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Religious services run afoul of HUD policy

Friday, August 14, 2009
(Updated 5:37 am)

Sunday mornings aren’t the same around the Elm Towers now that the largely elderly and disabled residents can’t gather for preaching and singing in a common space on the first floor of the subsidized building.

“The ones traveling to churches by vans or individuals picking them up, they’ll continue to go to church that way,” said Howard Embler, a resident of the High Point high-rise who has attended the services. “The ones not able to get out and go, I guess will be without church services. It’s stopped.”

The gatherings violate a U.S. Housing and Urban Development policy that forbids organizations receiving HUD funds from “engaging in inherently religious activities,” said Rachael Matthews, the spokeswoman for the High Point Housing Authority, which operates the complex that receives federal money.

She said what residents do in their own rooms is another matter.

A copy of the policy was slipped under the doors of residents a few weeks ago after complaints about use of the room for Sunday services, Embler said. A smaller gathering area upstairs, he said, often overflowed during a Wednesday night Bible study.

Asked whether the regulation refers to the housing authority holding services instead of residents coming together in the common area on their own, Matthews said the policy wouldn’t differentiate.

“It’s on the property belonging to the housing authority,” Matthews said.

“We’ve talked to HUD about this. They said, 'Yes, you are doing exactly the right thing.’”

Calls to Greensboro’s HUD office were not returned by late Thursday.

Matthews referred to Policy 24, CFR 5.109, which reads: “Organizations that receive direct HUD funds under a HUD program or activity may not engage in inherently religious activities, such as worship, religious instruction, or proselytization, as part of the programs or services directly funded under the HUD program or activity.

“If any organization conducts such activities, the activities must be offered separately, in the time or location, from the programs, activities, or services supported by the direct HUD funds, and participation must be voluntary for the beneficiaries of these programs, activities, or services.”

Embler said he feels his constitutional rights have been violated. “As far as I know, the churches are not funded by HUD,” Embler said. “As far as I know, the ministers were coming in here doing charity work.”

Contact Nancy McLaughlin at 373-7049 or nancy.mclaughlin@news-record.com

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Packfan4life

August 14, 2009 - 9:17 am EDT

Well isn't that interesting . If you receive Government funds , in which the Government took from you to begin with , you must do as they say . UMM! It doesn't sound like freedom to me . Hey ACLU , HUD , DNC , and Mr. Obama CHRISTIANS PAY TAXES TOO!

Gymnaseum

August 14, 2009 - 10:15 am EDT

Ah, but so do non-Christians. Hence, the tax money is from all sorts. And the government must not give perefrence to any particular religion (First Amendment). If they wish to worship or study the Bible, they can do so in their own rooms, with privacy. Doing it in large public spaces, maintained by tax dollars, gives the impression the government sponsors Christian worship. That's a no-go.

Beachwalk

August 14, 2009 - 4:29 pm EDT

NO ONE IS FORCING A NON-CHRISTIAN TO ATTEND.

pikepole20

August 14, 2009 - 9:31 am EDT

In the Apostle Paul's time Christians met in houses and secretly so that they would not be found, persecuted and sometimes even killed. This persecution was largely organized and performed by the ruling governments of the time which was generally either the Romans or the local Israelites. History has come full circle 2,000 years later with elderly people, some of which have no transportation, being denied by the government a voluntary religious service in a common room. HUD, Medicare, Medicaid and other huge government programs have far more reach than just subsidized housing. What and who is next? I would guess that every nursing home that has subsidized residents is not too far to reach. Christians wake up.

Gymnaseum

August 14, 2009 - 10:17 am EDT

I believe HUD housing only is affected. Because all of its common rooms are paid for with solely tax dollars. Residents in private care, on Medicare, are not subject to such limits, because the common rooms there are not subsidized.

greensboro-nc

August 14, 2009 - 12:46 pm EDT

Wake up Christians, you are starting to be treated like everyone else.

countryboy

August 14, 2009 - 1:49 pm EDT

1st Ammendment (not that it matters in 2009): "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;". The Supremes have ruled that allowing religious functions on government property does not violate the establishment clause as long as (get this) the government entity does not ESTABLISH the function. That is not happening in this case according to the article. HUD is wrong...and if justice is served, the residents will soon be able to enjoy their religious and non-religious services of choice. They should contact the American Center for Law and Justice @
P.O. Box 90555
Washington, DC 20090-0555
1-800-296-4529

preacherjohn

August 14, 2009 - 7:11 pm EDT

I know for a fact that those services have been going on for over 25 years, and now they want to stop these seniors from worshiping their Lord. Certainly does not seem fair and it is not. Last I read the 1st Ammendment was still it tact; so far. Let's keep hoping it stays that way. Give the residents their services back.

lillulu

August 14, 2009 - 8:18 pm EDT

These residents right to worship freely is being taken away. I seriously doubt the worship leaders are on staff at the housing facility, so it's not like the government funds are "establishing" or "endorsing" any particular religion.
Sounds to me like participation in the services is voluntary, so the government not forcing anyone to worship either.
I agree, they should contact the American Center for Law and Justice. It is a non profit organization, so they do not charge legal fees to their clients.
Legal Helpline Phone: 757-226-2489
Legal Helpline Fax: 757-226-2836

Alacam

August 18, 2009 - 7:51 am EDT

What is it about, "no government sponsored religious activities", do some not understand?

Get A Clue

August 19, 2009 - 7:12 am EDT

Never mind the U.S. Constitution. Most Americans have never read it anyway and even fewer understand it.
What does it say about your god that you need all these special circumstances simply to worship him? Never mind the fact that you're already in a government-assisted home instead of with your family. Never mind the fact that you're probably getting government assistance for health care because the body your creator gave you is seriously failing. Never mind that you're probably only willing to devote about an hour a week to prasing your creator, anyway. And never mind the fact that after all these years of praising him you probably still harbor at least a serious distrust of people who don't worship the same way you do, let alone look like you.
A tempest in a teapot. Get on with what little of your life is left.

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