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School board has trouble deciding cuts

Friday, July 10, 2009
(Updated Monday, July 13 - 10:36 am)

Editor's note: This article has been corrected to reflect the number of days that a vote sought to cut the extended year school calendars by.

GREENSBORO — The school board continues to work without a net as it waits for legislators to pass a state budget.

And that tightrope walk grew more daunting this week as the board attempted to zero in on cuts.

“We’ve got to go ahead and make some tentative decisions here, and if finances change that’s great,” said board member Jeff Belton. “We’re at the point where even a few dollars here and there are important as you try to find funds to pay for teachers.”

The board met briefly Thursday to review Superintendent Maurice “Mo” Green’s options for the budget. Over the past several months as first the governor, then the Senate, and finally the House approved their budget proposals, Green and his staff have presented numerous possible budget cuts.

The board approved more than $12.6 million in cuts in May when it submitted its budget request to the county commissioners. Those cuts eliminate teachers, programs and resources.

As the state House began its budget talks, officials estimated the school system could wind up with $40 million less in state funding in 2009-10 than it did this year. That’s when Green and his staff developed even deeper cuts for the board to consider, including eliminating nearly 200 more teaching positions.

The House approved its budget proposal last month and school officials now estimate a $34 million budget shortfall.

With that lower number in mind, Green asked the board what cuts it wants to make.

“These are all things I’d really rather not do,” Green said. “But if we’ve got to get to $34 million, this is how I propose doing them (the cuts), but please understand the repercussions of all of them.”

Despite taking several votes, the school board made little progress deciding on cuts.

“What we had today was what Mr. Green wanted to consider versus what the board wanted to discuss, therefore nothing got done,” said board member Garth Hebert after the meeting.

“We were expecting more meat and we got a lot of pudding. I’d like to see more options, more choices.”

One option that stumped the board was a proposal to move Brooks and Johnson Street global schools from 200-day calendars to the traditional 180-day calendar. Board members debated whether improvements at the schools were attributable to the additional days.

In the end, a motion to remove the option from the list of proposed cuts failed in a 5-5 vote. A vote to cut the school calendars by 5 days also failed.

The board also debated but failed to decide several proposed transportation cuts. Green recommends cutting some bus drivers and consolidating some bus stops, but not adding more routes for any single bus to travel.

The board expressed concerns about how far children might have to walk and how long they might need to wait for the bus.

Nor could the board decide whether to cut the International Baccalaureate program at Smith High School. There are only two students enrolled, and cutting it would save the system $73,500.

Green recommends keeping the program.

If the state budget is better than expected, Green said, money will be returned to items that directly affect schools and students first.

Several board members said the board should consider meeting again before its July 23 meeting so decisions can be made.

Contact J. Brian Ewing at 373-7351 or brian.ewing@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Margaret Baxter (News & Record)

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mamaboilermaker

July 10, 2009 - 7:17 am EDT

"Nor could the board decide whether to cut the International Baccalaureate program at Smith High School. There are only two students enrolled, and cutting it would save the system $73,500."

For crying out loud! Pay somebody to drive the 2 kids to another IB program or send them to college already! Either option is cheaper.

I also want to hear about the huge sacrifices being made by the ADMINISTRATORS themselves. What's that I hear? Silence? I thought so. Sacrifice everything except bureaucracy, right?

mamaboilermaker

July 10, 2009 - 8:02 am EDT

Let me point out that there are cheaper ways for high school kids to get college credit. They can study independently for CLEP tests, for example, which cost about $80 each to take and earn 3-8 college credits apiece, depending upon the subject and the college one ultimately attends. One could get some older edition textbooks at a used book store for a few bucks. That makes the per-credit cost less than even GTCC.

Of course, government is incapable of thinking this way, because they are spending other people's money and don't have to care except for a few months before elections.

angie123

July 10, 2009 - 7:36 am EDT

"A vote to cut the school calendars to 115 days also failed."

WHAT??????

I thought there was a state law that students had to be in school at least 180 days??? Is Guilford County allowed to change that???????

This must be wrong.

Brian Ewing

July 13, 2009 - 10:39 am EDT

Angie,

The motion was to cut the Brooks and Johnson Street global schools' calendars by 5 days. I've corrected it in the story and will have a correction in Tuesday's edition.

I apologize for the mistake.

