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Jones gaining more support for video poker

Wednesday, July 29, 2009
(Updated 7:34 pm)

RALEIGH — Rep. Earl Jones doesn’t say he’s arguing for the return of video poker to North Carolina. After all, the Greensboro Democrat points out, a form of the game is spreading even after the state voted twice in five years to outlaw that type of gambling.

“As we speak, throughout this state, there is a proliferation of video (sweepstakes) machines that’s coming into North Carolina from various companies and manufacturers,” Jones said.

Jones argues that legislation he has sponsored could bring $500 million into state coffers while regulating and reining in an industry that is virtually uncontrolled.

That money is tempting for lawmakers, who are struggling to bridge what Democratic leaders describe as a $4 billion gap in the overdue budget. Lawmakers are stuck on how to raise an additional $1 billion in new taxes they say is needed.

For much of the spring, Jones has been a lonely voice advocating for video poker as a way to make up that fiscal ground. But Tuesday, he picked up the endorsements of the State Employees Association of North Carolina, an association that represents 55,000 people, and the N.C. Legislative Black Caucus, a group of 30 African American lawmakers.

Some legislators are rallying to Jones’ cause.

“People are gambling every day,” said Rep. Nelson Cole, a Reidsville Democrat. “Here’s an outfit that admits that’s what it is and they’re asking to be taxed and regulated.”

Video poker played a central role in the scandal that led to the conviction of former House Speaker Jim Black. Before video poker was first outlawed in 2005, sheriffs regularly complained of finding machines operating illegally.

After standalone video poker machines were outlawed, a new type of gambling entered the state: video sweepstakes machines that are connected to remote servers and typically require the purchase of phone or Internet time.

Legislators passed a law in 2008 that they thought would ban the new machines. But a Guilford County court ruling allowed video sweepstakes machines to keep operating. Two other judges have questioned the ban’s constitutionality.

“We just like to play,” said Willie Ruth Watson, 44, of Greensboro. She was playing at one of four machines perched on a counter at the Great Stops gas station on Greensboro’s East Market Street. “It’s something to do. That’s why children are in the street. They get bored at home. Adults get bored, too.”

But some lawmakers are determined to outlaw the machines. A measure that would take another swipe at outlawing video sweepstakes is in the bill-drafting office and has House and Senate supporters.

“It’s flouting our state laws and at the same time exploiting some of our most vulnerable citizens,” said Rep. Ray Rapp, a Mars Hill Democrat and leading anti-video poker voice in the House.

But Jones said people should make their own choices.

“I have a problem with this kind of paternalistic attitude that we know better how low-income people should spend their money,” Jones said.

Attorney General Roy Cooper said Monday he was hoping the legislature would move to ban the remaining forms of video poker.

“It’s clear that video poker hurts families, and it certainly is an issue that the sheriffs have told me is problematic in their counties,” Cooper said.

Guilford County Sheriff BJ Barnes said Monday that he did not see the issue as a big problem but needed to know whether the games were legal. Barnes has sent his department attorney and an officer that works on gambling issues to look at the machines.

“They came back and said they’re on that thin line,” Barnes said. He said legislators should clarify matters.

If enough House members backed Jones and decided to formally endorse some type of video poker, they could find resistance elsewhere.

Asked whether video poker would be part of a budget deal, Sen. David Hoyle replied, “No. I’m positive.” The Dallas Democrat is a lead finance negotiator. He said that future sessions of the General Assembly might look at the issue but that lawmakers needed to see how appellate courts ruled.

Senate leader Marc Basnight a Manteo Democrat, said he opposed video poker’s return. Gov. Bev Perdue said through a spokeswoman Tuesday that she does not support video poker and would not want to see it show up as part of the budget.

 

Staff writer Tricia L. Nadolny contributed to this report.

 

Contact Mark Binker at (919) 832-5549 or mark.binker@news-record.com

 

Accompanying Photos

Jenny Tenney

Photo Caption: A video poker machine at a gas station in Greensboro in 2009. 

