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No-sayers on health care proposals rally

Tuesday, August 4, 2009
(Updated Thursday, August 6 - 4:31 pm)

GREENSBORO — With U.S. House members already home for their summer recess and the Senate soon to follow, the battle over health care reform is moving to the home front.

Case in point: the parking lot outside the Shoney’s restaurant near Piedmont Triad International Airport on Monday morning.

“Ladies and gentlemen, if you think health care is expensive now, wait until the government offers it for free,” said Dallas Woodhouse, who leads the state chapter of Americans for Prosperity. Woodhouse got shouts of approval from the crowd as he exhorted them to contact their congressmen and resist the ongoing congressional effort to write a health care reform bill.

“Did anybody see in Katrina all those thirsty people that the U.S. government couldn’t figure a way to get water to?” Woodhouse asked. “Do we want those people in our exam rooms?”

The crowd of more than 100 shouted back “No!”

Woodhouse continued: “Do we want those people deciding whether our grandmother gets a hip, whether our grandfather gets a knee, or whether we get the heart medicine that we need?”

Woodhouse’s crowd was mostly older folks, although there were at least some who took time off from work to rally to the cause.

“I see the government is trying to create a society of dependent people where they can control every aspect of your life. It scares me,” said Wynn Myers, 47, of High Point.

Myers, who works at a local photography business, said he hoped public action could scuttle Congress’ current health reform effort. He said health reform was needed but that it should focus on allowing people more choices in private insurance and keeping illegal immigrants off public health insurance rolls.

Many of those at the rally spoke about the health care reform plan, which bemuses many Democrats who support health care reform efforts.

“There is no plan at this point, no final plan certainly, at this point,” said Rep. Mel Watt, a Charlotte Democrat who represents parts of Greensboro. “So for people to be attacking a plan that doesn’t exist yet just shows they’re opposed to the whole concept of health care reform.”

There are three health care proposals floating around Congress, as well as the Obama administration laying out some guidelines of its own.

Sen. Kay Hagan laid out part of that political landscape in an Charlotte Observer op-ed piece over the weekend, saying that the Senate Finance Committee was now working on a way to pay for health care reform.

Although Hagan is seen as a potential swing vote on parts of health reform — Woodhouse said the Americans for Prosperity tour came to Greensboro first to make a point to Hagan — she wrote that the country can’t afford not to do a health care deal.

“Without action, health care costs will continue to soar, endangering our economic security,” she wrote.

And Rep. Brad Miller, a Raleigh Democrat who represents parts of Greensboro and Rockingham County, said that legislators would have to push back against what he described as misinformation being put forward by groups like this one.

One provision that has been particularly misconstrued, he said, would pay for doctors to talk with terminally ill patients about end-of-life issues.

“It is just howling-at-the-moon crazy to say that provision to allow for occasional end-of-life counseling ... is going to have people put down the way we put down an animal,” Miller said.

That idea was put out by Rep. Virginia Foxx, a Winston-Salem Republican, on the House floor last week. She was pitching her own health care reform proposal, which involved tax credits, and contrasting it with Democrats’ plans.

“It will bring down the cost of health care for all Americans ... and is pro-life, because it will not put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government.”

Miller pushed back against her comments.

“They’re trying to sink the health care reform effort any way they can,” Miller said. “We’re paying almost twice as much for health care as we should. ... We’re paying close to one-fifth of our whole economy, when the rest of the developed world, prosperous countries, as spending one-tenth of their economies. Now the difference is not just going up into the atmosphere, it’s going into people’s pockets.

“And the people who have got that money going into their pockets are going to do everything they can to defeat reform so they can keep making the money that they’re making.”

House votes

Among recorded votes of interest taken on the House floor last week:

  • HR 3269: Corporate and Financial Institution Compensation Fairness Act. The measure would give federal regulators the ability to restrict pay packages and bonuses for executives at financial institutions. It would also require a non-binding public vote of shareholders on “golden parachute” pay packages for top executives.The bill passed the House 237-185. Democrats Brad Miller and Mel Watt voted yes. Republicans Virginia Foxx and Howard Coble of Greensboro voted no.
  • HR 2749: Food Safety Enhancement Act of 2009. The bill would extend the Food and Drug Administrations authority over certain companies and farms, requiring many of them to pay a $500 annual registration fee to fund a new food safety program.The bill passed 283-142. Miller and Watt voted in favor. Coble and Foxx voted against.

