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Taxes would rise in budget deal

Wednesday, July 22, 2009
(Updated 4:50 pm)

RALEIGH — Negotiators for the N.C. House and Senate have reached a tentative agreement on raising taxes, breaking a stalemate toward the passage of the three-weeks-overdue state budget.

Although there is not a final agreement, negotiators from both sides said there is “agreement in principle” to raise a temporary income tax surcharge and increase the sales tax rate.

Taxes on tobacco products and alcohol would also rise, and certain purchases made over the Internet that currently escape taxation no longer would be able to evade collection.

“We’re very close to getting this worked out,” said Sen. David Hoyle, a Dallas Democrat, after he emerged from a meeting with House negotiators at 6 p.m. Wednesday.

Rep. Paul Luebke, a Durham Democrat and the lead tax negotiator for the House, agreed.

“The amount of revenue raised is critical,” Luebke said.

A tax deal would remove one of the last major obstacles keeping the General Assembly from sending what’s likely to be an $18.9 billion budget to Gov. Bev Perdue.

Virtually anyone who relies on government funding has been unable to properly plan for the year ahead with lawmakers deadlocked.

School districts and the counties that fund them had to put budgets in place by July 1, despite not knowing how many teaching positions the state may cut or what other changes will look like. Many public health and social service programs have been left in limbo with no clear direction on how much their funding will be cut.

Democrats control both the House and Senate, as well as the governor’s office. They say the state is facing a more than $4 billion budget shortfall and that they need at least $990 million in new or increased taxes to help bridge that gap.

Republicans dispute those numbers and argue that the state could live without a tax increase by cutting waste and properly accounting for federal stimulus dollars.

“It all goes back to what we’ve been talking about all along, which is a question of priorities,” said Sen. Phil Berger, an Eden Republican who represents parts of Guilford County.

But Republicans are not involved in the budget negotiations. That leaves Democrats to find agreement among their 68 members in the House, where it takes 61 votes to pass a bill,  and among their 30 members in the Senate, where at least 25 votes are needed along with the lieutenant governor’s tie-breaking vote.

Reaching a deal that doesn’t alienate more than a few members has been difficult and accounts for the budget negotiations dragging on well past the July 1 deadline.

Until this weekend, the Senate had insisted on a plan that would have largely rewritten the state’s tax code by applying sales and income taxes to more items and services but lowering the rates.

That idea will now be assigned to a study committee,  and Sen. Clark Jenkins, a Tarboro Democrat, said he hoped that it would be acted on during a special legislative session next year or during the annual “short” session that starts in May.

Hoyle, Luebke and other negotiators said that there are still details to be worked out and a chance that either the House or Senate caucus could balk at the agreement today.

“There are members in the House caucus that are having a problem with even a small increase in the cigarette tax,” Luebke said.

In broad strokes, the agreement reached by negotiators Tuesday evening would:

* Levy a 2 percent surcharge on all individuals and businesses that pay income tax. A person who would normally pay $1,000 in taxes would pay $1,020 over the next two years. That surcharge would expire after two years.

* Raise sales taxes at least three-quarters of a penny to 7.5 percent throughout most of the state.

* Possibly increase the sales tax on electricity and the surcharge on natural gas. If House members reject that change, the general sales tax would likely rise a full penny, negotiators say.

* Raise roughly $100 million in “sin” taxes. Cigarette taxes could rise as much as 15 to 50 cents per pack. The excise taxes on beer, wine and liquor would rise, but those amounts are not yet nailed down.

* Apply state sales taxes to “click through” transactions. These are essentially taxes on online retailers such as Amazon.com that have as yet not been required to collect sales taxes on purchases made in North Carolina.

Aside from the click-through tax, there are no new taxes under discussion.

Still, some rank-and-file members are skeptical.

Rep. Nelson Cole, a Reidsville Democrat, said he had trouble with the tobacco taxes. Cole’s district covers a Commonwealth Brands tobacco manufacturing plant and is only a few miles from Greensboro-based Lorillard.

“I don’t think it’s a smart thing to do, but I’m one out of 120,” he said.

Contact Mark Binker at (919) 832-5549 or mark.binker@news-record.com
 

Accompanying Photos

File photo (News & Record)

Photo Caption: North Carolina legislative building in Raleigh.

