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White supremacists, protesters stick to different parts of the city

Sunday, August 30, 2009
(Updated 7:22 pm)

GREENSBORO — The white-supremacist National Socialist Movement held a daylong business meeting Saturday in a location kept secret from counter-demonstrators who decried the movement’s racist ideology in a largely peaceful gathering downtown.

The movement’s “regional conference” occurred at a hotel in western Greensboro. The News & Record is not identifying the location at the request of city police, who fear violence if the group’s more aggressive foes learn where its members are staying through this morning.

“It went as well as could be expected,” said Capt. Janice Rogers,  noting that police successfully kept the two sides apart while closely shadowing both events.

By mid-afternoon, about 200 anti-NSM demonstrators crowded onto the corner of McGee and South Elm streets.  The college students, senior citizens and families with small children said they wanted to show the neo-Nazi group that they are not welcome in Greensboro.

“My mother is a Holocaust survivor,” said Arieh Salzman, 60.  “Because of what these neo-Nazis believe, because of that hatred, I never had grandparents and my mother, who was in a concentration camp for four years, did not have a childhood.”

Salzman and a small group of friends wore homemade T-shirts with slogans like “Remember Nuremberg” and small rainbow ribbons provided by Temple Emanuel.  Salzman said he knew some people who opposed Saturday’s neo-Nazi gathering but didn’t want to come out to a protest, didn’t want to make a fuss.

“We don’t believe in staying home,” Salzman said. “The reason the Nazis rose to power in 1939 is because people stayed home.”

The National Socialist Movement drew 50 to 70  people for a meeting ostensibly to train members from Pennsylvania to Florida  in recruiting and other growth tactics.

“It’s just going to be a closed-door meeting, members only, just kind of going over tactics and what we want to accomplish on the East Coast,” said Steven Boswell,  a Missouri  resident who described himself as the leader of the group’s “SS, that’s for security services.”

The Detroit-based  group is estimated to have only a few hundred members but still qualifies as the nation’s largest neo-Nazi organization, said Marilyn Mayo, director of the Anti-Defamation League’s center on extremism.

NSM is one of the more flamboyant of such groups and has its highest membership in the Midwest, Mayo said. The Southeast is its second-strongest bastion, but a recent Anti-Defamation report counted only 58  known members across the region.

“These guys are really out there,” said Mayo, whose group fights anti-Semitism and other bigotry. “When you see them at a rally, you’re going to see people who proudly display the Nazi swastika.”

Though small, the National Socialist Movement is like a number of other white-supremacy or white-separatist groups that are trying to attract new members from people who avoided extremist groups in the past but now are perturbed by the election of the nation’s first African American president, the economic downturn and such issues as illegal immigration, Mayo said.

The hallways of the Greensboro hotel presented a strange scene Saturday as NSM members milled about, some clad all in black, some with shaved heads, many wearing T-shirts, jewelry or tattoos displaying Nazi symbols.

One man had a swastika tattooed into the back of his shaven head. T-shirts bore such messages as “White Pride World Wide.”

Meanwhile, the hotel staff served its more usual multiracial clientele of airline crews, end-of-summer vacationers and other travelers, some of whom looked  askance at the NSM members before continuing about their business without comment.

A strong police presence was evident, with plain-clothes officers deployed inside the hotel and patrolling outside.

Downtown later in the day, the mostly white crowd was made up of college students and older Greensboro residents who said they simply wanted to make sure the group knew just how strong an opposition they face in the Gate City.

Some of the protesters were from organized groups like the Revolutionary Communist Party  and the Equality Coalition of North Carolina.  Local City Council candidate Jorge Cornell  was on hand flanked by members of his Almighty Latin King and Queen Nation group.

Political literature was handed out as speakers on a megaphone talked about racism, the health care debate and police brutality.

“In Greensboro We Sit-In, Stand-Up and Speak Out Against Hate,” read one of the protest signs, referencing the Civil Rights-era sit-ins at a whites-only lunch counter just blocks from the protest.

But with some signs like “I Love Dead Nazis” and “Die Racist Scum,” some in the crowd predicted a confrontation should any neo-Nazis show up. They were proven right when two men wearing Nazi garb rolled past the protest in their car.