Senate votes

Among recorded votes of interest in the Senate last week:

  • HR 1383: Energy and Water Development and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2010. This is a $34 billion energy and water spending package. It would spend $6.5 billion on maintaining the country’snuclear stockpile. Other money would fund energy research. The measure passed 85-9.
    Sens. Kay Hagan, a Greensboro Democrat, and Richard Burr, a Winston-Salem Republican, both voted yes.
  • One amendment to HR 1383 would have required the country redistribute the federal government’s shares in General Motors and Chrysler to U.S. taxpayers. The measure failed 38-59. Burr voted for the amendment. Hagan voted against.

Contact Mark Binker at (919) 832-5549 or mark.binker@news-record.com

 

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HOW TO REACH YOUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES

SENATE

  • Sen. Richard Burr: 217 Russell Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510, (202) 224-3154;  burr.senate.gov
  • Sen. Kay Hagan: 521 Dirksen Senate Office Building, Washington, DC 20510, (202) 224-6342; hagan.senate.gov

 HOUSE

  • Rep. Howard Coble (6th District): 2468 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, (202) 225-3065; coble.house.gov
  • Rep. Virginia Foxx (5th District): 1230 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, (202) 225-2071; foxx.house.gov
  • Rep. Brad Miller (13th District): 1127 Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, (202) 225-3032; bradmiller.house.gov
  • Rep. Mel Watt (12th District): 2304 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC 20515, (202) 225-1510; watt.house.gov
     

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Doug Johnson

August 4, 2009 - 6:27 am EDT

They have a 1018 pages on this and they do not have a plan?
Wonder what is in the 1018 pages?
If you will notice the government is all ready ration health care.
Seen the list of swine flu shots, over 64 not own it.
If this plan is so great why has not Miller, Watt and Hagan agreed to be the first to sign up for it?
Wonder why Mark Binker did not ask them that?

Panacea

August 4, 2009 - 11:49 am EDT

Doug, that's just more misinformation. Of course they have a plan--it's in the bill.

As for swine flu, the CDC has recommendations on who should get it first. It's the same thing with the regular flu vaccine--the most vulnerable populations get access first, then the general population. Quit trying to scare people.

jeffreyhsykes

August 4, 2009 - 2:50 pm EDT

Doug was referring to the Hon. Mr. Watt's comment that there is no plan.

tledford

August 4, 2009 - 2:56 pm EDT

"If you will notice the government is all ready (sic) ration (sic) health care."

Blue Cross Blue Shield of NC and United HealthCare have ALWAYS rationed health care. It is rationing every time they deny coverage of a procedure or test that your doctor orders (has happened to me twice in the last year). It is rationing every time they refuse to insure someone due to the fact that they are sick. It is rationing whenever they cancel coverage for whatever reason they choose, no reason is required of them.

As long as a PROFIT is being made off of health insurance, it will continue to place the US 37th in quality of health care.

miktay

August 4, 2009 - 7:18 am EDT

It would be interesting to know if Americans for Prosperity is getting any of their funding from the health insurance industry. There is a lot of astroturfing going on right now. You know, fake grassroots organizations. Who has ever heard of Americans for Prosperity? Sounds like a case of the No! Nothing! special interests trying to scare the Know Nothings. Certainly the rhetoric quoted has very little to do with the reality of the health care reforms being discussed in Congress right now.

hpulliamjr@triad.rr.com

August 4, 2009 - 9:09 am EDT

If you think I am fake,come see me sometime.
I hosted a "tea party" in Kernersville.
www.harveypulliam.com

jeffreyhsykes

August 4, 2009 - 10:09 am EDT

If you think I am fake, visit my blog at www.jeffreysykes.com

Panacea

August 4, 2009 - 12:00 pm EDT

Americans for Prosperity are funded by ultra conservative, pro business interests. Media Transparency, a watchgroup that monitors the flow of money to think thanks and grass roots organizations found:

On its website, Americans For Prosperity states that "AFP gets its support from individuals and corporations which share its vision." However, it does not disclose which corporations fund its operations.[17]

Media Transparency notes that Americans for Prosperity Foundation has received seven grants totaling $1,181,000 between 2004 to 2006. Grants to the foundation have included:[18]

* $1,000 in 2006 from the Roe Foundation;
* $50,000 in 2005 from the Ruth and Lovett Peters Foundation;
* $5,000 in 2005 from the Armstrong Foundation;
* $125,000 from three grants over 2004 and 2005 from the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; and
* $1,000,000 from the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation.

