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Bonds sale may be used to help hotel

Wednesday, July 8, 2009
(Updated 5:24 am)

Greensboro might sell bonds to help finance a $75 million hotel on South Elm Street, but not before the hotel’s developers make a strong case that they’ll make enough money to pay back the loans.

Such a project “provides its own revenue stream to pay that debt down,” said Andy Scott, assistant city manager and economic developer. “The revenue stream has to be supported by a market study. It’s the same thing that a bank or investors look at.”

Bridget Chisholm, a Memphis businesswoman with ties to Greensboro, is assembling investors and executives to develop a 300-room full-service hotel at South Elm and Lee streets in the South Elm Street redevelopment area.

The city owns 10 acres in the blighted neighborhood that it cleaned up and plans to sell later this year to bring economic growth to the area.

Chisholm has presented a broad plan to Scott that could work as a private venture financed with public bonds, Scott said Tuesday.

The city’s cost to borrow this money for the bonds is cheaper than ever, Scott said, because the federal stimulus package has offered to refund 45 percent of the interest cities pay to fund the bonds if they go to projects in so-called “Recovery Zones.”

North Carolina laws still apply, however, so Chisholm’s project would have to qualify through city review as any other local revenue-bond project would, Scott said.

Such partnerships are common, Scott said. For example, many cities build industrial sites through revenue bonds, then sell the sites to businesses to repay the bonds.

Such bonds are more flexible than general obligation bonds, he said. General obligation bonds require voter approval first because the city fully backs them with its assets.

The $75 million cost of the hotel could easily overwhelm the amounts of the newly discounted bonds allocated to Greensboro from the federal government, Scott said. In that event, city officials could ask the state to give it allocations not being used by other cities.

Meanwhile, a nonprofit group, Gate City Co., is working to find a private developer to build a central office complex for Guilford County Schools across South Elm from the hotel site.

Although the project is not likely to use bonds, members of Gate City are working with city and county officials to coordinate the project.

Mayor Yvonne Johnson, Guilford County commission Chairman Melvin “Skip” Alston, Chisholm, Scott and several others were scheduled to go to Washington on Tuesday to talk about the projects with congressional representatives.

The trip was canceled after some city residents complained to Gate City’s parent, the Community Foundation of Greater Greensboro, about developer Roy Carroll’s plan to fly the group to Washington in his private plane.

Foundation President Walker Sanders said the trip is still crucial, and he is working on a new schedule.

Scott said he will stay involved in the complex process.

“At this point there’s still so many moving pieces,” Scott said. “And we are just trying to move very carefully to make sure we cross our t’s and dot our i’s.”


Contact Richard M. Barron at 373-7371 or richard.barron@news-record.com

Accompanying Photos

Photo Caption: An artist’s rendering from mid-2009 shows the proposed hotel project.

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Norm*

July 8, 2009 - 7:29 am EDT

How about we put business development on a 1 to 10 scale. Honda Jet being a 10 and Dell computer being a 1. There has to be some kind of ratio between public investment and quality of job (pay rate and retention) that can be utilized. I'd say this "development", with its multiple layers of BS and the quality of jobs it will create rates somewhere near .75 (low pay, no benefits for workers, high gov't subsidy - we are talking hospitality workers). At least they're being up front about the junket to D.C. You'd think that having to lobby to get this moving would be the first warning sign.

Don Stowe

July 8, 2009 - 11:14 am EDT

I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. When I first saw an account of this hotel/school building scheme I knew that it would be another device to take more tax money from the people. Spend, spend, is the mantra of those in power. Does anyone remember Royal Villa Hotel?

If there is a shortage of hotel rooms (which there is not) they could take some of the vacant apartment units in Greensboro and rent them out by the night.

tennischum

July 8, 2009 - 11:22 am EDT

While I would like to see this project fly, it would be nice to see a more contemporary design to add to the skyline (or lack thereof).

tledford

July 8, 2009 - 8:51 pm EDT

Haven't you heard the latest plan for the skyline? Since they don't have a 90%-plus occupancy rate, all the buildings over three stories tall (except for the Lincoln Financial Building and Centre Pointe) are going to be imploded between 1/1/2010 and 12/31/2011. This includes the "First Union Tower" (is it still called that) and "Renaissance Plaza" as well as the "Southern Life Building," the "Southeast Building," the "Guilford Building" and the "Southern Bank Building."