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ravencottage

July 22, 2009 - 7:33 am EDT

These people are disgusting...not one word about cutting spending! They will NEVER have enough money. And Nelson Cole...you need to resign.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 4:33 pm EDT

There will be an announcement at the Liberty Rally on Saturday in Mayodan from a candidate who is going to run against Nelson Cole.

http://rockgop.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/patriotic-rally-set-for-saturday...

Thomas G Smothers Jr

July 22, 2009 - 7:46 am EDT

When are the people of North Carolina going to wake up!!! We already have the highest taxes of almost any state, people are suffering and having to make personal sacrifices while our Democrat controlled legislature just keep on "Porking"! They pretend that there isn't enough money to keep the prisons open or to pay teachers....baloney!!!! They could fire half of those do nothing bureaucrats in Raleigh and they would never be missed!!

Paul J

July 22, 2009 - 7:52 am EDT

We, the people keep electing the same idiots into office. They have no clue about how to manage anything except getting re-elected. Good for them but shame on us.
Look at what we have created.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 8:36 am EDT

After a successful rally on April 15, all regional patriots are called for a follow-up on Saturday, July 25, 7:00 PM at the old Washington Mills bridge in Mayodan (intersection of NC 135 and business US 220). The event’s patriotic theme is Liberty: Provide, Protect, Preserve.

“We all need to unite against government gone out of control,” said Wayne Sexton, chairman of the Rockingham County Republican Party. “There must be a way to hold our government accountable. This is a place to start; let’s come together to make our voices heard.”

The brief rally will feature candidates for upcoming elections including Bill Randall the newly emerged challenger to Brad Miller (D – District 13) and all of Rockingham County’s elected Republican officials.

Directions: If you come up US 220 from GSO, take exit for NC 135 (you can see WalMart and McMichael High School) and turn left. You will dead end into the site.

This link for a map= http://tinyurl.com/mlpy4g

Call Carla at 643-5764 for more info.

Learn more at www.rockgop.com.

Panacea

July 22, 2009 - 8:42 am EDT

The GOP has lost all credibility with me. While I also believe the state has too many chiefs and not enough indians, the Republicans constant whining and failure to lead by proposing workable solutions has completely turned me off.

I said months ago taxes were going to go up and no one believed me.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 9:19 am EDT

If you look at my blog at www.jeffreysykes.com you can browse a list of proposals put forth by Sen. Berger and Rep. Stam, our Republican leaders in the legislature, since the current general assembly began. They don't get much ink here, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

bigwill

July 22, 2009 - 10:26 am EDT

Panacea, Democrats have no leg to stand on either. Just look at what they have done in the past and present. All they want to do is raise taxes and nothing to show from it. As a matter of fact Democrats are the reason why we are in the situation we are in now. The laws and regulations they put in place years ago are now coming back to haunt them.

tonymo

July 22, 2009 - 11:07 am EDT

Folks, please disregard anything that Panacea says, as he/she lives off the taxpayers, and thinks that none of this disaster is Obama's or the Demo-Rats fault. Panacea is blinded by ideolgoy,and believes that he/she will be immune from the coming disaasters that will be the result of massive spending and taxing by Demo-Rats.

Panacea lives off the taxpayer so supports any tax increase, even during a time, recession, when even a first year economicas student knows that raising taxes is the last thing to do.

Obama has taken a bad situation and made it mcuh worse. He tols us during the campaign that thsi was the worst economy since the depression, and only he, the Messiah could fix it. He said his administratiomn would "hit the ground running." He rushed through an ill-advised "emergecny stimulus" plan that NO ONE read before voting on it.
One of his economic advisors, Lawrency Summers tolds us we would begin to see results "immediately."

