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Decision in Ricci case will affect local hiring

Thursday, July 2, 2009
(Updated 3:00 am)

It’s a good thing Charles Davenport admits in his June 28 column about Judge Sotomayor and the Ricci case that his childishly transparent story about reverse discrimination is fiction.

Indeed, the entire column is fictional in its complaint about a form of discrimination that every study indicates does not exist.

It is still far easier in the United States to get a job and get promoted if you are a white male rather than a minority.

Nor is it true that Sotomayor “curtly dismissed” Ricci’s complaint.

The opinion of the three-judge panel of the U.S. Second Circuit was unsigned and unanimous. Since it upheld the lower court’s ruling, it is now the case that all four judges who heard the facts decided to allow New Haven to make its own employment decisions and to reject the results of an obviously flawed test.

Sotomayor and her colleagues all practiced judicial restraint by refusing to tell a municipality how it had to proceed in making promotions.

Allowing such discretion for local governments used to be a conservative axiom.

Now that the Supreme Court has reversed it, as Davenport hoped, it shows that the conservative majority wants to actively impose its ideology on local city hiring.

Kevin Smith
Reidsville

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zeus80

July 2, 2009 - 5:11 am EDT

Kevin, the last sentence of your letter seems very logical to me. Good letter.

mamaboilermaker

July 2, 2009 - 6:17 am EDT

Has anyone found a flaw in the test other than that the test did not correct for skin color or ethnicity? Exactly how did this test discriminate except to determine who prepared best for the test?

mamaboilermaker

July 2, 2009 - 6:23 am EDT

We know, of course, that the liberal minority has NEVER sought to impose anything on anybody. That's why this congress is such a model of restraint?? That's why the president feels too constrained by the Constitution??

neocon

July 2, 2009 - 7:06 am EDT

I totally agree, Mr. Smith. With every other institution in the country getting dumbed down and mediocrity now being accepted as the new norm in the name of fairness, why should the Baltimore Fire Dept. be any different? If the rest of the country can accept the fact that some of us may have to be burned to death in a house fire in order to dispel this notion that the same test given to two people is 'fair', the people of Baltimore can too.

danagain

July 2, 2009 - 6:53 am EDT

"...it is now the case that all four judges who heard the facts decided to allow New Haven to make its own employment decisions and to reject the results of an obviously flawed test."

Who said the test was "obviously flawed" or did Kevin Smith simply make up this "fact" on his own?

BTW, Kevin. The city of New Haven had a contract with the firefighters union and this contract spelled out that this test, both written and oral, was the basis of the promotion. This has nothing to do with a conservative majority wanting to impose their ideology, IT WAS IN THEIR CONTRACT.

The only reason the city reneged on the promotions was the fear of being sued by the black firefighters. Well that decision sure backfired.

Good for those firefighters to fight for what is right. They proved their merit according to the contract and should have been promoted according to the terms of the contract. This case is Exhibit A of what can happen when feel good diversity advocates attempt to trump individual merit in the name of diversity.

firerescuechick

July 2, 2009 - 7:06 am EDT

Thank you, Dan. You took the words right out of my mouth. Firefighting is a job that has A LOT of risks. If you can't cut it, you shouldn't get that promotion; regardless of your skin color. Lives are at risk, and even more so when you become an officer.

firerescuechick

July 2, 2009 - 7:09 am EDT

Oh, and Kevin, remember that when fire departments start promoting people that don't cut it, and can't handle the requirements of the job, that it's your home on the line. It's your family on the line. I'm not going to assume that you give a damn about the firefighters' lives, but are you willing to risk your own family when someone doesn't cut it? Think about that.

J Peterman Reality Tour

July 2, 2009 - 8:30 am EDT

High Five that . . . I want the best working that position . . . not some affirmative action afterbirth wannabe with every half bit Jesus Reverend in his pocket yo yo yo'n discrimination working the line . . .

left-wing conspiracy theorist

July 2, 2009 - 7:02 am EDT

Excellent letter Mr. Smith. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone capable of rational thought debunked Davenport on this. I could have, I suppose, but I didn't know all the details of the decision in question, and was far too lazy to do the research.
I think Davenport came up with the names of every one of Bush's programs: the plan which allowed for more air pollution was the 'Clear Skies Act', the plan to dismantle the public school system was 'No Child Left Behind', the slogan for the debacle in Iraq was 'Mission Accomplished'.
Davenport is like Bizzarro from the Superman comics. His reality is the exact mirror opposite of the reality the rest of us live in. If Davenport tells me it's going to be hot and sunny tomorrow, I'm digging out my snow shovel and wearing my boots. I could go on, but even Lefties have to go to work in the morning...