Police said the men got into a heated back-and-forth with protesters that led to one of the protesters denting their car door. Dozens of protesters chased after the car as it sped away. The two men called the police after leaving the scene to file a complaint, but no arrests were made.

Rogers said the two may have been Nazi sympathizers, but they were not National Socialist Movement members.

The manager of the hotel where the group met Saturday said the group had not fully disclosed its political focus or plans when it booked rooms and meeting space with the hotel chain’s groups and tours division.

He learned that on his own “by researching the name,” he said.

But the hotel could not refuse to accommodate the group simply because of its extreme political views, he said.

The hotel has a racially diverse staff including African Americans and Hispanics. Management spoke to them about the National Socialist Movement to “educate them about the group,” he said.

The business meeting lasted from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m. in the hotel’s meeting room with several breaks. A two-hour “meet and greet,” including a speech by the group’s leader, Jeff Schoep , followed.

Staff photographer Nelson Kepley contributed to this report.

Contact Taft Wireback at 373-7100 or taft.wireback@news-record.com

Contact Joe Killian at 373-7023 or joe.killian@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

Nelson Kepley

Photo Caption: Rebecca Meder of Greensboro listens to the speakers Saturday during a rally to protest a visit by the National Socialist Movement. The white-supremacy group held a meeting at a hotel in Greensboro on Saturday.

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holland4

August 30, 2009 - 9:13 am EDT

Where was the other rally held to protest against the Revolutionary Communist Party?

Wiley

August 30, 2009 - 7:02 pm EDT

I wish I knew, sometimes they piss me off as much as the Nazis.

merric32

August 30, 2009 - 8:55 pm EDT

Comparing the Revolution Communist Party to the Neo-Nazi's may be tempting to some who do not truly understand the impact of racial hate in this country. Do you really understand what it is to be beaten because of your color, to have ancestors who were enslaved and looked at as not even being on the same level as a dog? Do you know what it is like to have parents and grandparents who were hosed down, burned, beaten, killed, and,even done so to children, because they were marching for their freedom to be treated as a human being? You don't know these things, or you would understand both intellectually and spiritually that the Neo-Nazi group is way worse. There are a variety of difference opinions and ways of thought and living; but, in our supposedly civilized and "educated" society, groups like the Neo-Nazi's and their beliefs goes against all of these things in the most horrific and ignorant sense. I may not like communism and disagree with it, but I am morally, spiritually, intellectually, and being a real human being; against the way of life from the Neo Nazi's that has been responsible for the deaths of Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and many other minorities and those who are not "white" and not have those same beliefs. What can you say about your life? What does comparing those two groups say about you? What does this say about Greensboro? The city should always be for diversity, but with its horrific past with the Neo Nazi's and the shootings, and the city going through so much pain and trouble to resolve this incident, what can Greensboro do beyond this...the city can have all the diversity as it wants...but sometimes one incident of hate can overshadow the good....it is not fair, but it is reality. Greensboro should be very careful in this age of great racial and general diversity...especially when the minorities are becoming and have become the majority. Cities need to watch what they do in this new 21st century...either get with it, or be left behind.

Wiley

August 30, 2009 - 9:44 pm EDT

From what I've read of their Maoist-Leninist beliefs I would say in my opinion that they are a borderline hate group. Mao decimated the nation of Tibet and nearly destroyed China in the glorious "cultural revolution" something the PRC doesn't seem to mind, I would also say they seem to embrace the dictatorship/terrorism of the people from Lenin's school of thought. Who killed more Hitler or Lenin and Mao? and who do you glorify? Both Lenin and Mao were racists who terrorized their specific nations just like Hitler.

You and the PRC can also go f*** yourself for Hijacking every protest/demonstration you can find, talking a lot of crap that 90% of people at them don't agree and scaring away people who would normally be down with hating on Nazis.
You successfully radicalized what should have been a very mainstream event! I hope you feel accomplished!