In its 2007 annual IRS return, the AFP Foundation's reported that its revenue was $5,695,000 with expenditure of $6,768,000. While the AFP Foundation ran at a loss of $1,072,000, it had a further $507,000 in reserves. Of its expenditure, $2,129,000 was spent on national office operations with just over $2.9 million allocated to the state-based chapters.[19]

Retrieved from: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

jeffreyhsykes

August 4, 2009 - 12:39 pm EDT

How else do you think PAC's are funded? It does not change the fact that its message resonates with grassroots activists across this state.

AFP was born from a split within Citizens for a Sound Economy. We got two nice groups out of the deal, AFP and FreedomWorks.

I can assure you the grassroots are strong in this area. Come to an event sometime.

Thomas G Smothers Jr

August 4, 2009 - 7:39 am EDT

Kay Hagan and Brad Miller saying the public doesn't understand this tells me something about them. If they support this crap they will see how much we understand at the next election!

Panacea

August 4, 2009 - 12:01 pm EDT

What Miller said was, people are being misled into thinking the health care reform bill is going to do things like deny care to the terminally ill. Miller was saying the bill says the exact opposite--he's right. I've read the bill.

tledford

August 4, 2009 - 3:07 pm EDT

It was their nice way of saying "If people are going to be so phenomenally stupid as to believe that any health insurance reform is going to euthanize senior citizens, then it is beyond my ken what they might believe."

wreck86

August 4, 2009 - 8:37 am EDT

“So for people to be attacking a plan that doesn’t exist yet just shows they’re opposed to the whole concept of health care reform." This statement by Mel Watt is interesting for a couple of reasons. First, as we've seen with the "stimulus" package, you have to attack before they finish writing it because they're going to pass it so fast that no one, even they, won't have time to read it. Second, no one is opposed to "health care reform." What people oppose is the method of reform? Bringing down costs while increasing demand is not reform, its pie-eyed lunacy.

Panacea

August 4, 2009 - 12:04 pm EDT

The point is to make health care break even, not make a profit. To bring costs in line with what they realistically should be, and get away from the blatant profiteering that goes on in medicine today.

God, the corporate big wigs must be ROFLTFAO at the thought they are getting so many people to buy into their scare tactics on what President Obama and the Democrats are trying to do.

jeffreyhsykes

August 4, 2009 - 1:20 pm EDT

So once they demonize this industry and make its profits an enemy of the people, which industry is next?

wreck86

August 4, 2009 - 1:37 pm EDT

I don't see what my statement has to do with profits. Simple market economics says if you don't increase the supply, prices must rise if you increase demand. The supply in this case is doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals and their facilities. The rise in demand happens when 30 million more people walk in to the doctors' offices asking to be seen. Regardless of how you feel about the uninsured people that is the cold hard reality. Prices will go up when more people are insured.

Now what do people mean when they say health care reform? Are they talking about the skyrocketing price of health care which everyone agrees has gone crazy? Or are they talking about the 30 - 50 million people who don't have health insurance. You cannot solve both at the same time unless you change something much more dramatic. All that has been put forth so far, is providing a government insurance option for the uninsured. That's more demand not reform.

Now if you gave everybody a 50,000 tax credit who can run a 10K in under 40 minutes, that's a dramatic change and time to go buy stock in Gatorade. I'm not actually suggesting such a thing, but its the only kind of thinking that will change things in the way necessary to combat a problem as systemic and old as this one.

tledford

August 4, 2009 - 3:11 pm EDT

Actually NO ONE is talking about health care reform and Miller and Hagan shouldn't be letting the nut jobs call it that, much less calling it that themselves.

What we're talking about is HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM, people. God, who in her infinite wisdom created the original microorganisms from which Mankind is ultimately descended, must surely have had her reasons for making some people so stupid, but she hasn't explained them to me (yet).

MariaC

August 7, 2009 - 2:52 am EDT

Health insurance is fundamentally about peace of mind. If you have good insurance, you don't have to worry about an accident or sudden illness. That is why President Obama’s 2010 Budget lays the groundwork for reform of the American health care system, to help finance reform of our health care system to bring down costs, expand coverage, and improve quality. But then, all of these was unrecognized that is why recently, the image of the Obama Joker poster is starting to make the rounds. The Obama Joker poster is a flier that's been posted all over Los Angeles, CA, which features President Obama with face paint just like the Joker from The Dark Knight, bearing a caption which simply reads Socialism. It’s a ploy – a satirizing of health care reform, and what many feel as a turn towards socialized medicine, akin to European and Canadian systems. Although the idea is to keep people from needing cash advances just for a check up, it still leads to things like the Obama Joker poster. Follow http://personalmoneystore.com/moneyblog/2009/08/03/obama-joker-poster/ for the full article.

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