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Time Warner's HBO fee upsets customers

Thursday, August 13, 2009
(Updated 10:25 am)

Time Warner Cable has notified HBO subscribers in the Triad that beginning Sept. 30 they will need a digital cable box for each television set to view the premium movie channel.

The cable company says that by moving HBO from its analog roster to its digital channel list, it is freeing up more cable space to add high-definition channels.

But some subscribers say it’s a way to force them to pay $8.95 a month to rent a box for each TV in the house.

“My view of it is they’re taking a franchise that they have and they’re finding a way to take and mine at least another 100 and some odd bucks a year out of the people they have,” Greensboro subscriber Frank Wood said .

Wood, a digital cable subscriber, has a digital converter box for his main television set, which provides HBO on channel 5 as well as on several HD channels above channel 400.

But he has several smaller TVs around his house, which get about 70 channels, including HBO on channel 5.

After Sept. 30, the only way he’ll be able to watch HBO on the other TV sets is to have a cable box for each set.

Time Warner said the move is not intended to inflict hardship on customers.

And the company is offering a free set-top cable box for a year for one TV to anybody with a basic cable package.

“By moving this from the basic tier to the digital tier we’re able to provide more programming by freeing up bandwidth,” said Melissa Buscher, director of media relations for Time Warner Cable’s Carolina Region.

She said that only about 2 percent of Time Warner’s more than 380,000 subscribers in the Triad subscribe to HBO through basic cable.

Cable subscribers have said overall that they want more high-definition programming, she said, and Time Warner wants to expand from the current 63 HD channels to 100 by the end of the year.

It will add four more channels to that lineup on Aug. 25, she said: CBS College Sports HD, Fox News HD, Fox Business HD and Fuse HD .

Wood is worried, however, that Time Warner will slowly move channels away from its analog transmission — the signals that don’t require a set-top box — so that he’ll eventually be forced to rent boxes for all of his TVs.

He considers that a needless expense intentionally created by the company to bring in a fee for every TV set in a home.

“What’s the next piece of content this is going to happen to?” the retiree said. “This is their model of shifting their business ... from content per house to content per TV.”

Buscher said Time Warner’s move is not driven by revenue. HBO is a niche movie channel, she said, and Time Warner is not interested in stripping basic and analog cable of its channels of broader interest, such as CNN.

“By moving the channel, we’re not looking at it as a revenue strategy,” she said. “We’re looking at it as a way to offer more products and services. Anytime you can offer more products and services to your customers the happier your customers are going to be.”

Contact Richard M. Barron at 373-7371 or richard.barron@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Staff photo (News & Record)

Photo Caption: Time Warner Cable office off Spring Garden Street in Greensboro.

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ravencottage

August 13, 2009 - 6:44 am EDT

While visiting friends in Virginia I was astonished to see the number and quality of the television channels they received via a digital converter...for free. Since I only had basic cable for local stations anyway I decided to try it here in North Carolina. I purchased a converter and amplified antenna from Radio Shack. The result was great! No more Time Warner for me.

holland4

August 13, 2009 - 8:43 am EDT

I, too, dropped cable television earlier this year. I use digital over-the-air reception, Apple TV, and a Roku box. (Of course, I need broadband internet access to do this.) It saves us a lot of money each month.

Das Boot

August 13, 2009 - 4:21 pm EDT

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Das Boot

August 13, 2009 - 4:22 pm EDT

WOuld you please expand on the channels you receive with your converter? I am thinking of dropping my cable service.

ravencottage

August 13, 2009 - 8:43 pm EDT

if you go to antennaweb.org u will b able to enter your zip code and determine the stations u can receive for free. the only problem in my area at the moment is pbs...they are in the process of replacing their antenna so they say it will be the end of summer before it is complete.

histrion

August 13, 2009 - 8:39 am EDT

Wow. Fewer and fewer reasons to choose cable over satellite. If I've got to have the converter box, anyway...

histrion

August 13, 2009 - 8:41 am EDT

Oh, and those extra HD channnels? You probably won't get them in the standard package, either. You'll have to pay extra for the "digital tier" to get them.

weatherwithyou33

August 13, 2009 - 9:07 am EDT

I'll be putting in my cancellation tomorrow. DirectTV here I come. They have a great deal through ATT right now that'll get me DTV with the NFL Sunday Ticket for free this year.

pixelpusher

August 13, 2009 - 10:44 am EDT

Ahh...the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.