That is the only thing Greensboro really does well: tearing down and/or ignoring and/or shying from and/or freaking out about its history.

This is why it has dropped from the 38th-fastest-growing-city in the US to the 45th-fastest-growing-city.

This is why it will, in the next decade or so, drop from the third-largest-city in NC to the fourth-largest-city (behind Durham).

This is why good-paying jobs will continue to grow more and more scarce in Greensboro.

This is why the average age of a Greensboro resident will be 78 by 2020.

uncwgm

July 8, 2009 - 11:52 am EDT

Yep, I knew this was gonna be another one of those taxpayer funded "programs...what a JOKE!

Illiterati

July 8, 2009 - 11:58 am EDT

I recently watched a BBC adaptation of Trollope's excellent novel "The Way We Live Now." Right after viewing the final episode, this hotel scheme popped up in the news, with the N&R practically salivating in its promotion of it.

I can't help but marvel at the similarities between the scheming Melmotte swindling the local land-rich/cash-poor gentry out of their money for a bogus railroad project and this Bridget person swindling the local Greensboro gentry (and taxpayers) for a whimsical hotel project. Nobody knew much about Melmotte, just as we really don't know much about this Bridget, but both casts of characters are all too willing to shower these charismatic strangers with money they don't have.

How much you wanna bet Bridget gets her money, and then suddenly finds the project unfeasible, leaving us broker than before? I'll bet you a railroad to Mexico.

Don Stowe

July 8, 2009 - 12:54 pm EDT

The day is coming when the taxpayers will have to assume payment for the Downtown Ball Park,Center City Park, Alston-Jones Museum. and several other boondoggles that were sold as "no cost to taxpayers."

The people responsible for these schemes, including the City Council, should ask themselves, "Honestly, would I put my personal money into this idea?" I bet you would see some rats leaving the sinking ship in a hurry. Are you aware that there is another multi-million dollar bond issue proposed for the November election?

There is no good reason why Greensboro has to be as big as Charlotte or Raleigh. They have their own troubles.

tledford

July 8, 2009 - 8:54 pm EDT

Twenty-nine years ago, Greensboro was larger than Raleigh.

holland4

July 8, 2009 - 2:45 pm EDT

Ms. Chisholm has had various endeavors. She was a former Shelby (TN) County Commissioner. She has a event planning business (www.bccplanning.com), a financial consulting firm (www.bwcconsulting.com), and, of course, a hotel development group (www.urbanhotelgroup.com). On the hotel end of things, she's working with Marlon Phoenix (www.rpdhotels.com). I'm not sure what her ties to Greensboro involve other than graduating from WF and being hired by Bennett College to work on refinancing their debt from what I understand. Interesting stuff. I wish them luck if they can manage to pull it off without using my money.

Illiterati

July 8, 2009 - 5:32 pm EDT

I looked at her firm's website, and it appears that what she's good at is getting other people's money either for herself or for the boondoggles of others. There isn't much that's concrete (pun intended) about her experience, just a lot of buzzwords and moving money around. And it doesn't take much to be a county commissioner considering how many there usually are and how few people typically run for those positions. Looks good on a resume though when you're wrangling taxpayer dollars out of starry-eyed yokels.

holland4

July 8, 2009 - 3:32 pm EDT

This sort of reminds me of the Simpson's Monorail episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xGtjhZ_Yg

"But Main Street's still all cracked and broken."
"Sorry, mom. The mob has spoken."
"Monorail...monorail...monorail..."

NobodyReally

July 8, 2009 - 4:12 pm EDT

I am getting real sick of seeing development projects put their hand out for my money and my representatives giving it to them over my objections. What will be the benefit to me in this project? There will be few jobs created, and the ones created will be mostly low paying. Will the increase in property value, and resulting tax revenues, make up for how much I will pay in my own taxes being increased to pay for the interest on the bonds? How can our elected representatives continue to justify raising my taxes for corporate welfare?? If we are such an attractive city to do business in, then why do I have to pay the businesses to come here? City Council told Wal-Mart no and they still completed the project. We told the electronics manufacturing (I forget the name) yes and we lost. Stop it!

tuffi

July 8, 2009 - 4:55 pm EDT

We do not need another hotel. We have several BIG hotels and they are not utilized. Where they plan to put this hotel is a big risk. Put the bond money to another use.

holland4

July 8, 2009 - 8:27 pm EDT

I'd be interested in seeing the market research that has convinced investors and local officials that this is a feasible project. >>> Let's see the pro forma. <<<

tledford

July 8, 2009 - 8:39 pm EDT

The best solution to all this so-called "downtown development" is to level everything south of Fisher and north of Lee, west of Murrow and east of Spring.