JustMy2Cents

July 10, 2009 - 7:37 am EDT

Cutting IB at Smith should be a given. Why do we need IB at Page AND Grimsley as well? They are a hop, skip, and a jump apart. If they want IB, send them to Grimsley or HPC like they did for years! Adding the additional IB programs was a waste of money to begin with! How about some of this crazy testing. . . can we cut that???? All these benchmarks every 6 weeks. . it could save all that paper and copying costs!!!

Huck9

July 10, 2009 - 7:47 am EDT

The vote actually was to cut the school calendars of the affected schools to 195 days instead of 115. They should have cut them back to 180 days like the rest of the schools. This is nothing more than an expensive babysitting service for a few select parents.

ilvteaching

July 10, 2009 - 9:12 am EDT

Actually, the proposal was to take one week off the end off school in June, reducing the number of school days from 180 to 175. All teachers, principals and school staff would have taken a 2.5% pay cut. personally, I thought that was a better way to save money than laying off teachers, but to my knowledge it never even got to a vote in the State Senate.
IB should be dropped at Smith and Page (it should never have been approved at Page to begin with).

igliigli

July 10, 2009 - 8:21 am EDT

The first cuts should be sports and all entertainment positions. The students are there to learn, not to be entertained.

tatestreet

July 10, 2009 - 9:25 am EDT

When you watch or listen to an orchestra performance, YOU are being entertained. When you watch a football game or swim meet, YOU are being entertained. However, the students who are doing the performing have learned how taking part in orchestra and band can help them with geometry, algebra, history and language. The visual art students have learned how drawing helps with math and how learning spacial relations play a role and could lead to a career in architecture.
Students who take part in sports learn about leadership and creating goals and becoming part of a team, which, by-the-way, are essential characteristics to becoming successful in most professions.

YOU are being entertained by what these students LEARN from the arts and sports.

DaveW

July 10, 2009 - 3:19 pm EDT

Good points tatestreet! Also is igligli an acronym for I've got lousy ideas I've got lousy ideas? Sorry about the earlier typo?

dcolin

July 10, 2009 - 8:35 pm EDT

"Students who take part in sports learn about leadership and creating goals and becoming part of a team, which, by-the-way, are essential characteristics to becoming successful in most professions"

Where do you get this.
No more or less then lots of other in devours.

In fact as I have quoted before " Sports does not create character it reveals".

Leadership/goals come on. I believe Louisville went 3 or more years without ever graduating
a basketball player

I have no problem with sports just the jerks that glorify it as something special.

Put quite simply most ( not all )college jocks could not qualify if not for sports.

Oh this magic study. If sports is so good for learning why were the qualifications 1.5 GPA

Again sports is recreation. I love em but that is all they are.
Nothing else

DaveW

July 10, 2009 - 3:15 pm EDT

Read both the Overton Study and the Whitley Study from the East Carolina University School of Education.These 2 studies from ECU PhD candidates justifies the case for high school athletics in North Carolina. These studies were taken from ONLY North Carolina Public High Schools. Keep in mind also that ECU has always been a great producer of public school teachers in this state. By the way is igliigli an acronym for I've got lousy ideas I've got lousy ides?

dcolin

July 10, 2009 - 6:15 pm EDT

School of education.

That says it all.

rightwingnemesis

July 10, 2009 - 11:07 am EDT

The school board is nothing but a forum for long winded people to try and hog the spotlight...Cooke, Routh, and Garrett are the worst! Routh wants to re-run the numbers as she can't imagine anyone but her getting it right. Cooke is just a narcissist who has no idea what is going on--but stands ready to be at your ribbon cutting when called! Garrett is a one note violin who cares ONLY about her beloved Northwest part of Guilford County. Spinkle in some ignorance (Jeff Belton) and you have enough nuts to make a fruitcake. Nothing will change until we the people change the school board.

angie123

July 10, 2009 - 11:09 am EDT

Regarding the IB program at Smith: The question is not only how many students are enrolled, but how many have actually GRADUATED from Smith with an IB diploma. I think the number is close to zero.

Not to mention, are there actually IB teachers there with classrooms of 10 or less????? My kids have 35 students in some of their classes (high school).

dcolin

July 10, 2009 - 1:45 pm EDT

Excellent Point

Smith needs IB like a hole in the head

DaveW

July 10, 2009 - 3:20 pm EDT

The Smith IB kids going to Grimsley would add 2 young teachers to GCS with the money saved.

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