tim tribbett

July 2, 2009 - 8:14 am EDT

"a form of dicrimination that does not exist" is untrue. If the white firefighter performed best on a test that was prepared especially to be non discriminatory and they did not receive the promotions they earned they were discriminated against solely because of their race. This is wrong and you know it. Even ultra liberal ginsberg said in her dissent that you must have more than statistics to prove a test is discrimanatory.Promotions should be based on merit not the color of someones skin. How someone could defend the absolute racism of sotomayors decision baffles me.I have a feeling that Kevin wouldn't mind the court imposing it's idealogy on local hiring if it agreed with his own ideology. What a letter full on garbage.

tim tribbett

July 2, 2009 - 8:28 am EDT

Danagain has a good point.What evidence do you have that this test was flawed ?The lack of performance by certain racial groups does not mean in itself that a test is flawed.It's my understanding that this test was prepared especially to be non biased. Liberals don't want equal opportunity for all races they want equal outcomes and that is wrong.

ghost from white oak

July 2, 2009 - 8:30 am EDT

Great comment Mr Tribbett, however, this does not fit into the lefts class envy and class warfare.

tledford

July 2, 2009 - 8:41 pm EDT

What "class envy" and "class warfare?" How does that apply to the right, which has no class whatsoever? :-)

J Peterman Reality Tour

July 2, 2009 - 8:36 am EDT

HURRAY FOR WHITE PEOPLE WHO STOOD UP FOR THEMSELVES . . . AND DIDN'T ALLOW REVERSE DISCRIMINATION ON THIER WATCH . . . SOMEONE SHOULD ISSUE A STATEMENT OF "REGRET" FROM THE "OTHER" COMMUNITY . . . FOR THESE WRONGS SUFFERED BY THE WHITE FIREMEN . . . IT'S ONLY FAIR.

truth

July 2, 2009 - 9:17 am EDT

I guess the SAT is flawed as well.

It's an insult to blacks to insinuate that they aren't able to perform as well on a standardized test as whites. What could possibly be on this test that would make it harder for blacks to pass?

zeus80

July 2, 2009 - 11:05 am EDT

Kevin, never mind what the conservative "naysayers" say here; next time (with a new court appointee) the count may again be 5-4, in favor of the "yeasayers!" Much to the chagrin of the "naysayers," of course! Naysayers just don't seem to understand anything practical these days. do they?

danagain

July 2, 2009 - 4:24 pm EDT

"Naysayers just don't seem to understand anything practical these days. do they?"

Yeah, I guess the contract between the union and the city doesn't matter if the city didn't get the "desired" outcome eh?

BTW zeus, your writing style is quite trumanesque, sans insults of course. I noticed you have been absent for a long time and all of a sudden you are back right after truman gets banned by the N&R. Hmmmm. If you are truman, be nice from now on. If not, my apologies in advance.

zeus80

July 2, 2009 - 6:32 pm EDT

danagain, my writing style "quite trumanesque?" Please explain. And who is/was truman? President Truman? Just curious to know. Thanks.

danagain

July 2, 2009 - 7:40 pm EDT

Just lay off "wingnut" and "golly" and you'll be fine zeus.

danagain

July 2, 2009 - 7:41 pm EDT

BTW, you didn't answer my question regarding the contract between the City of New Haven and the firefighters union. OK to break a contract because the results were undesirable?

zeus80

July 2, 2009 - 9:11 pm EDT

danagain, I'm sorry. wingnut? golly? contract? trumanesque? I really don't know what you're talking about. I believe you may have me confused with someone else. And I must say you haven't been very polite about it. But you have a nice evening anyway.

danagain

July 2, 2009 - 9:55 pm EDT

Margaret Truman, Harry & Bess's only child was a babe indeed. Just died last year at the ripe age of 83.

Contract? Yeah, I knew you couldn't answer that question tru...I mean zeus. BTW, you used the word wingnut in another thread today, although it was in response to catfish. So no innocent question mark there for you either.

And I'm always polite.

I remember when Demon Deacon switched his name, it was too easy to pick up. Time will tell, perhaps I 'm wrong, we'll see.

tledford

July 2, 2009 - 8:43 pm EDT

danagain was referring to Margaret Truman, he's a big fan.

trabun

July 2, 2009 - 5:52 pm EDT

"obviously flawed test"
Basketball at most high schools must be a racist game since most whites do not make the team even though whites outnumber blacks in America 6:1.
In fact, all sports are racist since the makeup of sports teams do not properly include white players. It *must* be discrimination when white players do not make the team, as I am sure Kevin Smith would agree.

tledford

July 2, 2009 - 8:45 pm EDT

And since 1/6th of Congress isn't black, it should immediately be dissolved and instead Obama, Joe Biden, Al Franken, Steve Arnold and I should run the country for the next twenty years (hang in there, Joe!).

:-)

busdoc

July 3, 2009 - 8:45 pm EDT

The fact is, we have been lowering the bar for years in the interests of "ethic" diversity. It started in our schools and is now being projected into the workplace. Instead of crying for people who do not or refuse to meet the requirements, why not celebrate our minority citizens who are the achievers and leaders in society. There are many outstanding minority citizens who have earned and deserve our respect and accolades.

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