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Environmental activists, Energy Citizens face off

Friday, August 21, 2009
(Updated 9:19 am)

GREENSBORO — Motorists honked in support as more than 50 clean-energy proponents waved signs at the corner of Patterson Court and High Point Road on Thursday, hoping to temper opposition to proposed federal carbon-emissions legislation.

But inside the Greensboro Coliseum, about 300 North Carolinians attending an Energy Citizens rally chanted “Just say no!” to a cap-and-trade bill they expect will raise energy prices and spur massive job losses.

“We prefer the carrot rather than the stick,” said Larry Wooten, president of the N.C. Farm Bureau. “We would prefer Congress look at incentive-based legislation to help move this forward.”

The rally was one of 19 to be held across the country during the congressional recess by Energy Citizens, a new group backed by the American Petroleum Institute and other organizations that oppose the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009.

The legislation, which narrowly passed the U.S. House in June, would set a limit on greenhouse gas emissions and require many companies to buy emission permits.

The legislation would also require utilities to supply 20 percent of their demand from efficiency savings and renewable energy by 2039.

The bill would use revenues from the permits to offset higher energy prices paid by low-income households. U.S. senators plan to debate their version of the bill at the end of September.

Neither Sen. Kay Hagan nor Sen. Richard Burr attended the rally, but U.S. Rep. Howard Coble, a Greensboro Republican who voted against the bill, told attendees he would send their message to Washington.

“I think it will open the floodgate to additional taxes,” Coble said about the bill. “We need to address climate change but I don’t think we need to be the only country addressing it.”

Randy Dellinger, owner of a biodiesel refinery in Caldwell County, said the United States should not rely on other countries’ actions.

“We should be leaders in the world and not followers,” said Dellinger, who attended a counter-rally sponsored by environmental groups.

“At some point in time you just have to bite the bullet and say renewable energy is important for this generation.”

State Rep. Pricey Harrison, a Greensboro Democrat, said the bill is vital for motivating other countries to address global warming and move people away from using carbon-heavy fossil fuels.

“We have a finite amount of oil in this country,” she said. “That’s not sustainable. We have got to wean ourselves off fossil fuels.”

Harrison and others at the counter-rally dismissed the Energy Citizens event as an “astroturf,” or fake grassroots effort, funded by “big oil.” “What they’re doing is funding oil employees or whoever they can get to look like there’s this groundswell opposition to clean-energy legislation,” she said. “I just have not heard that kind of opposition to it from people at the legislature.”

But Mark Mirabile, a Greensboro electrical engineer who doesn’t believe in the human-caused global warming theory, said many people have real doubts about the bill’s merit.

“People intuitively feel something is not right and that’s why they’re out here,” he said.

 

Contact Morgan Josey Glover at 373-7078 or morgan.josey@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Morgan Josey Glover

Photo Caption: Clean energy supporters rally in support of a proposed federal carbon emissions bill outside the Greensboro Coliseum on Thursday, Aug. 20, 2009.

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Doug Johnson

August 21, 2009 - 6:01 am EDT

Left out of this article, was a small detail we will pay threw out noises for this crap and tax bill.
Pricey Harrison, if she wanted to cut down on energy, she would be hollering for the illegals to be sent home!
They use a ton of our energy!
Instead she trying to give them a college education on your dime!
I am for all sources of energy, that will help this country go forward!
However I can not see where raising the price of everything will accomplish that.
We could to something stupid like drill for our oil, and sell it overseas.

gsostudent

August 22, 2009 - 12:50 am EDT

Undocumented immigrants are often forced to leave their families and countries in order to come to places like North Carolina because your tax dollars have gone to funding corrupt dictatorships in Latin America. If you have some sort of racist problem with undocumented Latinos in the United States, why don't you see to it that the US doesn't send its troops to Colombia for the bogus drug war (which the US is in the process of doing) to displace more people and put more pressure on people to immigrate just to get by. Do you think Salvadorans come to the US because they want to be abused by employers in Greensboro? Think again- it's connected to the US-backed military dictatorship that fought a bloody Civil War ending in 1992. The same is true in Guatemala and with the Contra War in Nicaragua. Or let's talk about the construction of the Panama Canal. Or the colonization of Puerto Rico. Or the backing of dictators in Argentina, the Dominican Republic, Cuba (pre-Castro), Bolivia, Brazil, the overthrow of Allende in Chile... the list goes on. And let's not forget the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) negotiated by Bush Sr. and signed by Clinton that moved high paying union jobs in the midwest to Mexico while simultaneously flooding the Mexican market with subsidized US agri-business crops, undercutting the Mexican food industry and thus displacing farmers who either went to work in US sweatshops or came to the US hoping never to run into someone like you.

