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Editorial: Say no to friendly skies

Sunday, July 12, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

Greensboro developer Roy Carroll won't be flying local elected officials to Washington on his private jet after all.

The trip, planned for July 7, was scuttled by allegations that it posed a conflict of interest.

Small wonder this trip was more than a passing blip on the public's radar. Rightly or wrongly, corporate jets have become symbols of greed and excess on Wall Street and in North Carolina, where a former governor is in hot water for questionable air travel on private jets ... among other things.

But in this case it's also too bad.

A worthy cause

For one thing, it was for a worthy cause. Community Foundation President Walker Sanders has for months been working on a complex plan to provide a new central office for the Guilford County Schools (at no cost to the schools) in an area that desperately could use new development: South Elm and Lee streets.

The trip would have provided a rare opportunity for Mayor Yvonne Johnson and county commissioners Chairman Melvin "Skip" Alston, among others, to meet with North Carolina's two senators and various congressmen and congressional staffs, all within a few hours. It also presented an opportunity, during tight budgets, to save taxpayer money.

Failing the sniff test?

That may be so, steamed High Point blogger Keith Brown, but this trip "stunk to high heaven."

At issue is the fact that Carroll does business with the city and county governments. He received tax incentives from both entities to help build a new 17-story downtown tower, Center Pointe. Could his generosity with the free flight curry favor for him with elected leaders in the future?

It's a fair question. Yet, in times like these, public-private partnerships are especially valuable and necessary. "If we have private businesses that are willing to help get our elected leaders to a location to bring dollars back to Greensboro, then, by golly, we ought to do it," Sanders said.

There certainly is plenty of precedent for such partnerships in recent years. For instance, the nonprofit economic booster group Action Greensboro footed the bill for jet trips to Oklahoma City for citizens and city leaders in 2002, and Columbus, Ga., and Chattanooga, Tenn., in 2001.

As long as those relationships are up-front and transparent, shouldn't they be permitted for the common good they promote?

In the case of Carroll, yes, he has received incentives and, as a developer, yes, he does periodically come before local boards on zoning matters. But his company is not involved in the South Elm/Lee Street development. "He has no vested interest in what is happening on that site," Sanders said. "All he was trying to do was to be a good citizen."

It's legal; no, it's not

Fleming Bell, who specializes in ethics at the UNC-Chapel Hill School of Government, measured the case against three general statutes in North Carolina on conflicts of interest and found none would have been violated. Carroll was not directly involved in the South Elm project, Bell said, and he was providing the jet but not inviting the passengers or planning the trip -- Assistant City Managers Andy Scott and Denise Turner played those roles. "I tend to think that's enough steps removed from Carroll that you're OK," Bell said.

City Attorney Terry Wood disagrees. "Regardless of what (the School of Government) says, I'm pretty sure I'm right," said Wood, specifically of General Statute 133-32 that forbids any contractor who "has contract with a government agency" or "anticipates bidding on such a contract in the future" to provide gifts to elected officials who decide on such contracts.

"I am sure this is all well-intended," Wood said, "but Roy Carroll is a contractor with the city."

Are good intentions enough?

Does it seem contradictory to say, on the one hand, that government needs partnerships with private business even more in these hard times -- but on the other hand, providing an above-board, well-publicized plane ride for official business is illegal? And could this have a chilling effect on the future partnerships between business and government?

It doesn't have to. As long as the arrangements are sufficiently vetted as legal and ethical before they happen.

Business leaders absolutely should not seek to influence public policy by offering favors to elected officials. But they should and do have the right to be good citizens by donating goods and services to their communities.

As long as they follow the letter of the law.

Getting things done in Greensboro is important. Getting them done right is more important.

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GsoFan

July 12, 2009 - 3:59 am EDT

If this trip was so important, why did they delay it after the concerns about Roy Carroll's role? They simply could have flown commercial. Mr. Sander's should be congratulated for arranging such a high level meeting and I hope it will take place. I'm disappointed that they threw in the towel because alternate travel arrangements weren't to their liking. Did they even check the commercial carriers? Each elected official has a small travel budget and because this meeting was happening after July1 (the beginning of the fiscal year) they had access to that money.

Panacea

July 12, 2009 - 11:25 am EDT

That they couldn't just fly commercial is part of what raises the stink here.

Given all the recent scandals between corporate and public interests, even the appearance of impropriety should be avoided.

A public private partnership didn't need this flight in order for it to be successful. If it did, then the project itself doesn't pass the smell test.

zeus80

July 12, 2009 - 6:46 am EDT

It should be quite clear to everyone that City Attorney Terry Wood's interpretation of NC General Statute 133-32 is absolutely on target! Enough said.

jackhartjj

July 12, 2009 - 12:21 pm EDT

I guess my main question is why are we giving incentives to a man that can afford an airplane! I don't begrudge anyone a plane...however if you have one don't come begging for incentives!

dcolin

July 12, 2009 - 7:29 pm EDT

Are we actually giving him incentives?
Is that a fact?

jackhartjj

July 12, 2009 - 9:10 pm EDT

Read the last paragraph in the third section, it says we did. I remember when they all came up!

triadwatch

July 12, 2009 - 9:14 pm EDT

fact Roy Carroll got over $2 million tax-break incentives from both guilford county and city of greensboro and if you want to see plenty of what has been going with this issue and to hear the from the blogger who said this stinks to high heaven here is the link
http://triadwatch.blogspot.com/2009/07/greensboro-city-attorney-advised....

dcolin

July 12, 2009 - 9:52 pm EDT

Well he looks at it as paying us back with our own money.
These people have no shame.

Remember he is very highly regarded from a very old family.

Look at the Dabbage editorial today.
He is buttering up the foundations and business people that hire him (Urban Geography Consultant)
to write glowing/agreeing reports for them

dcolin

July 12, 2009 - 7:26 pm EDT

I am sure this is all well-intended," Wood said,

I'm not

Illiterati

July 13, 2009 - 9:29 am EDT

Why can't they carpool to DC? Is flying really necessary for every little trip outside the state? Driving would be a heck of a lot cheaper, and it's only about a 5-6 hour drive. Flying would take nearly that long when you factor in driving to PTI and getting there early enough to check in and get through security, then arriving at the DC airport and getting into the city from there.

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