I did the Sunday ticket deal last year with DirectTV. It was free, it was nice, but nothing I would pay for. I have a High Def TV and the Sunday ticket you get for free is NOT in High Def. That's an up-charge. Additionally, they AUTOMATICALLY CHARGED me for this years Sunday Ticket. I had to get on the phone with customer service to get the charge removed from my bill. Good luck with Direct TV customer service. Make sure you set aside plenty of time.

In the end, they're ALL crooks.

weatherwithyou33

August 13, 2009 - 12:14 pm EDT

I saw that it is an extra charge for HD but it is woorth it for me just to have access to those games in standard def. While I have heard a few bad things about their customer service I have also heard if you work them enough you can usually get a better deal the next year. I am really tyring this in hopes that it gives ATT enough time to get Uverse into the area so I can make the switch to that service. The switch will also save me a few dollars in the end even with all the fees.

In the end they are all crooks, it's just a matter of finding the chaepest crook with the best service. If that exists.

EK Hornbeck

August 13, 2009 - 10:48 am EDT

I was a Directv subscriber then went to Time Warner to try them out.... Only to go running back to Directv with my tail between my legs. I love my Directv. Not only do you have more Hi Def choices, but the picture quality is a lot better than Time Warner's HD option. Customer service is fantastic too. If only they ran a decent internet option..

Elmer

August 13, 2009 - 11:09 am EDT

“By moving the channel, we’re not looking at it as a revenue strategy”

Anytime they tell you "it's not about the money", you can assume that it is.

rooster8786

August 13, 2009 - 12:03 pm EDT

As long as the "leaders" of Greensboro continue to allow Time Warner Cable/TWC a monopoly, guess what.. the citizens will be stuck with an overpriced product/service, underperforming service, and a company that doesn't care because they have a monopoly. Cancel TWC and go satellite for a better product, better service, and a provider that cares about the customer because the customer has choices. That's what I did for television AND internet and I have not regretted it once although it did take 3 letters to the VP/GM of TWC to get my account straightened out. Leave TWC in mass and it will force them to do the right thing... provide a product at a fair price and back it up with REAL customer service!!!!!

Nothingbutthetruth

August 13, 2009 - 12:18 pm EDT

What they are saying might be true, but I do believe that they have found another way to get extra money out of existing customers.I first used TimeWarner back in 1997 just for basic cable. It went up $10.00 per year with no improvement in service or channels. We droped it and have been with Dish Network since. Thinking about dropping Road Runner and using Hughes Net.

CG_ACE

August 13, 2009 - 12:22 pm EDT

Im already spending 170.00 a month with Crime Warner. Direct TV will give the boxes for free. Enough is enough.
THE CITY OF GREENSBORO MUST ALLOW OTHER CABLE COMPANIES TO COMPETE IN THIS MARKET.
Wheres COMCAST, COX or some of the other service Providers. What really gets me is that they are doing it
"FOR US" !!!! how about leaving it alone FOR US!!!!

snapandwhistle

August 13, 2009 - 10:41 pm EDT

I was recently visiting my parents who have Comcast. I was shocked to see that they received all HD channels WITHOUT An HD BOX!! As long as you had an HD TV, you received HD channels.

thestatelottery

August 13, 2009 - 12:33 pm EDT

I'm so glad I just switched to Directv. I love that TWC offered me a deal on my cable price AFTER I told them I am done with them. You should have done that when I was paying customer!

jhurley

August 13, 2009 - 1:46 pm EDT

I actually had this experience too, I called TWC, told them I was thinking about switching and asked them if they could reduce my rates, they said no, then when I called to cancel to say I was going with DirecTV, they were like, why didn't you tell us, we could have reduced your bill, I simply said, 'I did tell you and and your employees refused to do anything." I am going to add on HD channels to DirecTV in the fall, TWC just missed out on my business, and I was their customer for 7 years!

nemrac

August 13, 2009 - 1:12 pm EDT

I have been expecting this since they had to drop the bandwidth limitation for Roadrunner. This is nothing more than a fee increase. It will Dish Network for me as soon as this change is effective.