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speakup2

July 29, 2009 - 6:57 am EDT

The ole this hurts families line just doesn't cut it for me. There is NOTHING that hurts families more than Alcohol and yet it is legal. I guess the government just doesn't want people to enjoy losing their money. One Thug is the same as another IMO.

morene01

July 29, 2009 - 9:23 am EDT

Addiction has many forms,alcohol is just one of many. Gambling is also an addiction. How can you say one is worse that the other.Anytime someone Gambles to the point that they can no longer pay their bills, buy food for their families or report to work, that is clearly a sign of addiction, or loss of control.I have seen this many times in my neighborhood and if the poker machines is the "crack" it should be kept off the streets. If you like it so good, Please put one in your neighborhood and watch what happens.

Interested

July 29, 2009 - 7:40 am EDT

I wonder - what about these men (and women) who golf Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? How much money have they sunk on balls, green fees, cart fees, shoes, clubs, etc, etc. (I'm sure they didn't lose any additional money any other way, for example, betting on their games.) Do we really want the government dictating how we spend our leisure time?

jmoffat

July 29, 2009 - 8:29 am EDT

The state of North Carolina can promote a lottery, which is a form of gambling, but it is vehemently against video poker and other forms of gaming? If the state truly believed their own lies, then it would have voted against the North Carolina "Education" Lottery. The state merely wants to cut out the middle man, leaving it the only gaming business in town. All forms of gaming, in a regulated setting, should be legalized.

morene01

July 29, 2009 - 9:11 am EDT

Where does any amount of your proceeds go other than your pockets.

jackhartjj

July 29, 2009 - 11:47 am EDT

Do your homework, Jim Black, who is in jail now along with Kevin Geddings, sent the legislators home, then called them back, he know a couple could not come back and more than likely bribed others not to come back, which gave him the numbers he needed to pass the lottery.

Mark Binker

July 29, 2009 - 12:37 pm EDT

Just to correct an historical point: The House passed the lottery bill rather early on in the 2005 session. (April if I recall, correctly.) It was the Senate that sent members home and then called them back in late August of 2005. It was then-Lt. Gov. Bev Perdue who cast the tie breaking vote on the bill that created the lottery.

Jim Black is in prison (as is Geddings) but Black's conviction was for bribery charges related to chiropractors - not the lottery.

morene01

July 29, 2009 - 9:09 am EDT

I am very much against video poker machines hidden in the back of stores. Every store in my neighborhood had them and I was sick of seeing people from outside my neighborhood carrying off their illgotten gains. It does hurt families, it teaches children that gambling is okay,and it also shows the world that addiction to gambling is acceptable.Please contact raleigh and tell them that we do not want video poker in our neighborhoods any more.Also, If it is such a respectable way of increasing reveneue, shouldn't it be in every store in north carolina, the lottery is.

Panacea

July 29, 2009 - 9:30 am EDT

The problem with video poker and other forms of video gambling is that the machines are easily manipulated by the owners.

Someone who plays golf knows the rules, is willing to pay green fees, etc. Someone who plays a video gambling game has no assurance that the game is fair. That's why it should be outlawed.

I have no problem with a bunch of folks getting together for a poker game--with cards and chips. But due to the violence that can be involved when money is at stake, regular gambling should be regulated. Video gambling should be outright banned.

The difference with alcohol is that if you buy it from the ABC, you know you are getting a quality product. Buy 'shine from the holler, and you might end up with literal poison, which is why alcohol manufacture is regulated.

I will agree both gambling and drinking are equally devastating to families.

TerryT

July 29, 2009 - 6:41 pm EDT

If Earl wants Big Earl gets. Forget about it.

rmacz

July 29, 2009 - 7:03 pm EDT

Where are they gonna go Earl, Greensboro Country Club or Joe's Bar and Grill on Lee Street?

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