I would recommend a low-yield nuclear device, but we must be forewarned that perhaps an additional 100,000 people will eventually succumb to disease resulting from the fallout and residual radiation.

Then in a few thousand years, once radiation has subsided to a non-lethal level, we could build yet another suburban community in what was once the center of Greensboro and ensure that only right-wing Republicans are elected to the City Council and County Commissioners from that new district. No doubt we'll raise taxes to do that, however.

tledford

July 8, 2009 - 9:01 pm EDT

To quote Senator Rawlings from "Finian's Rainbow:"

"Back, you crackpots. Forward, America. Forward to the hallowed principles of our forefathers. Forward to the sweet tranquillity of the status quo. Forward -- to yesterday!"

Norm*

July 8, 2009 - 9:13 pm EDT

not sure which direction your sarcasm is going. In the very recent past our government has been pushing the privatization of gov't services while letting infrastructure crumble. If letting infrastructure crumble and reducing services or making them for profit is progress, I'm confused. This isn't progress, this is flim flam, lies, BS, you find the name for it you like, but is sure isn't progress, this is US, YOU, ME and every other taxpayer stuffing money in SOMEONE elses POCKET. Figure it out, unless you're on the dole too or are lookin' to get one of them fancy good payin' hotel jobs carryin' outta towners bags up to their rooms.

tledford

July 8, 2009 - 9:48 pm EDT

Just a comment on so many Greensburgers' state-of-mind, Stormin'. I'm very happily and remuneratively employed, thanks, but only because I live in Greensboro and work for a company located in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.

If it weren't for that, in my field, I'd have no choice but to relocate to the Triangle. Just no technology jobs in the Triad.

Don Stowe

July 8, 2009 - 9:54 pm EDT

If only we could go back a ways and correct some of the mistakes in our local governments. I came to Greensboro to live in 1964. I was impressed by the quality of the persons running the city and county. This was a nice, pleasant, place to live with a bearable tax structure and minimun interference from government.

Then the makeup of the boards was enlarged and soon became populated by incompetents. Self serving politicians and real estate people took over the government.

Quality of life in Greensboro/Guilford County has gone to hell in a handbasket.

holland4

July 8, 2009 - 10:18 pm EDT

This trend isn't peculiar to Greensboro. Blogs and newspapers are filled with similar complaints from every city and every state. For nearly fifty years, our country has promoted incompetence as a virtue and dependence upon the Nanny State as a way of life. The idealistic ne'er-do-wells of the 60s and 70s are now department heads, mayors, and commissioners in most city halls, courthouses, and state office buildings across the country.

nclawkid

July 9, 2009 - 12:43 am EDT

I think the city is doing the right thing by considering public investment for this area of town. I hope the project moves forward, although I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing some architectural adjustments to the proposed look.

hopperfan

July 9, 2009 - 10:56 am EDT

I agree. I think this project should move forward. I don't see what all this big fuss is about. Nobody really complained when Roy Carroll got incentives to build his Center Pointe tower. As soon as a project of this scope is planned "south of the tracks" near minority neighborhoods, then we have a problem. This hotel project will only improve the area the way Southside has done. Southside has helped change the perception of the area and now we have upper middle class/ affluent white people living on Martin Luther King Jr Dr. So I have faith a luxury hotel can succeed at lee and South Elm St. I also think the hotel could be redesigned to something that has an industrial warehouse look to fit the surroundings. It doesnt have too look like a European palace to be luxurious. Some say its a questionable location for the hotel. I say its the perfect location because its downtown and its just down the road from the coliseum.

Don Stowe

July 9, 2009 - 11:35 am EDT

Don't count your chickens yet. The city has not gotten any return on that investment yet and there is no guarantee there will be a return. Oh, there was opposition to the incentives as there should be for all expenditure of public funds for private purposes

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