TOTHE POINT

August 13, 2009 - 1:14 pm EDT

Cable companies are a rip off. I was wondering if any one could fully explain why Comcast is so much better than Time Warner? Where I live I have Comcast and have had TWC in other places and the features that Comcast offers is so fantastic. However, I do have Road Runner internet and my email address is RR and I did not want to change it because changing your email address these days is like changing your phone number - it has been with you so long that every one knows you by it. So I have Comcast cable with an internet option that I do not want because I kept my RR email. Can any tell me the pros and cons of Satelite dish service versus TWC?

monketoes

August 13, 2009 - 2:28 pm EDT

satellite - lower cost for more tv, great HD, limited service issues, great programming, no price increases each year- big storms do make it blink out for a short period of time, but cable goes out when the sun is shining.
TWC - little tv for price, price goes up every year, service problems, snooty customer service- no dish on your roof tho.

question4u

August 13, 2009 - 3:27 pm EDT

This is one of many reasons I no longer subscribe to cable or satellite TV. SkyAngel is my new provider for TV service. It is a Christian TV provider that operates through my internet connection. There are fewer channels than cable/satellite, but they don't put filth and sleaze in my home. No raunchy commercials. I admit the progamming is limited, but I decided that instead of just complaining about the sleaze on TV, I should put my money where my mouth is. So far, I am very happy with it.

cr8er

August 13, 2009 - 3:40 pm EDT

When my wife and I get angry with a company, we affectionately refer to it as going "Time Warner" because of the exceptionally poor customer service they provided. I am appalled at how they try to steal people's money with their "services." It is a horrible company, and the monopoly they have on the Triad is unacceptable. I am glad I don't have to deal with them anymore. Time Warner is an awful company!

DonMoore

August 13, 2009 - 5:59 pm EDT

Quote - "HBO from its analog roster to its digital channel list, it is freeing up more cable space to add high-definition channels."

Taking Analog Channel 5 to the Digital Tier does not create more bandwidth. Analog Channel 5 will continue to exist - probably as a new Shopping Channel (where TWC gets a cut). TWC has virtually unlimited bandwidth because they control the "pipe".

AT&T FIOS is coming. That will blow TWC's degraded HD out of the water.

weatherwithyou33

August 13, 2009 - 6:18 pm EDT

Do you have any idea when we'll have AT&T Uverse here? I am ready to pull the trigger on AT&T and DTV but would rather have Uverse.

Stungun

August 13, 2009 - 6:27 pm EDT

It's time for the town fathers to allow competing cable companies in to keep these guys from gouging the customer any more than they already are. And why are we required to rent all these set top boxes from TWC? This is as bad as when you had to rent your phones form Ma Bell. At least give the customer the opportunity to buy the equipment on the open market.

bobzewill

August 13, 2009 - 10:22 pm EDT

This is another price-gouging attempt by Time Warner. I can buy that they want to clear bandwidth (they say) to create more HD channels, although I'm not too enthusiastic about the four they are proposing. Who cares if Fox News or Fox Business is available in HD? Talking heads on a sorry network in HD so we can see their pimples? Get real. And I never heard of Fuse HD. CBS College Sports HD may be legit, but I doubt I'd watch it much.

And consider this: Earlier this year, TWC billed $7.20 a month for "High-Def Digital Video Recorder" (that was the premium; you got digital, HD and a programmable DVR in the foreign-made box) and 30 cents for the remote, $7.50 total. Then they changed the billing in May and created a new harder-to-read statement that says "DVR Service 1 TV $9.95." And now they want $8.95 a month for additional TVs? That's like usury. It's a device that can be had from China for pennies. I've had TWC's digital HD DVR since early 2004, and when I moved 18 months later, I reinstalled the thing myself at my new residence. No labor costs to TWC. $8.95 a month for additional TVs is just insane. No way that can be cost-justified.

Let the protests begin.

jsipe29

August 14, 2009 - 1:36 am EDT

I just had an issue with Time Warner myself. My cable went bad almost 2 weeks ago. After 7 calls, 10 hours of on-line chat, 3 promises for a technician to come out, suppose to call first, never showed up nor call, replacing the box, (I had to take it myself and hook it back up and it made it worse), and finally a technician came and fixed it yesterday. If it were not for my special needs son, i would have cancelled it.

jeffic_fail

August 14, 2009 - 5:06 am EDT

Two words: Jeffic Fail!

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