Learn your history and read up on the issues before you go running your mouth like some sort of hot shot know-it all. Your ignorance is a poor excuse for your racist jargonistic crap. If you have time to post on this website you have time to read a book or two.

gsostudent

August 22, 2009 - 12:53 am EDT

Capitalism requires that there is a segment of the population that is kept as an expendible labor force. Capitalism thrives on poverty and requires its existence. Our economic system relies on the exploitation of the majority of people for the enrichment of a few. If it weren't inherent in capitalism it would've been changed by now.

Know you're real enemy.

Doug Johnson

August 21, 2009 - 6:07 am EDT

By the way, who picks up the tab, for hard working folks, that are strugglin to get by?
Are Obama BS, he would not raise taxes on middle class working families!
This is a major tax increase .

Laura

August 21, 2009 - 9:15 am EDT

"massive job losses??" Yawn. Same old corporate lies and fear tactics to rile up the uneducated bigots. Cap and trade is a sensible compromise. We need stronger legislation to further incentivize green industry and green innovation, which is rapidly creating new jobs. Anybody with any sense can see it's the way forward.

Mr. Johnson, with all due respect, unless you own a factory with a smokestack, you are arguing against your own interests, and against your children's future. These corporate nay-sayers are not geared to think long term -- they think only as far as the next quarter. We need wise policies that look long-term, and that's what this legislation does. It's a good thing.

camera lens

August 21, 2009 - 1:58 pm EDT

I am neither astroturf, nor a member of the petroleum industry. I am a working Guilford County resident, and I attended the Rally last evening as an on going effort to listen to both sides of this debate.

No smokestack rising from the place I work...however; there is more to this bill than smokestacks. I am a kitchen designer, and this bill will affect my industry greatly. Currently cabinet manufacturers in the USA meet EPA standards already in place that increase cost. China does NOT have to match these guidelines. Therefore some of our US companies are already shipping part of the work overseas due to cost. This has already resulted in loss of US jobs. With this added Cap and Trade burden, even more of our US manufactuing will be shipped overseas: HENCE, job loss.

You may see this as insignificant. However, know this. It is no longer just parts and pieces of cabinetry being shipped from overseas. Chinese cabinets manufacturers finally figured it out and now manufacturer the complete cabinet, and they severely undercut US manufacturer because they are not having to follow ANY of our guidelines. They have opened their own showrooms here. So, as this becomes a trend it will become more and more difficult for the US cabinet manufacturers to compete. When this happens, the manufacturers will be forced to close due to inability to compete.

Do you remember all of the toys with high levels of lead? Do you remember the melamine in the formula? Are they are concerned with low VOC levels in their finishes? Are they interested in low off gassing flmhaldehyde. Why are we rewarding these companies, when we have US manufacturers that are already going above and beyond EPA requirements.?

Over the past years the cabinet indurstry as a whole has been very active in introducing "green" modifications to their cabinets, these include "no added flamydahyde" plywood or particle board, low VOC finishes, and many have great "re forrestation" programs that have been in place for years. All of this with OUT government interference.

Some of this "green" technology results in upcharges, however, though many customer want "green" products, they elect "not" to go green because it cost more. Unless the government decides to decree that we only buy American (which would be unconstitutional by the way) there is no way to level the playing field. This is one of many examples that tells me that when the increase in cost due to this Cap and Trade bill trickle down to "Laura" homeowner, Laura homeowner will opt to buy the cheaper Chinese products and our US cabinet manufacturers will suffer.

Good intentions often lead to bad results, this Cap and Trade Bill will have this effect.

My entire point is this. Many of us, manufacturers, consurmers, and just plain folks like me, are "FOR" leaving a clean earth legacy to our future generations, but we do not feel that we need to bankrupt the country to do so. This Cap and Trade Bill has impacts to all small businesses, it isn't about smoke stacks. The jobs that will be created in this bill from what I can ascertain will be the "government jobs" needed to enforce it. Meanwhile it will be eliminating jobs for folks like myself and others.

Laura, this is just one industry that I have given as an example. Now, put this into effect for every item that goes into a house. I beg you and others to look at where our manufacturing indursty has gone. Textiles....overseas, Furniture.....overseas. Even customer service.....overseas.

Believe me many of us have given this MUCH thought about the long term impact. I would like to see SOME industry left for our future generations. A nation that produces nothing is in GRAVE danger of extinction.

This is not a partisan issue, it is a USA issue.

mohair.sam

August 21, 2009 - 5:07 pm EDT

Excellent post, Camera Lens. It's the law of unintended consequences, isn't it? "This will be good for you and your children" is the last thing you'll here on your way to the unemployment line. Laura apparently hasn't noticed the lengthening lines of unemployed all around her ... Cap & Trade will ensure those rates continue to climb and will do very little to hem in particulate pollution, at the end of the day, given the gaming that goes on in European markets.

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