White

August 31, 2009 - 4:29 pm EDT

I have not been beaten because I'm White, but a good friend of mine who is White was beaten by Negroes so bad he was bleeding out of his ears. The reason they beat him is because of his color - White. We were in the US Marines at the time, and the White officers did nothing about it because they were afraid they'd be charged with racism and that would hurt their careers.

The fact that the Communists hate the Nazis so much is a plus for the Nazis. If you realize that the Communists murdered many more people than the Nazis are charged with killing (personally I don't believe all the charges against the Nazis regarding the "holocaust" etc. And it's hard to get a reliable reading on it when you can be put in prison for questioning the official holocaust story in Germany and many other countries in Europe. Also, the holocaust story changes and has too many holes in it. For example, when I was a kid we were taught the Nazis were so cold and evil that they made soap from dead Jews but now even Jewish groups say that is not true.) and you realize how the Communists deal with free speech as when they slaughtered many people in Communist China during the Tiananmen Square uprising in 1989, it makes you wonder why the US and UK allied themselves with such butchers during WWII.

merric32

August 30, 2009 - 8:56 pm EDT

Comparing the Revolution Communist Party to the Neo-Nazi's may be tempting to some who do not truly understand the impact of racial hate in this country. Do you really understand what it is to be beaten because of your color, to have ancestors who were enslaved and looked at as not even being on the same level as a dog? Do you know what it is like to have parents and grandparents who were hosed down, burned, beaten, killed, and,even done so to children, because they were marching for their freedom to be treated as a human being? You don't know these things, or you would understand both intellectually and spiritually that the Neo-Nazi group is way worse. There are a variety of difference opinions and ways of thought and living; but, in our supposedly civilized and "educated" society, groups like the Neo-Nazi's and their beliefs goes against all of these things in the most horrific and ignorant sense. I may not like communism and disagree with it, but I am morally, spiritually, intellectually, and being a real human being; against the way of life from the Neo Nazi's that has been responsible for the deaths of Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and many other minorities and those who are not "white" and not have those same beliefs. What can you say about your life? What does comparing those two groups say about you? What does this say about Greensboro? The city should always be for diversity, but with its horrific past with the Neo Nazi's and the shootings, and the city going through so much pain and trouble to resolve this incident, what can Greensboro do beyond this...the city can have all the diversity as it wants...but sometimes one incident of hate can overshadow the good....it is not fair, but it is reality. Greensboro should be very careful in this age of great racial and general diversity...especially when the minorities are becoming and have become the majority. Cities need to watch what they do in this new 21st century...either get with it, or be left behind.

Bang201

August 30, 2009 - 10:10 am EDT

Well done by the Greensboro Police Department! Thank you!

holland4

August 30, 2009 - 10:32 am EDT

I'll second that. Bravo!

greywolf

August 30, 2009 - 12:39 pm EDT

And just how does one go about 'educating' a hotel staff about this group? Do we say... "Yeah, we're hosting a bunch of scum-sucking psychopaths who ought to be committed to an insane asylum, but because we're a land of the free and a home of the brave we also have to tolerate these complete idiots, as if they were normal human beings"

The FNP

August 30, 2009 - 12:58 pm EDT

" . . . . so just don't let anyone, especially the cops, _catch you_ spitting in their food, pouring itching powder between their sheets, or otherwise subtly encouraging them to never darken our doorway again."

greywolf

August 30, 2009 - 11:03 pm EDT

*LOL* I like it!

1488 forever

August 30, 2009 - 10:18 pm EDT

It was a peaceful buisness meeting and we enjoyed the hospitality of the very diverse stafff. Even the loca restuarants were nice and courtesy. We will continue to meet, rally and protest and we will continue to do so in a peaceful and legal manner. "We must secure the existence of our race and a futre for white children" 14/88

Mialamasoul

September 2, 2009 - 9:23 am EDT

YIKES!! Don't you realize mister, or miss that whites already have, and have always had everything? What the hell are you trying to protect? And your white children live in a world that is increasingly brown. What are you teaching them to do and what kind of people are you teaching them to be with your information? I think your race will self immolate one day for the hatefulness you keep breeding.

Get Real

September 5, 2009 - 7:09 pm EDT

Stay out of Greensboro.

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