists. (I have actually had people roll down their windows and say "thank you" when I am courteous to them.) Likewise, every stupid, cocky, self-surving thing you do reflects poorly on all of us too. (And nearly get us all killed.)

GCS Parent

September 17, 2009 - 1:25 pm EDT

Thank you! Well said! As with all discussions, both sides have merrit and blame.

eduguytoo

September 17, 2009 - 2:01 pm EDT

Wonderfully stated. As a resident of one of the rural Guilford County areas, I cringe when I come upon large groups of cyclists riding in clusters six abreast. I enjoy road cycling myself, and my younger son is quite involved in the sport. I drive my car reasonably, and I generally have the patience to wait for the opportunity to pass safely. But I know that many people are not so inclined. In the end, a 150 lb. cyclist on a 20 pound bike isn't much of a match against a 150 lb. driver of a 3,000 pound automobile. To cyclists: just exercise common sense and courtesy especially on 55 mph roads in a curvy configuration where cars are likely to come upon you from behind very quickly. To car drivers: bicycle riders do have a right to use the roads...that's the law. There may be some cyclists who will unwisely ride several abreast, but don't lump them in with those who don't. I want my 16-year-old to come back from his solo rides alive.

kvegasrocks

September 17, 2009 - 2:07 pm EDT

DexterG, well said. Both sides do need to courteous. I want to share the road until I come across a group of bikers riding 3 wide and could care less if I have to ride behind them for several minutes at their speed. I want to share the road but I also have to get to my destination. I'm usuallly not traveling in my automobile on a pleasure cruise. The real solution is to have our roads to include bike lanes to allow bikers safe access to roads and at the same time minimize the risk.

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