Now, 6 months later we're seeing the results. Two million more jobs lost, nd less than 10% of the "emergency" stimulus money spent, mostly to help states pay their out of control Medicaid spending. We were told that if the stimulus was passed unemployment would top out at 8%, and but if we did NOTHING it would go to 9.5% How did that work out. This bill had nothing to do with creating jobs, if it did more than ONE percent would have been targeted to small business which created 60-80% of jobs. While the private secotor has lost millions of jobs, the useless government has added jobs. That my friends, is the path to Socialism!

bigwill

July 22, 2009 - 11:40 am EDT

Yeah, wait until the end of the year when taxes are due. People are going to be pissed when they realize they have had their Federal Witholding minimized in order to receive this stimilus plan. Guess what people your going to get slammed in 2010 for taxes, but hey, no one wanted to listen.

rmacz

July 22, 2009 - 4:28 pm EDT

So I guess you and the country are better off, since Bev and Barry took over. What a joke!

RonaldusMagnus

July 22, 2009 - 9:36 am EDT

This is what we get when we put DEMOCRATS in total control. Raising taxes in this economy is ludicrous. We have had tax increases almost every year over the last 10 years and what has it accomplished. This state is now one of the highest taxed states in the country and our unemployment and economy is among the worst. High taxes do not work. Just look at CA and NY. People and business will flee this state which is what I plan to do if things do not change.

dfayers

July 22, 2009 - 10:24 am EDT

1. This recession was ushered in by Republicans (Bush, et al.), who were absent from the table when banking regulation went lax.

2. There is always talk about cutting waste, but nobody ever, EVER mentions specifics. That's because education, law enforcement, and social services are already operating on insufficient funding. Whether we like it or not, the state has a responsibility to provide for law enforcement, education, and other vital services. If this is not paid for with tax revenue, it will be paid for by increased crime, dismal educational attainment, and brain drain. It is irresponsible to push the costs onto our children though disinvestment in education.

3. State employees are getting salary cuts, teachers are getting dismissed from their classrooms, and needed law enforcement officers are not being hired.

ravencottage

July 22, 2009 - 10:58 am EDT

So tell us all what percentage of your income would you be happy having the government forcibly confiscate from your income...50% 60% 70% 80% 90% 100%?

dfayers

July 22, 2009 - 11:54 am EDT

I drive on state funded roads and highways. State highway patrol protects me from crime. I don't have children in public schools, but my doctor received her education from a state university. The engineers who designed our bridges and highways most likely completed their degrees at NC State. Most importantly, education is paramount for a democratic society. We rely on these services, and the state has a responsibility to provide them. It is irresponsible to use them and refuse to pay your fair share. I have lived in a country where taxes are nearly non-existent and these services are not provided. Only the rich can escape this type of system unscathed. Unless you want to hire your own security force, educate your own doctors and engineers, and watch democracy fade to fascism, you have a responsibility to pass down this democracy to the next generation in a way you received it. That ain't free! The anti-tax folks out there remind me of dine-and-dashers. They savor the meal and run out before paying the check.

GSOGUY1

July 22, 2009 - 11:33 am EDT

OK, a specific. Look at the front page of the N&R website. In the recent headline box, there is an article reading that UNCCH spends more on administrators than they do on teachers in the classroom. Is it oo much to ask that we pay teachers more on ALL levels than we do to administrators? The only group that can change that is the democratically controlled General Assembly. The irony of those two articles being up at the same time is outstanding.

dfayers

July 22, 2009 - 12:00 pm EDT

The UNC Chapel Hill study relied on a narrow definition of administrators. Registrars, admissions specialists, residential educators, academic advisors, and many other professionals were labeled administrators. I am all for appointing more faculty, but the university cannot function without these specialists, and faculty cannot focus on educational excellence if they are forced to tend to these functions. As with most things, the devil is in the details. This study was conducted by consultants who are experts in businesses, but colleges and universities are different. Corporations don't have registrars, etc. They fail to see how these specialists contribute to the educational process.

GSOGUY1

July 22, 2009 - 12:25 pm EDT

you asked for a specific, and I gave you one. Then you disagreed with my specific. Hmmmm. OK, let's try a different angle.

I understand that government has a responsibility to provide basic services to the populace. I also agree with you that among these services is education, law enforcement, and transportation services.

With that being said, according to the Universities' OWN ADMISSION, they found at least twelve million dollars that could be eliminated from their annual budget. Yes, in a two billion dollar budget that's not a big percentage, but it IS a big impact number in relations to others costs, specifically the teacher and other state employee cuts you mention above. How many of those jobs could be saved by reduction of this wasteful spending?

You can't simply write this off to "consultants" who are "experts in business" but who dont understand the university culture. You seem to be trying to defend processes and waste even the University Chancellor isnt. Seriously, over 1/2 of the supervisors oversee three or less people? Over half?????

Mark Binker

July 22, 2009 - 10:58 am EDT

Folks:

I'm enjoying the discussion here this morning. However, I do have one small request:

We would much rather our comments section not become a billboard for political events. There are other venues where that sort of information can be posted. To be clear: this request applies to events left, right and otherwise.

For right now, we're going to leave this one comment up, but would ask that users avoid similar posts in the future.

Thanks for your help.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 12:03 pm EDT

Mark: Is your request covered in the sites TOS? Also, when your print product fails to include a duly submitted event for the calendar, don't you think folks should be able to link to the item on other blog posts?

Isn't cross linking the point?

Mark Binker

July 22, 2009 - 12:48 pm EDT

Jeffrey:

No, this is not something covered in the terms of service. However, if it continues, we will strongly consider adding it.

Without knowing how you submitted the event and to whom, I can't say why it didn't run. You certainly didn't send it to me. Regardless, no, there's no obligation on our part to allow comments to become polluted.

We provide the comment section for discussion and I don't think other users should be forced to wade through what are essentially advertisements. Also, in direct repose to your post - I had two groups inquire if they could do something similar and you would not agree with the events and ideas they're advertising.

I don't think it would be useful for anyone if the comments section simply became a place for groups to flog their latest news release.

So I'm asking you to be respectful, if not of the site of your fellow users.

Thanks.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 2:23 pm EDT

I can understand your request. I just wanted to inquire about the TOS.

I don't get caught up in what others want to do, I just take responsibility for my actions.

It does seem to me that you all will be quite busy if you go around deleting comments that don't violate your TOS.

My perspective, and experience with guerrilla marketing, tells me to take advantage of whatever free marketing opportunities exist to spread the message I want spread.

It can't possibly "pollute" GNR comments any worse than the invective hurled about on a daily basis.

Mark Binker

July 22, 2009 - 2:59 pm EDT

Jeff,

We're not here to facilitate your guerrilla marketing efforts. The comments section is here so that folks can talk about the topic at hand. I think that's pretty clear.

But at the end of the day, I don't need you to understand my request. I need you comply with it and understand that if I see similar comments in the future, I will take them down.

Thanks.

Michael Grossman

July 22, 2009 - 4:09 pm EDT

Jeff, your last comment was deleted since you resorted to name calling and due to bad language. You are welcome to post your thoughts again, just keep it clean.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 4:10 pm EDT

What bad language? You gotta be kidding me? I thought government wanted a nanny state, but newspapers too?

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 4:23 pm EDT

The topic at hand is state taxes and the topic of my initial comment was a rally against taxes, so I think it is related to the topic at hand.

Paul J

July 22, 2009 - 6:51 pm EDT

The News and Fish wrap has gone into the censorship business instead of protecting the 1st amendment.
People should sit back,say nothing and then they will have something to complain about.
America has became a 7 day society, we don't remember anything more than 7 days.

ginnydaley

July 22, 2009 - 11:21 am EDT

Rather than raise taxes, what would you all cut & how much would it save? I'd love to hear some specific ideas. I don't want more taxes either, but I'm a state employee (librarian) and they're already coming after my kind with furloughs, freezes, RIFs, not to mention hacking away at the health insurance. What would put a dent in the budget and not cause a world of hurt somewhere else?

dfayers

July 22, 2009 - 12:05 pm EDT

I am a state employee too, and the furlough took a chunk out of my paycheck. Several colleagues got dismissed from their jobs. The Bush administration thought markets could self-regulate, but we now know different. Markets should be subject to democratic accountabilities. It should no longer be a free-for-all in which Wall Street elites are accountable to no one--especially when their antics result in economic disaster. The economy is recovering, but it will take time. We cannot disinvest in education and wait for things to sort out on their own.

jeffreyhsykes

July 22, 2009 - 2:30 pm EDT

What in the world does Bush admin financial regulation policy have to do with state spending?

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